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Any Coco teks without coffee?
    #11028070 - 09/09/09 03:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I've been searching my butt off...
Anyone got a coco tek that doesn't use coffee grinds?

And the first person to tell me to just use coffee grinds gets a zero rating. The first one to give me a good tek that doesn't use coffee gets 5 shroomies!

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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: The Centre]
    #11028083 - 09/09/09 03:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Just use no coffee, it is not required

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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: ck5]
    #11028090 - 09/09/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

In fact if you search the grow log section, I know there are many 100% coir logs there.

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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: ck5]
    #11028125 - 09/09/09 03:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'm an idiot for not looking in the logs...
Why didn't it show up in a search?

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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: The Centre]
    #11028211 - 09/09/09 03:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I just did a bulk substrate of coir/verm, gypsum ..... left out the Hpoo to see if it was a possible source of 'green' I have been experiencing.

Wish I had an additional 'nitrogen' source for the bulk .... but I'm going like this.

Maybe you could do a coir/verm, gypsum bulk with a little worm casting or a little bit of chicken manure .....

or mix coir/Hpoo which is my favorite .... just not doing it this time.

Good luck.

ps. when you did the search, did you click on "all forums"?  that might be why it didn't show up.


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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: The Centre]
    #11028234 - 09/09/09 03:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Chicken shit for shrooms? Only been using that for my ganja, never thought it worked for shrooms... Well you learn something new every day!

Edit: BTW I am doing research for my second grow, I am yet to grow PF tek without contaminated wild spores. (My friend BOUGHT fresh shrooms and SOMEHOW got a weak prints off them, and we tried to grow with it. Mainly because his brother was to lazy to take a walk and go pick some shrooms for free! And thus, they didn't even have enough to give me a trip! After I asked them before they went to the Transkei to bring me some. :confused:  Actually though, they did have enough, but his idiot brother took them all and gave some to his slutty girlfriend who didn't even like it! That is AFTER I payed half in advance (I wasn't even supposed to be paying I heard later!), and his brother (my friend, who owned the shrooms.) told him to give some to me. I then proceeded into taking my money back, and (with the help of my friend.) stealing 10g of his homegrown bud. He aint getting any shrooms from me for at least a month after my first flush, I just want to see him WANT them, and not getting them, at least for a little while, then he can get all the shrooms he wants! (Oh, and he agreed to taking 14g dry... His choice, but I'm not holding him back!:rofl:))

Edited by The Centre (09/09/09 03:55 PM)

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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: The Centre]
    #11028463 - 09/09/09 04:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You can add almost any thing to it,  you need to raise the nitrogen level and keep the pH stable.
Horse manure 
Corn Cobs
Poultry manure
Urea
Gypsum
Straw
Worm casing
Blood meal
Bone meal

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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: CH HELL]
    #11028669 - 09/09/09 04:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

CH; Do you ever check your PH mechanically or just trust that the ingredients you use will provide the correct balance?


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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #11028724 - 09/09/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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CH; Do you ever check your PH mechanically or just trust that the ingredients you use will provide the correct balance?





I don't any more because I use the same mixture each time and I know the pH is within the correct levels.  My horse manure/coir/gypsum mix is always between 6-6.7.
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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: CH HELL]
    #11029665 - 09/09/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Just use coffee grounds.
You can rate me a zero for that, or you could explain why you don't want to and let us think about ways to help you accomplish your goals.

As far as coir without coffee, nobody ever used coffee back in the day. Leave it out if you want.
Who cares? It's your grow, grow it any way you like.


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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11029944 - 09/09/09 08:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

My coco buckets have kicked every ass they have ever encountered.  Pure coco, spawned 1:4 with Puerto Rican style popcorn.  Placed in 5 gallon buckets, topped with clear plastic, with 2x2.5" holes (one just above substrate, one towards the top of the bucket, opposite side).

Holes filled with polyfill, substrate depth about 4", no casing.  Coco was pasteurized by pouring the proper amount of boiling water onto bricks.

Once I was ready for fruiting, the polyfill was removed and a decent florescent light placed on top, with a small fan moving air in the grow area and a coolmist keeping the ambient humidity up.  These suckers keep flushing and flushing with monster fruits that are out-of-this world potent. 

Wow.

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    #11029965 - 09/09/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: z_x_x_z]
    #11031884 - 09/10/09 12:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I just pasteurized a batch tonight.

1 gallon of boiling water
1 brick of coir
4 cups of vermiculite
4 cups of black kow manure
(you should know how to mix,if not I cant help cause I'm tired and lazy.)

Heated until the center reached 150 degrees then pasteurized for one hour.

By the way worm castings work great too.

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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: The Centre]
    #11032429 - 09/10/09 03:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

The Centre said:
I've been searching my butt off...
Anyone got a coco tek that doesn't use coffee grinds?

