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Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active.
    #11017584 - 09/08/09 12:24 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

How would these compare to say, San Pedro, or even Peyote?

Stenocereus (Ritterocereus) hystrix
Trichocereus Cuzcoensis
Trichocereus Spachianus

??

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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11017804 - 09/08/09 12:55 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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mushroomhunter10 said:
How would these compare to say, San Pedro, or even Peyote?

Stenocereus (Ritterocereus) hystrix
Trichocereus Cuzcoensis
Trichocereus Spachianus

??

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All the cacti you listed are active in the sense that they contain mescaline, but there's really no reason to grow or eat them for that. They contain it in trace amounts so I reckon you'd have to eat a good 3ft of cuzzy for example to trip. It wouldn't be fair comparing any of those to San Pedro or Peyote. I <3 my spachianus though, just would never eat it.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: drift]
    #11017933 - 09/08/09 01:25 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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mushroomhunter10 said:
How would these compare to say, San Pedro, or even Peyote?

Stenocereus (Ritterocereus) hystrix
Trichocereus Cuzcoensis
Trichocereus Spachianus

??

Thanks everybody!




All the cacti you listed are active in the sense that they contain mescaline, but there's really no reason to grow or eat them for that. They contain it in trace amounts so I reckon you'd have to eat a good 3ft of cuzzy for example to trip. It wouldn't be fair comparing any of those to San Pedro or Peyote. I <3 my spachianus though, just would never eat it.




:thumbup:

I have only ever heard rumors about the hystrix, maybe somebody knows more then me, and not to sound ignorant but its simply not something I have ever looked up. I think I have a little bit of info in one of my E books around somewhere, but I have never heard anything but.. whispers. Never a confirmation of anything. Hopefully someone can clear this up for the both of us.

If not, then I'll make a point to look it up myself tomorrow.

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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: Methadone]
    #11018037 - 09/08/09 01:41 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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mushroomhunter10 said:
How would these compare to say, San Pedro, or even Peyote?

Stenocereus (Ritterocereus) hystrix
Trichocereus Cuzcoensis
Trichocereus Spachianus

??

Thanks everybody!




I've got a hystrix..
Very slow growing, at least for me.

If you're planning on growing something to consume, I'd stick with San Pedro or bridgesii.. they grow much faster, and have a more consistent alkaloid content.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: runrun]
    #11020008 - 09/08/09 12:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Well some of the listed cacti have up to 5% mescaline. I'm not sure if that's a lot or a little.

What does Peyote have?


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11020033 - 09/08/09 12:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Well some of the listed cacti have up to 5% mescaline. I'm not sure if that's a lot or a little.

What does Peyote have?




None of those cacti listed have up to 5% mescaline, that's bull. A good pedro, peruvianus or bridgesii goes to around 2%, but realistically, .8-1% is much more common.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: drift]
    #11020049 - 09/08/09 12:47 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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mushroomhunter10 said:
Well some of the listed cacti have up to 5% mescaline. I'm not sure if that's a lot or a little.

What does Peyote have?




None of those cacti listed have up to 5% mescaline, that's bull. A good pedro, peruvianus or bridgesii goes to around 2%, but realistically, .8-1% is much more common.




:thumbup:

In your defense, Mushroomhunter, I can say that the disreputable vendors are probably the reason you assumed that in the first place. Some people will go to any length to make a buck, regardless of the niche. What Drift says is correct, anyone claiming 5% content is wrong.

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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: Methadone]
    #11020375 - 09/08/09 01:53 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Okay then what's the percentage on average in Peyote??

BTW. The 5% one I didn't list, it's Trichocereus macrogonus that is said to be about 5%.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11020533 - 09/08/09 02:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

T. mac is not stable to rely on for mesc content. Bridgesii is generally a good bet.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11020740 - 09/08/09 02:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay then what's the percentage on average in Peyote??

BTW. The 5% one I didn't list, it's Trichocereus macrogonus that is said to be about 5%.



The mescaline content of Lophophora williamsii is about 0.4% fresh (undried) and 3-6% dried.

Macros are known for being the fastest growing trich, not having the highest mescaline content. T. Macrogonus don't have anywhere near 5%, fresh or dried.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: lolbience]
    #11020873 - 09/08/09 03:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

wow... I thought it was higher.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11021016 - 09/08/09 03:40 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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wow... I thought it was higher.



yea, makes you rethink how powerful mescaline is. I think average macro is ~.05% fresh lol.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: lolbience]
    #11021084 - 09/08/09 03:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm.

