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Dead monk is alive...
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http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=3,3759,0,0,1,0

Moscow, Russia -- “Exhumation of the body of Hambo Lama Itigelov took place September 10 th, 2002 on the territory of cemetery near the city of Ulan Ude (Russian Federation). He died and was buried in 1927 and the exhumation was performed in presence of relatives, officials, and specialists”.

information that appeared in Russian mass media regarding Buryat Lama who was exhumed from the grave in the beginning of the 21 st century. The grave contained a wooden box and there was a sitting Buddhist lama in ‘lotus’ pose. His body was preserved as if it was mummified, however it was not. Soft muscles and skin, folding joints. The body was covered with silk clothes and fabric.

Hambo Lama Itigelov is a real person quite well known in Russian history. He studied in Anninsky Datsan (Buddhist university in Buryatia, nowadays there are ruins only) and obtained degrees in medicine and philosophy (on the nature of emptiness), he created an encyclopedia of pharmacology.

In 1911 Itigelov became a Hambo Lama (the head of Buddhist church in Russia). During the period from 1913 till 1917 he participated in social actions of the Tsar, being invited to 300-year anniversary of Romanov’s house, opened the first Buddhist temple in St. Petersburg, and Nikolai II gave him St. Stanislav award on 19 th of March, 1917.

During the First World War Itigelov created and inspired the organization called “Buryat brothers”. He was helping the army with money, meals, clothes, medicaments, he also built a set of hospitals with lama doctors helping wounded soldiers. For that he got St. Anna award and others.

In 1926 Itigelov advised the Buddhist monks to leave Russia, since ‘the red teaching was coming’ (Itigelov himself never left Russia). In 1927, being 75, he told lamas to begin meditation, since he said he was preparing to die. Lamas did not want to perform this meditation because Itigelov was still alive. Thus, Itigelov began to meditate by himself, lamas joined him and soon he died.

Ititgelov left a testament where he asked to bury him as he was, sitting in lotus pose in the cedar box on traditional cemetery. It was done. There was also a statement, where he asked other monks to exhume him after several years. (This is the exciting point – this means he knew that his body would be preserved). This was done in 1955 and in 1973 by Buddhist monks but they were scared to tell everybody about this, since communist regime did not leave any space for religion in society. Only in 2002 the body was finally exhumed and transferred to Ivolginsky Datsan (a residence of today’s Hambo Lama) where it was closely examined by monks and, which is now more important, by scientists and pathologists. The official statement was issued about the body – very well preserved, without any signs of decay, whole muscles and inner tissue, soft joints and skin. The interesting thing is that the body was never embalmed or mummified.

Two years passed. Itigelov’s body is now kept open air, in contact with other people, without any temperature or humidity regimes. How Itigelov keeps this condition, nobody knows.

This is the ONLY KNOWN AND CONFIRMED CASE OF IMPERISHABLE BODY throughout the whole world. Embalming and mummifying is well known among different nations and peoples – Chili (Chinchora), Egypt mummies, Christian Saints, communist leaders and others. Some bodies were found in permafrost, however when they contacted with oxygen atmosphere they perished within several hours.

However, there are descriptions of such things in Buddhist texts, but there are no confirmed examples. Well, now there is.

For two years after the exhumation of Itigilov’s body it does not perish nor decay, no fungus, no negative things happen to it. Itigelov said before he died that he left a message to all peoples on Earth. This message contains no words. Now it is our turn to understand it.



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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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thats amazing


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: themostpurple]
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Truly amazing. I can't believe they can keep it in open air.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: skin_]
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I want that to be true but I am extremely skeptical. Got any other sources?


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: laserpig]
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this is just speculation, but offers a good argument.

http://skepticblog.org/2008/11/13/the-incorruptible-hambo-lama-itigelov/

note the white shit on his robes in the picture...

Edited by NubeEnLaMontana (09/09/09 06:46 AM)

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: NubeEnLaMontana]
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Not really, monks who have preserved themselves like that are basically nothing but skin and bones, and they tend to have hard shiny skin that almost looks like stone.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=3,3759,0,0,1,0

This is the ONLY KNOWN AND CONFIRMED CASE OF IMPERISHABLE BODY throughout the whole world.




far from it, there's 3-4 catholic saints that are 100-700 years old and
still in very good condition, all on open display, one looks as though
she had just died, Saint Bernadette of Lourdes




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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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About those saints...

Don't you think they take some steps to make them look as if they still look relatively human?


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
blewmeanie said:
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=3,3759,0,0,1,0

This is the ONLY KNOWN AND CONFIRMED CASE OF IMPERISHABLE BODY throughout the whole world.




far from it, there's 3-4 catholic saints that are 100-700 years old and
still in very good condition, all on open display, one looks as though
she had just died, Saint Bernadette of Lourdes







That's actually a wax face you see. Though really well preserved with salt much of her skin was eaten away or black with mold.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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Those catholics cant help but lie.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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That's not the only case, there is a Nat Geo doc on a few of those.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu

Sokushinbutsu (即身仏) were Buddhist monks or priests who caused their own deaths in a way that resulted in their mummification. This practice reportedly took place almost exclusively in northern Japan around the Yamagata Prefecture. It is believed that many hundreds of monks tried, but only between 16 and 24 such mummifications have been discovered to date. The practice is now extinct in modern Japan, and not advocated or practiced today by any Buddhist sect.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Oops, Discovery

According to Victor H. Mair in the Discovery channel series The mystery of the Tibetan mummy, the self-mummification of a Tibetan monk, who died ca. 1475 and whose body was retrieved relatively incorrupt in the 1990s, was achieved by the sophisticated practices of meditation, coupled with prolonged starvation and slow self-suffocation using a special belt that connected the neck with his knees in a lotus position. Someone pointed that many buddhists do fasting and meditation, and there have been many famines, but no record the dead bodies became mummies.[6] Buddhists knowing the time of death is common. A high proportion in the mummies are the more religious people.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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a little decomposition had occured but she's far from being the only of
the 'incorruptables', they washed the calcium salts and sealed her with
wax 40 years after her death, they refer to it as beautification

http://www.fisheaters.com/relics.html

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Yeah, I'm well aware of Sokushinbutso, I posted a thread about it here a while back.




