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 Conservationist
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 Liberals are just secular Christians 
#11024803 - 09/08/09 10:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seriously, other than the existence of god, what differences in belief do they have?
* We're all equal under the skin
* The meek shall inherit the earth
* We are judged by moral rectitude not competence
* We can make our society more godlike/progressive.
It's the same shit, in different packaging. Glad I'm not either, although as a Hindu I am technically also Christian.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: thedefone]
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Conservationist said:
Seriously, other than the existence of god, what differences in belief do they have?
* We're all equal under the skin
* The meek shall inherit the earth
* We are judged by moral rectitude not competence
* We can make our society more godlike/progressive.
It's the same shit, in different packaging. Glad I'm not either, although as a Hindu I am technically also Christian.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: Poid]
#11035343 - 09/10/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it's absurd to even try to label myself a liberal or conservative. There are certain points that I agree with with each side. I would think that most people would feel the same way.
For example I am for legalization, but against abortion.
I believe in taxing the rich, but am anti gun control.
I think the war in the middle east is a good thing that needs to be done.
I'm a christian, but i believe in the separation of church and state.
This maybe off topic, but i find it amazing that people lean towards a certain set of morals, based on a label they choose.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: ThePheonix]
#11035908 - 09/10/09 06:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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ThePheonix said:
I think it's absurd to even try to label myself a liberal or conservative. There are certain points that I agree with with each side. I would think that most people would feel the same way.
For example I am for legalization, but against abortion.
I believe in taxing the rich, but am anti gun control.
I think the war in the middle east is a good thing that needs to be done.
I'm a christian, but i believe in the separation of church and state.
This maybe off topic, but i find it amazing that people lean towards a certain set of morals, based on a label they choose.
Nobody is for abortion in the sense that we should be encouraging it as much as possible. It's almost always a difficult decision that requires more than ideological tools to be comfortable with. There are also concerns about people who are raped or victims of incest. If abortion is totally outlawed, their ability to determine their own future is incredibly diminished.
If you think abortion should be a banned procedure (illegal), how do you reconcile that with your belief in the separation of church and state?
Furthermore, to the OP, people who consider themselves Christians do not necessarily believe we are all equal under the skin. I'm sure you can think of more than a few salient examples.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: THC Titan]
#11035978 - 09/10/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you think abortion should be a banned procedure (illegal), how do you reconcile that with your belief in the separation of church and state?
I believe abortion should be banned unless it is ordered by a licensed medical professional such a s a doctor or a psychiatrist. I believe there should have to be a very good reason for it to be done. Rape is one. Even a poor financial situation could be a reason. But it shouldn't be as easy as take a number.
But these beliefs are hard to agrue from my point of view, as the are based on my belief in god and life being sacred. I know that my argument is moot to someone who doesn't believe in god.
Also, it should appeal to all human beings that murder is wrong. You don't have to be a christian to belive that.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: ThePheonix]
#11036014 - 09/10/09 06:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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ThePheonix said:
I believe abortion should be banned unless it is ordered by a licensed medical professional such a s a doctor or a psychiatrist.
Well, I don't give a fuck what you believe, and I'll be damned if you wanna force your beliefs onto me.
What in the fuck does a psychiatrist have to do with abortion? 
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ThePheonix said:
I believe there should have to be a very good reason for it to be done. Rape is one. Even a poor financial situation could be a reason. But it shouldn't be as easy as take a number.
Should this, should that...
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ThePheonix said:
But these beliefs are hard to agrue from my point of view, as the are based on my belief in god and life being sacred. I know that my argument is moot to someone who doesn't believe in god.
Well, keep your wildly imaginative BS outside of governmental politics, ok? 
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: Poid]
#11036046 - 09/10/09 06:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Uhhh. You sound kind of agitated dude. I was just stating my point of view. Answering a question that was asked. I wasn't forcing anything on anyone.
