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friend got a call from a cop...
    #11027715 - 09/09/09 02:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

so over the weekend, a friend of mine who has no priors and no record was very drunk, and got into a bit of an emotional tangle with a girl he knows. things got a bit rough and she was left with a bit of a swell on her face. we havent communicated with her since, and this morning he got a call from a policeman who left his name and badge number, and asked him to call back so he could talk. my friend isnt of legal drinking age yet. he hasnt called the cop back, and we're just wondering what might be the best course of action. the girl with the swell on her face had one friend with her at the time, and there were about four other witnesses on 'our side'. im just looking for advice, and not a bunch of people telling me what a shitty thing my friend did. thanks.

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11027733 - 09/09/09 02:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

your friend should get a lawyer man. or at least just call one. 9 times out of 10 they will at least give you free consultation.

i wouldn't listen to anyone that's not a lawyer. you'll get a million different bullshit stories on what to do bro


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: JML]
    #11027797 - 09/09/09 02:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

does anyone have any idea what possible consequences might be with no priors?


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11027846 - 09/09/09 02:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Tell your friend not to speak to the police _at all_.

If they come and arrest him, thats fine, let them run him through the system. 

Don't let your friend make any excuses, or say anything at all about what happened or who was there.

There is a time and place to tell the full story about what happened.  It is court.  Telling the police your side of the story too soon will only help them build a case against your friend and will increase the chances that the DA presses charges.

Tell him not to keep any drugs around.

I don't think a lawyer is necessary until he gets arrested, which may or may not happen.  He could speak with some lawyers if he wants, but as long as he shuts up there isn't much for a lawyer to do at this point.

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11028249 - 09/09/09 03:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Alan's right.  Do not make ANY statement to the police under ANY circumstances.

That said you might do well to have some people talk with the girl and encourage her not to pursue the matter.  Any case against him is going to rely on her testimony since the red mark has probably already faded.


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: fastfred]
    #11028606 - 09/09/09 04:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

well that IS true.

the cops called me like a year ago and kept calling for like 3 months and eventually gave up. i just didnt talk to them and without a warrant there's truly not much they can do.


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: JML]
    #11032807 - 09/10/09 07:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

He beat his GF -.-''  :facepalm:
Tell him to talk to a lawyer


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11035261 - 09/10/09 04:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Let her hit him back and drop the charges, as she will feel empowered.

Or read the above intelligent posts. As I understand, if the charge is made the state will, in most cases, pick it back up if it is violent. Even if his gf comes in in tears to authorities saying she was lying he may still have to face the charge, IF he cops the charge in the first place.



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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: numonkei]
    #11036119 - 09/10/09 06:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yup I agree, don't talk. Don't call him back. Don't write a letter. Don't send smoke signals. If they have evidence they'll come get him. Once he's arrested he can THEN talk to a lawyer. As others have mentioned, I'd go ahead and TALK to a laywer first, maybe get his card to put in your buddy's wallet.

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: po0dingles]
    #11039532 - 09/11/09 10:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

No point in talking to a lawyer.  They'll just tell you to come back if/when you get charged.  Until then there's nothing for them to do.


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: dstark]
    #11064416 - 09/15/09 02:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

And don't forget to slap the shit out of your friend for beating his girl.


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: Society]
    #11164903 - 10/01/09 04:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

so my friend received a visit to his house from a man who was trying to give him some documents a few days ago. luckily, my friends brother answered the door and said that he was not home, and refused to take the documents on his behalf. so instead, the man left him a little piece of paper that says "notice- attempt to contact" at the top. the paper has his name, the date the notice was dropped off, and under comments it says "pick up documents". is my friend risking anything by going into the sheriffs office to pick up these documents? is he risking anything by not going to pick them up? it doesnt have a date that hes supposed to go in or anything. what do people think might be the best course of action in terms of the response to this notice?


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: shane]
    #11165405 - 10/01/09 06:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like a trick to me. Why can't they mail it to him? Why didn't your friend accept the documents? Did he have to sign for them? Is it possible it could be subpoena??