So the top 5 are:
Peyote
Bridgesii
Pedro
Peruvianus
Tersheckii

Any others that are potent?

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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11021217 - 09/08/09 04:12 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Hmm.

So the top 5 are:
Peyote
Bridgesii
Pedro
Peruvianus
Tersheckii

Any others that are potent?

Thanks for the input everybody!




Terscheckii is known for being pretty weak compared to the other 4.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: drift]
    #11021546 - 09/08/09 05:05 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I think T. scopulicola has some mescaline content, no idea if it's really stable


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11021764 - 09/08/09 05:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Umm,  I think you're looking at this subject wrong.  This list includes peruvianus..  are you up on the kk242/cuzco/peruvianus subject?  Because I think you have a skewed idea of the taxonomy of these plants.  Its not clearly defined at all


Edit:  Oh yes.  Scops are atleast as active as your average pedro/


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #11022160 - 09/08/09 06:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Umm,  I think you're looking at this subject wrong.  This list includes peruvianus..  are you up on the kk242/cuzco/peruvianus subject?  Because I think you have a skewed idea of the taxonomy of these plants.  Its not clearly defined at all


Edit:  Oh yes.  Scops are atleast as active as your average pedro/




Just curious:  how do you tell a  T. scopulicola apart from a Pedro? Looking at pics, they look almost identical to me.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11022195 - 09/08/09 06:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Hmm.

So the top 5 are:
Peyote
Bridgesii
Pedro
Peruvianus
Tersheckii

Any others that are potent?

Thanks for the input everybody!



What do you mean and where are you getting these lists...No matter how you looks at that, it's wrong. You have 2 genus listed, and jump to trichs after williamsii...there are a LOT of trichs with similar mescaline content...tersheckii is not top 5 mescaline content in trichocereus, let alone all cacti. There are tons of variations of bridgesii and peruvianus. You are probably talking about a backberg pachanoi, which is much less potent than it's pure strain.

I'm not sure if you're just guessing these lists or have a really really bad source.

Like everyone has said, if you're looking for something to trip off of, San Pedro(t. pachanoi), or bridgesii are common, easy to get, cheap, and consistent in their mescaline content.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: lolbience]
    #11023910 - 09/08/09 10:25 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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This list includes peruvianus..  are you up on the kk242/cuzco/peruvianus subject?


Edit:  Oh yes.  Scops are atleast as active as your average pedro/




I had thought that kk242/cuzco/peruvians are bred for their psychoactive properties. Very selective breeding.

At Wikipedia it states that Echinopsis scopulicola's mescaline content is speculative thus far.
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Hmm.

So the top 5 are:
Peyote
Bridgesii
Pedro
Peruvianus
Tersheckii

Any others that are potent?

Thanks for the input everybody!



What do you mean and where are you getting these lists...No matter how you looks at that, it's wrong. You have 2 genus listed, and jump to trichs after williamsii...there are a LOT of trichs with similar mescaline content...tersheckii is not top 5 mescaline content in trichocereus, let alone all cacti. There are tons of variations of bridgesii and peruvianus. You are probably talking about a backberg pachanoi, which is much less potent than it's pure strain.

I'm not sure if you're just guessing these lists or have a really really bad source.

Like everyone has said, if you're looking for something to trip off of, San Pedro(t. pachanoi), or bridgesii are common, easy to get, cheap, and consistent in their mescaline content.




I'm not sure what you mean by pachanoi's pure strain. :shurg:

I suppose that my sources might be bad then. I looked at several websites and all of the species I've listed contain mescaline in high enough amounts to do extractions.

So the five I listed have been used for that purpose. Even people at this forum have stated this.


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Re: Hey all. How good are these cacti? Supposedly they are active. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11024012 - 09/08/09 10:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Let me chime in here!

The only well known Trichocereus with sufficient mescaline content would be:

Pachanoi, Peruvianus, and Bridgesii

The others you listed tend to fluctuate greatly or have trace amounts.

Backberg Pachanois show different traits than true South American Pachanoi and probably do have less alkaloids, although I have never tried either so I can't say for sure.

kk242/cuzco/peruvianus relates to the mass amount of fake Peruvianus that has flooded the market and has little to no mescaline content.

Your sources are wrong, although all cacti tend to be incredibly variant.


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