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kydelic
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Amanita LC?
#11017337 - 09/07/09 09:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did a search on this and haven't found much recent info, so I was wondering about a few things about the grape juice tek and making an LC in general.
Does this actually work? From my search here it seems RR did an LC of A. muscaria, but I haven't found more information from him, I'm interested in whether this is psychoactive at all.
How is this done? Much of what I found was about reviving cap tissue...can this be done from spores? Can the mycelium really be reused to create more drinks? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: kydelic]
#11017420 - 09/07/09 09:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amanita liquid cultura cocktails? To get you high? What do you mean?...
You aren't supposed to drink liquid cultures. It can also be dangerous as you don't know what is inside the LC until you grow it.
Where are you trying to go here?...
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: AlexP]
#11017465 - 09/07/09 10:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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AlexP said: Amanita liquid culture cocktails? To get you high? What do you mean?...
You aren't supposed to drink liquid cultures. It can also be dangerous as you don't know what is inside the LC until you grow it.
Where are you trying to go here?...
Yea what he said. You can't get high from an LC and it is very dangerous to ingest amanita unless prepared properly.
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: AlexP]
#11017486 - 09/07/09 10:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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According to this tek, I believe you remove the grape juice to drink it. I'd love to experience amanitas (I just love them), and since they don't really grow around here, this is the next best choice. I have heard reports of it being used so I know it's not unheard of, but I just wanted more in-depth information. My impression about a. muscaria was that it was fairly safe to ingest, since it has been for quite some time.
Edit: I'm not sure if it is a proper LC or not, since I haven't read as much as I'd like about LCs in general yet, but basically it is growing the mycelium in grape juice.
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Edited by kydelic (09/07/09 10:07 PM)
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: truskool]
#11017522 - 09/07/09 10:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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truskool said:
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AlexP said: Amanita liquid culture cocktails? To get you high? What do you mean?...
You aren't supposed to drink liquid cultures. It can also be dangerous as you don't know what is inside the LC until you grow it.
Where are you trying to go here?...
Yea what he said. You can't get high from an LC and it is very dangerous to ingest amanita unless prepared properly.
For reals to.
If your that desprate to try them, there are various retailers of dried aminitias on the interweb.
Just make sure to do your research before trying them.+
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: Bassgasm]
#11017569 - 09/07/09 10:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd like to see what RR says about this, but I've also ready dried amanita material is usually bunk.
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: kydelic]
#11017790 - 09/07/09 10:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i went through this same thing where i live.. there are no amanitas out here. the syringes are mostly novelty items because to date there are no documented cases of lab/artificially grown amanitas. this has to do with the way the amanitas take in the nutrients they need. By itself the mycelium cannot survive because it cant produce some of its nutrients by its self (i forget what exactly but im doing this from memory so bare with me) thus the mycelium creates a symbiotic relationship with the roots of birch or pine trees. this gives the mycelium the extra food they need and the mushroom mycelium acts as a much finer root system for the tree supplying it with water.. this process takes time.. from what i have gathered it could take several months to a year to get any kind of fruit from doing this naturally in varying and potentially less than ideal conditions..
i doubt you could actually get a viable liquid culture of amanitas.. but if you were able to synthesize into a liquid whatever they pull from the birch trees it is possible.. keep in mind that a liquid culture is a VERY SMALL mass of actual tissue suspended in liquid.. it is really only good for cultivation processes.. as everyone else has said.. it is strongly recommended that you dont try to drink a liquid culture because of the potential for harmful bacteria.. seriously harmful.. not only that but amanita in its raw form is considered poisonous.. you have to take special precautions when preparing to make sure that they reach a certain temperature that in effect neutralizes some of the toxicity.. although they will still make you nauseous.. purchasing them dried from an alchemical shop is probably the best way to go if you dont have access to them naturally.. but always be leery about things on the internet.. check ratings on customer satisfaction.. ect..
be careful what you wish for too.. there are some horror stories.. do your research and dont just jump into something blindly and hope for the best (dosage)
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I planned to dose pretty carefully, part of the reasons I posted this thread, in case it has really been tried at all. I don't even know if I would dose, I wouldn't mind having it just sit there. I do see how it could be poisonous and gaining bacteria (perhaps it can be cooked?), but this was just part of my research deciding whether or not I should spend the time and money to try it.
The relationship these amanitas have with trees is ectomycorrhizal, the mycelium covers or otherwise connects itself with the tree's root, aiding in the tree's cellular respiration and its uptake of nutrients, as far as my understanding is (I'm just wading through a mycology class myself), meaning it would have to be grown in association with a compatible tree being grown as well. How well this could work outdoors, I'm not sure. Indoors appears to be a huge challenge, but I think some people who are really into amanitas will eventually figure out a way, just like it was done in the 70s with psilocybin. We'll see though...
Edit: Too bad you can't just grow the root system of the associated tree like an LC for fungus and grow the mushroom on that...or could you?