And the first person to tell me to just use coffee grinds gets a zero rating. The first one to give me a good tek that doesn't use coffee gets 5 shroomies!




I'll give you a good tek.

You will need

- 1 brick of coir
- Your bathtub
- A clear tub (drill holes in it and shove in filter material if you feel motivated, that way you can brag about your "monotub")
- Whatever half-contaminated trash spawn you might have laying around, including spent bulk from your last batch

Unwrap the coir, toss it in your dirty ass bathtub, put the plug in, and run the shower on hot until your bathtub is filled with coir.  Unplug it just enough to let excess water out.  Scoop coir out of said bathtub with your bare hands and put a couple inches on the bottom of your tub, pack it down with your hands.  Crumble up substrate and throw it on top, mash it in a little bit with your hands.  Might want to pick any obvious patches of trich out of it, but don't worry about it too much.  Throw some more coir on top and pack that bitch down, too.  Done.  Look out for small seedlings growing in the coir...seriously, it happens a lot.

I'm not joking, this works bloody amazingly.


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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: CH HELL]
    #11033071 - 09/10/09 09:18 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

CH HELL said:
You can add almost any thing to it,  you need to raise the nitrogen level and keep the pH stable.
Horse manure 
Corn Cobs
Poultry manure
Urea
Gypsum
Straw
Worm casing
Blood meal
Bone meal




Ummm I beg to differ slightly on a couple of things

Straw: Straw is a carbon giving ingredient, not nitrogen.

From Agar:
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Wheat Straw (uncomposted) lacks nitrogen, (dead) microbial content, is high in fiber, but because it is not biodegraded, is consequently difficult for mycelium to digest. Nor, will it hold an optimal moisture content, over any extended period.




Blood/Bone Meal: while they are good supplements it is important to be clear that they should be added in very small amounts or they will burn the mycelium

Again Agar:
Quote:

Blood meal is far to HOT.
Adding to much can turn myc to toast.




Urea: I have never heard of adding urea to bulk substrates. If bone meal is considered hot, urea, which is even hotter is probably too strong.

A final quote from agar:

Quote:

The best additive to raise "N" levels is bovine manure.
(well weathered, without out any urine/fecal smell)





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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: Nibin]
    #11033104 - 09/10/09 09:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I was merely stating good additives.  Urea not urine.  If you search urea you will see it is a additive for bulk substrates.
Personally I would stick to coffee grounds,  but that wasn't what the OP wanted.
Straw and corn cob are great for adding bulk and texture to a substrate,  but not necessary for raising N.
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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: CH HELL]
    #11033164 - 09/10/09 09:45 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Gotcha on the additives thing.

But even so I still disagree on the urea count (I know very well what urea is, I use it every day).

I have never seen it used in mushroom compost (for plants, that is another matter) and a search on the site only reveals people suggesting it not be used or it being used in incredibly minute amounts.


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Don't use urea. If you feel you need a nitrogen boost, use chicken manure, but at no more than 5% of the total bulk substrate.





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Horse manure-synthetic blend
Ingredients .....Wet Wt. Dry Wt. %N Tons N
Horse manure ....15 T 10.5 T 1.2% 0.13
Hay......... ....7.5 T 6.3 T 1.1% 0.07
Corn Cobs .......7.5 T 6.4 T 0.3% 0.02
Brewer's grains .3.0 T 3.0 T 4.0% 0.12
Poultry manure ..2.0 T 2.0 T 4.5% 0.09
Urea ............0.1 T 0.1 T 44.0% 0.06
Potash ..........0.2 T 0.2 T 0.0% 0.00
Gypsum ..........1.0 T 1.0 T 0.0% 0.00





So for making 36.3 Tones only using 0.1T  of Urea is only 0.28%


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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: Nibin]
    #11033186 - 09/10/09 09:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Mike Rowe was adding urea to mushroom compost in that one episode of Dirty Jobs.

I seem to recall reading that neither bone meal nor blood meal break down quickly enough to affect bulk substrates much at all. Great for compost, though.


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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11033208 - 09/10/09 09:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Mike Rowe was adding urea to mushroom compost in that one episode of Dirty Jobs.





Interesting. Was he adding it before or after composting? Urea added before composting can be used by bacteria during the composting process to produce more complex molecules.(i.e proteins)

If adding after it really should be added in timy amounts as it is quite an alkaline substance.


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Re: Any Coco teks without coffee? [Re: Nibin]
    #11033241 - 09/10/09 10:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Before composting, I think. It's been a while since I saw it. But he was up on top of this heap of stuff spreading big bags of urea on it, then spraying with a hose. 50 pound bags, he had to run them up the pile. Pretty funny.

I'll see if I can find a link or something.

Edit, yeah there's links: http://www.google.com/search?q=dirty+jobs+mushroom


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