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overlay like condition with out casing in monotub?
    #11020003 - 09/08/09 10:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

ughhh! i hate waiting for the first flush to start when just starting up growing again. it really makes me feel like i cant do this!

its been a very long time since i started fruiting conditions for my mini mono tub. its coir/coffee/verm/gypsum 2:1 wbs spawn. it has been in fruiting conditions for 15 days though it was only in the vegetative stage for 5 days (looked like 100% colonization when put in fruit conditions)

originally there was no casing layer. then after some time i added a very thin and spotty layer of wet verm to help. the humidity is now perfect. the mini tub is in a huge tub on its side with a humidifier right outside of it, a nearby open window with a fan on low most of the day and i fan/mist at least 4 times a day, usually more.

is it possible since i used so much coir that i have an overlay like problem? the top of the myc is not fuzzy and there are few rhizos etc. it looks like its past its prime. there are no signs of contamination or anything else. the problem with using coir for casing is that it has nutrients, so having bulk substrate with lots of coir should be similar to using a coir/verm casing layer right?

should i scrape it with a fork, veg for a day then put it back in pinning? i really think too much time has past.

camera is charging, will put up pictures in the next hour or sooner.

anyone ever have this problem?

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: LitCloset]
    #11020084 - 09/08/09 10:52 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

My guess would be that you didnt let it colonize long enough.  So your tub is in fruiting conditions, but its still trying to colonize.

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
    #11020132 - 09/08/09 11:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's definitely not overlay. You have it wrong tho. Coir is not a casing. It's a substrate. Having a coir/verm casing is ACTUALLY another layer of substrate atop your existing substrate, if that makes sense to you. It sounds like you introduced fruiting too soon. No worries tho. Just let it go and you should see something soon. Hopefully you didn't pack down the verm as that might stunt pinning. Also the verm will become compact the more you mist it. Def not the ideal casing. I would suggest in the future if you dont have peat moss to not case it at all.

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
    #11020147 - 09/08/09 11:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah thats what i assume to. but still after this amount of time it should be more than 100%. i have another mini mono that i just put in fruiting conditions today, made the exact same way. it was definitely fully colonized after just a few days. that one had no tape on it so i could see everything.

i dont plan on doing anything drastic for another few days. im going to stop misting as much and up the fae to get a little bit of drying to start up. i hear that allowing the substrate to dry some is a major pinning trigger.

ughhh me want mushies. i just got back from a fantastic vacation out at monument valley. it would have been perfect for some...

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: LitCloset]
    #11020191 - 09/08/09 11:13 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I feel you man. I'm sure it's a 100% by now too. Remember that it could take a couple weeks for pinning to start. And if the tub wasnt fully colonized once introduce to fruiting conditions, you would have a few days before that 2 week mark. You have the right plan tho. Ride it out a little longer before doing anything drastic. What strain? Is it multispore? Those could be significant factors as well.

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: LitCloset]
    #11020225 - 09/08/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

in my original post i pointed out that coir is substrate and not good for casings. thats why i worry about an overlay like effect when using it as a bulk substrate.

the verm sure has compacted. i put up a post asking if it would do more harm then good to put a layer of verm only. no one said it would cause any real harm so i thought i would try it. my humidity was sooo low, it really helped that at least.

here are the pictures of the inside of mm1, the older mini monotub and the tub that im using to fruit that and another new mono in.


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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: LitCloset]
    #11020345 - 09/08/09 11:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

How thick is that verm layer? How thick is that substrate? MS or Clone?
By the way, coir seems to be the easiest and preferred substrate these days. Everybodys using it. Overlay is not attributed to a coir substrate. That term has to do with casings. Check out my post " 3-66 quart monotubs. Burmese multi-spore, etc...". Thats a coir substrate with tons of pins.

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: goldieman]
    #11020401 - 09/08/09 11:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i understand it is a substrate. what im saying is when people used coir/verm as a "casing layer" many people had overlay as a result. so im wondering if the coir in the substrate may overlay like the coir "casings" did.

the verm layer is just a single layer of verm. there should be very few on top of eachother. so there are lots of spots where no verm is present and the myc can be seen underneath.

it is inbetween a ms and clone :cool: agar was inoculated with spores and multiple colonies were taken off to inoculate the jar used to make the lc that inoculated the spawn bag used as spawn in this minitub. so there are multiple spores that germinated in this but much less than in a usual multispore.

the substrate is 4" deep. i would say the casing like layer is maybe 1/8" overall thick. really it was to supply humidity more than anything.

thanks yall

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: LitCloset]
    #11021267 - 09/08/09 02:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I think the majority if not all of the "overlay" you have heard about with coir casings is not really overlay. As a matter of fact I've only seen a few cases of actual overlay, and each of those cases was with a peat based casing.

"If the mycelium is dead and matted, no.  However, overlay is extremely rare, especially with cubensis.  999 times out of a thousand around here, full colonization is confused with overlay."
RR

The only way it seems your substrate would overlay is if it dried out to the point where it wont support a flush. Overlay is a dried out, matted mycelium that wont pin. And by the looks of your set up I dont think it got so dried out it overlayed. Did you put a frosting layer, (a layer of spawn atop your sub)? If so that could have alot to do with why your not seeing any pinning.

Edited by goldieman (09/08/09 02:34 PM)

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: goldieman]
    #11021364 - 09/08/09 02:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i got that tub this is it had to hot glue the handle cuz there were holes were it attached but has worked great


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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: feelfunny]
    #11021587 - 09/08/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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i got that tub this is it had to hot glue the handle cuz there were holes were it attached but has worked great



what is that, a sweater box?

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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: goldieman]
    #11022071 - 09/08/09 04:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

its the box the OP is useing


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Re: overlay like condition with out casing in monotub? [Re: feelfunny]
    #11022818 - 09/08/09 05:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

its an 1896 its used for hanging folders. see the link in my sig for the origianl post on it.

i hadnt seen that quote from sir RR. that sort of thing happens when you dont go on a website for years at a time.

it has not always been in this setup. this is about 1 week old. before then it was just in my main room, elevated a foot off the ground. no humidifier, no fan nothing. i just misted and fanned every now and then.

well ill just go back to waiting.

nice work btw feelfunny!

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