Methods of Service A Subpoena to Testify or a Subpoena for Records is generally served on an individual* by personal (in hand) delivery.  [For service on a partnership or on a corporation, see the (last) page.] If the individual is not available, under certain circumstances it may be appropriate to use an alternate method of service such as “Substituted Service” or “Conspicuous Service."  “Substituted Service” is the personal service of the Subpoena on someone other than the person who is being subpoenaed (the witness) at the actual place of business or place of residence of the witness. The server must then mail a copy of the Subpoena to the witness by first class mail to the actual place of business or place of residence of the witness. Mark the envelope “Personal and Confidential.’ “Conspicuous Service” is the service of the Subpoena by leaving it at the residence or place of business of the witness. Prior to leaving the Subpoena, the server must make at least two attempts. If no one is found on either attempt, on the third try the Subpoena may be affixed to the door with adhesive tape, and a copy must be mailed to the residence of the witness by first class mail. Mark the envelope “Personal and Confidential." An Information Subpoena is generally served by Certified or Registered Mail, Return Receipt Requested, or it may alternatively be served by personal delivery or by using the “Substituted Service” or “Conspicuous Service” method.

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If they left a phone number I would first look it up on www.whocalled.us

and then if that doesn't reveal anything, call up as the father of yourself/friend.

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: po0dingles]
    #11170813 - 10/02/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

> is my friend risking anything by going into the sheriffs office to pick up these documents?

Not unless he is planning to flee.

> is he risking anything by not going to pick them up?

Yes. If you hide from a subpoena or being served papers you just make things worse.  Under a lot of circumstances if they make a good faith effort to have you served and mail out whatever notices are required you can receive a judgment against you without the chance to present your case.

> what do people think might be the best course of action in terms of the response to this notice?

Go pick up the papers.  Whatever it is you're better off knowing about it as there's no way to avoid it forever.  He's probably already delayed as long as is advisable.  They usually only have to make 2 or 3 attempts to serve the papers and it sounds like they considered the delivery of the note as equivalent to serving him.

It could be anything, but it's likely a lawsuit against him.  If it were criminal charges the cops would simply locate and interrogate him or get an arrest warrant.

If it's criminal charges and they're subpoenaing him that's bad news.  That would mean a grand jury is attempting to indite him and wants his testimony first.


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: fastfred]
    #11170844 - 10/02/09 04:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

BTW one of the biggest reasons not to dodge subpeonas is because that's what someone has to do to sue you.  Usually it's creditors trying to get a court order to sieze your property.  If you don't show up the court will order all your property siezed and you won't know until the sherrif shows up at your door with an order to take ALL your shit.

I saw it happen once.  A friend tried to stiff a lawyer, bad idea BTW.  The sherrif showed up with 4-5 deputies with an order to take EVERYTHING of value that he had.  It specifically listed cars, bikes, televisions, anything in his pockets or on his person, etc., etc..

IIRC about the only thing they couldn't take was the clothes on his back.  Luckily he had absolutely nothing!  He pulled out about $1.30 in change and some lint from his pocket.  He also offered them this old TV we were watching (19" with old-skool chanel knobs).  They didn't take either and just wrote up that he had nothing of value.


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: fastfred]
    #11173807 - 10/03/09 07:30 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Make sure he fully knows his rights before he calls or picks up the documents. Any question regarding the incident at any point should be met with a response indicating his wish to remain silent, and that he would like to invoke his right to counsel.

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #11178903 - 10/04/09 06:47 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The only 5 words he ever needs to say to the cops are, "I have nothing to say".

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11948920 - 02/02/10 04:30 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Your friend should get his ass kicked for hitting that chick.

That being said....

"If their big enough to step into a mans shoes...they're big enough to get knocked the fuck out of 'em"

Tell the retard to call the cops back if they call a second time, to keep his mouth shut, and fucking learn some manners. Shit. you should lump him up real good for what he did..

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: wortime]
    #11950429 - 02/02/10 07:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: Heffy]
    #11956602 - 02/03/10 06:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I suggest you tell the cop everything you know.

I don't know why people in here are defending the wife-beater(girlfriend beater, whatever.)

It pisses me off so very fucking much when a man hits a woman, and people offer advise to the man on how to beat any charges, lawsuits whatever. It's fucking sickening.

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    #11957130 - 02/03/10 07:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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I suggest you tell the cop everything you know.




That is the worst legal advice I have ever heard.

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I don't know why people in here are defending the wife-beater(girlfriend beater, whatever.)




We don't know the full story, but he deserves the best defense he can get because the criminal justice system is very biased against men in these types of cases.  If he really beat the chick up he will get run through the system, however its extremely easy to get run through the same system in exactly the same way if the girl attacks the guy.  Any time you fight with a partner its a tragedy, adding additional legal complications will only draw out the pain.

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It pisses me off so very fucking much when a man hits a woman, and people offer advise to the man on how to beat any charges, lawsuits whatever. It's fucking sickening.