As I said though, they are basically nothing but skin and bones but this guy looks kind of fat.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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Well the guy in the doc I saw looked pretty similar to the one you posted.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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The interesting question is: how did Itigelov pull this off? What process and chemicals did he use that resulted in preservation of supple tissue? Apparently, Lenin's mummy is still pretty flexible as well, as I understand. But there's no way Itigelov was drowsed in glycerol, let alone pull that off all alone. And if the white powder on his robes are indeed salt, then how come his body is still flexible while the salt should have drawn out all the moisture in his body? Some more research is in place, it seems.

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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They said he was well preserved because he was fasting for about a month, all the bacteria inside his body that would cause decomposition had died off.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
Buddhists knowing the time of death is common. A high proportion in the mummies are the more religious people.



Ehh, yeah, if I decide to starve and poison myself to death using a strict time schedule, which sokushinbutsu apparently is, then I'd be able to tell my time of death more or less exactly as well :smirk:

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: koraks]
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koraks said:
And if the white powder on his robes are indeed salt, then how come his body is still flexible while the salt should have drawn out all the moisture in his body?




there's many types of salts, some dont act a desiccant

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
They said he was well preserved because he was fasting for about a month, all the bacteria inside his body that would cause decomposition had died off.



I understand, but inevitable dehydration would have led to mummification, which would have made all the joints and the skin stiff. Apparently, Itigelov never reached the state of a true 'stiff', so to speak.

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: koraks]
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guess you could say...

... he was bored stiff :awesome: ?


:rimshot:


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Bridgeburner]
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yeah, maybe he should give that a try :thumbup:

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: koraks]
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Speaking of strange mummies, WTF is Ramesses doing with redish hair?:confused:



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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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henna

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I guess, maybe the egyptians developed the worlds first perm too. :lol:


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Weren't there traces of opiates in Ramses' mummy? Or was it in one of the zillions of queens they'd dug up?

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
henna



nah his hair was natural the egyptians didn't import many things from the Mesopotamian society and especially not the Indus Valley area where henna would have grown and in that area they didn't grow novelties like that really just necesities like metals/foods.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: zany]
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Quote:
Egyptians used a material called henna (used for nails and lips, too) to dye their hair red.  Scientific studies show that people used henna to conceal their gray hair from as early as 3400 BC. Henna is still used today. There is a body of evidence from paintings that depict the existence of people with red hair, such as the 18th Dynasty Hunutmehet. She had distinctive red hair mentioned by Grafton Smith.



http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/dailylife/hairstyles.html

They had it. They used it. However, Ramses just was a redhead, that's all. They existed back then as well.

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: koraks]
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So their hair was red because it was died with henna, and the proof that they used henna is that they had red hair?:crazy:

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't have had access to some kind of dye, but I'm not all that informed on the subject, it would really just be a guess on my part.


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Edited by blewmeanie (09/09/09 03:52 PM)

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
So their hair was red because it was died with henna, and the proof that they used henna is that they had red hair?:crazy:



No, Ramses happened to be a natural redhead, but some other royal mummies definitely have henna-dyed hair and additional evidence of the Egyptians having access to henna is available.

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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Behind every "miricle" there is a scientific explination.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Kada]
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Of course there is, though sometimes the proper cause isn't known until much later.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Kada]
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Kada said:
Behind every "miricle" there is a scientific explination.



behind every scientific explanation is our need to rationalize all phenomena so that we would feel safer.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Psshhhtttt...who needs science, thats what titties are for.



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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Bridgeburner]
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b0red5tiff said:
Kada said:
Behind every "miricle" there is a scientific explination.



behind every scientific explanation is our need to rationalize all phenomena so that we would feel safer.



Behind every miracle is our need to obfuscate our lack of understanding by attributing the phenomenon in question to an entity that we conjured up for the purpose.

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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Get the ankle biter out of there and we have a show.


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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: koraks]
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koraks said:
b0red5tiff said:
Kada said:
Behind every "miricle" there is a scientific explination.



behind every scientific explanation is our need to rationalize all phenomena so that we would feel safer.



Behind every miracle is our need to obfuscate our lack of understanding by attributing the phenomenon in question to an entity that we conjured up for the purpose.



Behind your post is a heaping pile of bias, and behind that......MORE TITTIES!




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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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Fake boobs are gross as fuck. Id rather look at a flat chested chick.

The girl on girl makes up for it tho lol.

:awebig:


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"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Kada]
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Yeah, but just think of what you could do to those blow up bewbs...



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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
Behind your post is a heaping pile of bias, and behind that......MORE TITTIES!




Fuck yeah you're right. Except about them titties, alas.

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: blewmeanie]
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Hooray for real boobies!



Even the smaller ones!



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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Kada]
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Especially the smaller ones.

Small titties are :awesome:

Edited by koraks (09/10/09 06:57 AM)

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: koraks]
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My wifes boobs shrank somehow. They use to be damn near D's, but now they are damn near B's. Probably something to do with having 2 kids. I don't mind tho, she has no stretch marks at all. If anything they firmed up to perfection. :thumbup:


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: Kada]
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B is just perfect :thumbup: A couple of nice A's is just fine as well. Below that, I'd start to call her 'chum' and offer her beers.

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Re: Dead monk is alive... [Re: koraks]
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:rofl2:


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"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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