Edited by kydelic (09/07/09 11:11 PM)
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: kydelic]
#11018747 - 09/08/09 01:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i actually purchased a pretty large potted pine tree to see if i could come up with any results.. and was going to attempt it with one of my friends weed plants.. the pine tree failed and i never got around to messing with my friends plants.. i guess its more common than not to find a root system that has some sort of life forms living on the roots in symbiosis.. and they dont do well if you try to strip them of their hitch hikers and introduce your own.. this was never successful for me.. especially not in my more eager than educated noobie days.. but we all have to start somewhere and for the future i know how NOT to grow amanitas
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careful on dosage. i have taken them carefully by myself before on a very very high dose, about 8 caps. II'm confused why I'm still alive after blacking out. There are things i saw on that i cant explain except a metalic orb floating from left to right and the visual world strobing as if silver to what i see, silver, back, silver, back, strobing. be very carefull with this mushroom. not a fun, or a high, its strange in a not so pleasant way to me, there might be something to learn from it, such as oh respect it and to not eat it. There's just something about it that says "dont eat me man or else" red white spots. liver tests have been done on me sense. perfect health. all organs are ok. this is no reason to take it because it was hell. delerious hell.
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: mama]
#11019077 - 09/08/09 03:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wouldnt take it again even if u gave me a mountain. been there done that kinda thing. If you do you still deserve to be in the know for safety. you deserve to know rather than guess and die on something. there you go, and much love, becarefull and if i was you i woudlnt take it Oral Amanita muscaria Dosages Light 1 - 5 g (1 medium cap) Common 5 - 10 g (1 - 3 medium caps) Strong 10 - 30 g (2 - 6 medium caps) imagine cannabis indica the downer version of cannabis which calms the mind with cbn and cbd, imagine the opposite of a peacefull calm relaxed less anxious mind instead u get fear dread, delerioum, thats amanita muscaria at very high doses, then u feel clammy and sick like and even at low doses it can happen and chances are not worth risking imo. it's a neuro toxin btw and from what i remember correct me if wrong, can have heart failure at high doses and possibly low doses
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: mama]
#11019147 - 09/08/09 03:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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how does 8 CAPS BY YOURSELF constitute "carefully" thats just plain reckless and dumb.. especially if you know the potentially toxic nature of such things..
lets just jump in ballz deep and see if its dangerous!
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making A.muscaria LC for consuming purposes is nothing new at all
visit the site of Pastor David (the former pastor of Switzerland´s mushroom church): https://www.tupg.org/mhg/php/index.php?l=en
i will follow his teks if i find some amanitas in nature
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i was about teenager i think, misguided in life, acted on impulse not thought first. i changed. i think and feel first. i was a scting retarded for doing that but im not a retard and im much brighter than that now that im on the right path in life. im sure im not the only one on this thread that made a mistake in life equal to that.
i was so used to taking one cap or two and that alone was bad enough. i ment i didnt go anywhere i was just alone safe, not getting up, not going into traffic, not buying anything, i planned it and rode it out. thats what i ment as safe. or carefully. as far as dose, not safe. we all make our mistakes and i learned from it even at low dose, dont eat, at least for me, some people are ok with it, even at low dose one cap or two, no more, i wanted to see how far it would go. and i went all the way. touched the top of the mountain and never came back to there. been there done that man. carefully as in didnt go anywhere and i had someone in the house that could have sent me to an er if it was bad, which it wasnt, just was uncomfortable. so i was carefull as far as stayiong put and not going into traffic and such. and the best part i didnt die, i dried them out just fine too. the amanitas that is. we all have our retard days. i know i do sometimes. it was the strongest exerience iv ever ever had. stronger than salvia, stronger than mag mush, this was something very unsettling and i think we all need a cruel wake up call sometimes, maybe im very wrong though to say that. i would say stick to the real magic mush if anyone is interested in it. unless u smoke it, then u find a slight easter egg of reality, glowing colorful like, iv even rolled nugs in amanita muscaria. makes things shinny for me. thats my only way of ever taking it again if i was ever offered or if i ever went picking for the red and white. i would avoid anything white capped. destroying angels and phelodees. i picked the right one, dried it, took a strong dose, im alive, though i still hold strong to say i will never take it again. and i dont recommend anyone take it unless in small doses, your at your own risk. if your looking to just grow it for youself, just for looks its a pretty plant and deserves love and respect something i failed to do at 1st and now i have nothing but ultamit love and respect to it and all living things. love and respect to you gentlemen as well, ladies too
Edited by mama (09/08/09 04:42 PM)
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: mama]
#11022332 - 09/08/09 04:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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btw i would avoid vendors regardless of their rep. i have heard stories that accidents can happen. the wrong mushroom sold to the customer. mr hawk or however he is, red angels site he says it himself, avoid the vendors selling amanita. instead try to pick it locally, and if that isnt possible good luck choosing
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: mama]
#11022384 - 09/08/09 04:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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and good luck with you liquid cultures. nothing but love and respect im outta here. good luck and happy hunting if u find amanita.
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please forgive me for anythign rude i may have said or done. or if i have annoyed you. this is your thread not mine and i dont want to take up your time. ps im not a retard nor some one who calls people names nor someone that has something mean to say to anyone. and im not the only one who has been careless and thoughtless. have a nice day and god bless you and your success, we all deserve the best of success. kindly speaking: if you say anything else to me i wont be reading it because im not interested in the thread any more, just giving u my 2 cents about amanita that arnt worth anything to some people. much love. and only good things to say and put around myself and in the envirnment. nothing bad. peace and love and good things. a good man with a clear conscious can eat and sleep well and at times produce joy. -mama
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: mama]
#11022698 - 09/08/09 05:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's ok Mommy But you should seriously take a break from posting lol
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Re: Amanita LC? [Re: mama]
#11022768 - 09/08/09 05:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's a neuro toxin btw and from what i remember correct me if wrong, can have heart failure at high doses and possibly low doses
False.
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just fuck off... if you really wanted to do it you wouldnt even be asking questions about it...
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dont get scared now...
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