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Soaking Before First Flush?
    #11020996 - 09/08/09 01:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hi I am a first time grower and my jars are getting close to becoming fully colonized.

I want to soak a *colonized* rye substrate for 24 hours in tap water before I go to fruiting. Should I case first, wait until mycelium is lightly growing on casing layer, and then soak?  I want to use just straight up vermiculite for the casing layer.  Also, is this even recommended?  What are your opinions on doing this?

I know that for cakes that "dunking and rolling" is a common technique used after the cakes are fully colonized and you can do it before first flush and all flushes after that.  Also, I know of people soaking their substrate too after their first and consequent flushes but I have never heard of people soaking their bulk substrate before their first flush.

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Re: Soaking Before First Flush? [Re: fordrew]
    #11021036 - 09/08/09 01:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I fruit the 1st flush with the existing moisture in the substrate .... then dunk to rehydrate for the 2nd flush.

Your myc. isn't going to fully colonize a casing layer (peat/verm) ... so if you dunk after applying the layer, you will have a mess .... much of the casing layer will wash away.

edit: some growers do dunk substrate before the 1st flush .... I don't.  I would consider it if the substrate had really dried out.


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Re: Soaking Before First Flush? [Re: fordrew]
    #11021037 - 09/08/09 01:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
Guys, cased rye makes an excellent fruiting substrate.  In fact, it's probably second only to brf cakes in BE.  Tapered, small mouth jars are also perfect for rye berries.  Bang them against a fully inflated tire or tree trunk, phone book, etc., to break the grains up, and then they can be poured out of the jar like sand.

Rye by definition isn't a bulk substrate.  It can be cased and fruited directly with excellent performance, or it can be used as spawn to a bulk substrate such as manure, coir, straw, etc.
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I would rinse it very well and soak it over night, before simmering to a decent moisture content. :2cents:


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Re: Soaking Before First Flush? [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #11021090 - 09/08/09 01:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

okay , yea that makes sense.  I am just thinking about not soaking but it seems like a good idea because if the substrate is low on water , it will not create large/ more plentiful fruits.  If I do soak I might do it just with the substrate alone.  Then again some weird stuff might happen because the grains will be broken up and it might mess up the substrate completely

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