Well I don't know.  One time I got into a big fight with a girlfriend, she was really strong and was in the army.  Well its not like we got in a fight - What happened is I got fed up with her yelling and tried to leave to go outside on the balcony.  She got it in her head somehow that I was going to jump off the balcony, which is ridiculous because I never jump off balconies and it wouldn't have really hurt much anyway if I did because the grass was only ten feet below.  But she decided I was going to kill myself so she used all her strength to restrain me from going outside, when all I wanted was some fresh air.  Her knee got messed up pretty bad and needed surgery.  That incident could have easily ended in criminal and civil charges, though that would have been a miscarriage of justice.

Girls attack guys all the time, and if they get so much as a scratch, they can have the guy arrested, even if he had nothing to do with it and was just running away from the crazy bitch. 

In any case, in this forum we give the best legal advice that we can.  I have no idea if he hit the girl and I don't really care.  He asked for advice, so we tell him "do not speak to the police" because that is the only sound legal advice that can be given in a situation like this.  I don't give people bad legal advice just because I think they might be guilty.

There are plenty of wife beaters out there, and they should go to jail, but most of the people I have met who had a situation like this are not wife beaters.  They are often regular people who get screwed over by the system for no good reason.

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11961212 - 02/04/10 11:39 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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It pisses me off so very fucking much when a man hits a woman, and people offer advise to the man on how to beat any charges, lawsuits whatever. It's fucking sickening.




What's sickening is the number of pussies we've raised in this nanny state we live in.  They have no concept of morality or justice or even measures anymore.

It's sickening that one slap can get you three months of your life taken away and a record that will haunt you for the rest of your life.  A slap stings for about 20 seconds and leaves a red mark for a few hours, yet today we punish it the same as if you beat someone within an inch of their life and caused actual injury.

If our system was just we'd have a big black man bitch slap you off your feet right in the court room and it would be over and done with.

I know a guy who's GF smashed a pot on his head during an argument.  He went to the hospital and ended up with 30 stitches.  They demanded he press charges against her, when he refused they charged him instead and he ended up pleading to a minor domestic charge.  She never had a mark on her.

No matter what happens the man goes to jail if the woman has a tiny scratch on her or even a red mark from trying to hold her off.  It doesn't matter if you have a dozen stab wounds.  She'll show them the bruises on her arms from you resisting her and you go to jail.

I've never had any legal troubles like that, but I remember one time this little GF of mine attacked me.  I held her back with one arm and she kept swinging at the air trying to get to me.  All I could remember was praying my hand didn't slip above her shirtline and leave any sort of mark near her neck because I knew I would be fired and go to jail if the tinyist red mark got left.

Our current system is complete bullshit.  I got sucker punched by a guy once and was knocked out.  It left me with a black eye for a month.  The cops told me he was on probation and would only be facing 2 weeks for it and it wasn't worth picking him up since they were going to violate his probation for being in a bar due to the incident.

OTOH I have a friend that did 3 months because his wife charged him and he pushed her up against the wall.  Then she told him he was going to jail (no marks on her whatsoever).  So he punched a hole in their own wall and ripped the phone out of the wall.  He got three months for ripping his own phone out and punching the hole in the wall (he fixed the hole and the phone himself 3 months later when he got out).


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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: fastfred]
    #12129541 - 03/02/10 06:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Never hit a woman. Ever, unless your life is being threatened. As a whole, they are a physically weaker specimen, and really as a man, it is one of our duties to protect them and our families.

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Re: friend got a call from a cop... [Re: wortime]
    #12129587 - 03/02/10 06:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Your friend should get his ass kicked for hitting that chick.

That being said....

"If their big enough to step into a mans shoes...they're big enough to get knocked the fuck out of 'em"

Tell the retard to call the cops back if they call a second time, to keep his mouth shut, and fucking learn some manners. Shit. you should lump him up real good for what he did..

Just sayin



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    #12129618 - 03/02/10 06:33 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Never hit a woman. Ever, unless your life is being threatened. As a whole, they are a physically weaker specimen, and really as a man, it is one of our duties to protect them and our families.



:facepalm:
i dont condone violence against women in anyway but seriously can we quit making them out to be the poor little victims.. cmon guys.. you werent even there

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    #12129929 - 03/02/10 07:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

It's probably pretty easy to assess this from someone from the outside. If the girl walked away with a lump, and the bud uninjured...then......then.........

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    #12130295 - 03/02/10 07:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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OP is long gone, and this isn't really the right forum for debating whether its ok to hit women or not.

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