I'm sorry you aren't capable of having an intelligent conversation with out letting your confusion distort you emotions.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: ThePheonix]
#11036079 - 09/10/09 06:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Conservationist said:
Seriously, other than the existence of god, what differences in belief do they have?
* We're all equal under the skin
* The meek shall inherit the earth
* We are judged by moral rectitude not competence
* We can make our society more godlike/progressive.
It's the same shit, in different packaging. Glad I'm not either, although as a Hindu I am technically also Christian.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: THC Titan]
#11038757 - 09/11/09 05:25 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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> Nobody is for abortion in the sense that we should be encouraging it as much as possible.
Why not? Seems to be an effective means of population control. Look at China for a real life example of encouraged (and mandatory) abortion in practice.
> Glad I'm not either, although as a Hindu I am technically also Christian.
Hindu's believe in one god and believe that jesus, his son, is the only path to salvation? Wow, I learned something new today.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: ThePheonix]
#11039930 - 09/11/09 11:25 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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ThePheonix said:
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If you think abortion should be a banned procedure (illegal), how do you reconcile that with your belief in the separation of church and state?
I believe abortion should be banned unless it is ordered by a licensed medical professional such a s a doctor or a psychiatrist. I believe there should have to be a very good reason for it to be done. Rape is one. Even a poor financial situation could be a reason. But it shouldn't be as easy as take a number.
But these beliefs are hard to agrue from my point of view, as the are based on my belief in god and life being sacred. I know that my argument is moot to someone who doesn't believe in god.
Also, it should appeal to all human beings that murder is wrong. You don't have to be a christian to belive that.
I'm not going on record as pro-choice or pro-life here, but I want to point out that people can believe that all life is sacred while still being pro-choice. The real question is when does life begin, and when does HUMAN life begin.
Those are the issues in contention, not (at least for most) if life is important or not.
Also, since you believe that all life is sacred, I assume you are against capital punishment?
Not trying to pick a fight, just wondering.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: ThePheonix]
#11039961 - 09/11/09 11:31 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great, you're back! Now, let met point out to you what a fucking stupid idiot you are:
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Uhhh. You sound kind of agitated dude. I was just stating my point of view. Answering a question that was asked. I wasn't forcing anything on anyone.
How does this stupid shit have anything to do with the discussion at hand?
If you merge your imaginitive beliefs with your political ideals, then you are essentially imposing your nonsense on everyone in this country.
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ThePheonix said:
I'm sorry you aren't capable of having an intelligent conversation with out letting your confusion distort you emotions
Are you fucking serious? You're telling me this, yet you yourself have refused to address any of my points (with the exception of your imposition of beliefs on others)? 
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: Poid]
#11041099 - 09/11/09 02:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, man, calm down.
This is why I won't come out either pro-choice or pro-life in public.
Either you are a heartless, souless baby killer, or you are a sexist, extremist trying to put your laws on someone else's body.
There seems to be simply no room for honest discussion, only yelling and fighting.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: Sombie]
#11042064 - 09/11/09 06:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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The real question is when does life begin, and when does HUMAN life begin.
This would differ for everyone, I believe human life starts when the heart starts to beat.
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Also, since you believe that all life is sacred, I assume you are against capital punishment?
I am against capital punishment, but not for that reason. I'm against capital punishment because I think it's to possible to execute an innocent person.
But I guess this is off topic. I just find it odd how one can label themselves and then force themselves to believe a certain weay because they are a "liberal" or "conservative" maybe it's just me.
I wonder what that guy with the bad attitude labels himself.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: ThePheonix]
#11042852 - 09/11/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: Poid]
#11043266 - 09/11/09 10:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now, let met point out to you what a fucking stupid idiot you are:
God told me to tell you to switch to uncaffeinated coffee. 
Seriously, stop with the flames.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: zorbman]
#11044990 - 09/12/09 06:44 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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He has with the help of a ban.
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Re: Liberals are just secular Christians [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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