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FellowGrower
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Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF?
#11014129 - 09/07/09 11:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, The jars spoke of in this thread..
Are continuing their journey to full colonization, despite their obvious handicap of having some type of bacteria? or other infestation of some sort...
Some smell "Kinda Okay" some smell like my ass crack on fire, some are showing little tiny tiny green spots...??
The reason I posted here is b/c I know they're contamed, (to some degree) but;and;so; What now? I have some pasteurized Hpoo+ in jars (that I was planning on spawning to) but, now, looks like these babies got a one trip ticket to a hole in the ground...
I remember reading somewhere that if your doing outdoor it should be UN pasteurized... (so I know that) I'm asking does/would it make that much of a difference if the shits contamed anyway?
Or is it the opposite like; b/c its contamed, it should DEF. be spawned to UN- pastuerized!?
and should I even spawn it to ANYTHING? b/c its rye... can I just dump em in a hole? and hope for the best? or layer it with straw? then "case" with some topsoil?
Need a couple outdoor pointers here please!(I'd appreciate it) THANKS GUYS! You're the BEST!

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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11014156 - 09/07/09 11:18 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have tried this same thing outdoors were my wbs jars are full of healthy myc. with blotches of yellow..what I do is yes use-unpasteurized hpoo outdoors and only scrape out the nice white looking myc. if you're jar is completely covered with yellow my experience is that the myc. fails and all you have left after a couple watering's is bird seed..so good luck my friend hope this helps a little.....e
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11014194 - 09/07/09 11:27 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had some jars that were contamed but eventually fully colonized. The jars had some mycelial metabolites, (mycelium piss), due to fighting off the contam. I planted them and I've beenyold by trusted cultivators that i shouldnt have any further issues and i believe them.
Your outside patch sounds like a good idea tho. Dig a hole, mix the spawn with some hay and cover it with a thin layer of soil. That might work. It probably wouldnt hurt to water it now and then if your not getting any rain.
The reason why they say to do it outside is because the fresh air keeps contams at bay. With constant fresh air contams arent an issue. If you can supply exceptional fae indoors it wont be a problem either. Thats why I'm confident enough to use my use to be contamed jars indoors. I'm totally confident i can provide ample fae.
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: goldieman]
#11014280 - 09/07/09 11:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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electrics said: if you're jar
...my only chance to use that smiley, and it turns out it's backwards! (...thanks for the reply tho)
Now,
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goldieman said: I had some jars that were contamed but eventually fully colonized. The jars had some mycelial metabolites, (mycelium piss), due to fighting off the contam. I planted them and I've beenyold by trusted cultivators that i shouldnt have any further issues and i believe them.
Your outside patch sounds like a good idea tho. Dig a hole, mix the spawn with some hay and cover it with a thin layer of soil. That might work. It probably wouldnt hurt to water it now and then if your not getting any rain.
The reason why they say to do it outside is because the fresh air keeps contams at bay. With constant fresh air contams arent an issue. If you can supply exceptional fae indoors it wont be a problem either. Thats why I'm confident enough to use my use to be contamed jars indoors. I'm totally confident i can provide ample fae.
...is it just me, or did that post not make ANY SENSE???
"You planted em?" what does that mean?
You're fruiting contamed sub's indoors? and trusted cultivators told you that's okay??? 
...whatever dude! :thanks: for the advice?!
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11014326 - 09/07/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
FellowGrower said:
...is it just me, or did that post not make ANY SENSE???
"You planted em?" what does that mean?
You're fruiting contamed sub's indoors? and trusted cultivators told you that's okay???
...whatever dude! :thanks: for the advice?! 
Wow, u r confused. or retarded... planted = planted outside
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: goldieman]
#11014369 - 09/07/09 12:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay... but then in the last paragraph he says...Quote:
goldieman said: With constant fresh air contams arent an issue. If you can supply exceptional fae indoors it wont be a problem either. Thats why I'm confident enough to use my use to be contamed jars indoors. I'm totally confident i can provide ample fae.
...so? is he saying? shit makes NO SENSE.
What happened to the ones he "Planted"?
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11014384 - 09/07/09 12:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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makes sense to me.
Sometimes he takes a recovered jar and fruits it normally indoors.
Sometimes he plants them outside to fruit.
Glad I could clear this up for you...
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11014474 - 09/07/09 12:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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goldieman said: I had some jars that were contamed but eventually fully colonized. The jars had some mycelial metabolites, (mycelium piss), due to fighting off the contam. I planted them and I've beenyold by trusted cultivators that i shouldnt have any further issues and i believe them.
Your outside patch sounds like a good idea tho. Dig a hole, mix the spawn with some hay and cover it with a thin layer of soil. That might work. It probably wouldnt hurt to water it now and then if your not getting any rain.
The reason why they say to do it outside is because the fresh air keeps contams at bay. With constant fresh air contams arent an issue. If you can supply exceptional fae indoors it wont be a problem either. Thats why I'm confident enough to use my use to be contamed jars indoors. I'm totally confident i can provide ample fae.
...is it just me, or did that post not make ANY SENSE???
"You planted em?" what does that mean?
You're fruiting contamed sub's indoors? and trusted cultivators told you that's okay??? 
...whatever dude! :thanks: for the advice?! 
Excuse me for not proof reading my post and not using correct terms. My bad.
By "planted them" I meant spawned/birthed them to a bulk substrate of my liking.
I'm not fruiting contamed subs indoors. I had some jars of wbs that had spots of contamination. Eventually the mycelium overtook the contamination. In one of RR's posts he talks about metabolites given off by mycelium while fighting bacterial contamination. Those metabolites are visible as a yellowish liquid, (mycelium piss as some call it), and are a sign the mycelium is winning the battle. Once the mycelium has colonized the contamination it's ok to take those jars and spawn/birth them as you do normally.
That's what I meant. Like I said I'm sorry for not proofreading. Not trying to give out false information. Just trying to pass on some knowledge. GOLDIE
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: goldieman]
#11014536 - 09/07/09 12:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Its cool, I forgive you, JUST DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!";)
Thanks for clearing that up Goldie... I bet anonjon is feelin pretty stupid right about now...(but I'm not gonna rub it in)
So, then, GREAT!!! Kuz that describes my jars PERFECTLY! they're nice and puffy white, and a brownish liquid is clearly visable... Now, another question... SHOULD I SHAKE EM??? ...My guess is NO! b/c the one I shook about a week ago, never came back... I should just "Let em Fight it out" and not disturb them correct?
EDIT: I forgot to ask... Past? or UNpast?(sub) (and how big a' deal is it?) ...Thanks!
Edited by FellowGrower (09/07/09 12:50 PM)
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11014600 - 09/07/09 01:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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FellowGrower said: I bet anonjon is feelin pretty stupid right about now...(but I'm not gonna rub it in)
But you are! 
Neway, I reserve the right to be wrong and self-righteous at the same time.
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: anonjon]
#11014630 - 09/07/09 01:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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AHhh.. Giving people the "Right" to be "Wrong" ...Its a hard thing to do... But, you have the chance to redeem yourself!!! ...(via) Answering my questions!! 
(while at the same time eating a peice of "Humble Pie")
Meaning; if you CAN'T, then DON'T TRY... zat fair?
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11014672 - 09/07/09 01:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay. (getting back on topic) ...Can/Should I "Help" the myc out (in the fight) by throwin in some H2O2? ...couldn't hurt? Right?
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11014992 - 09/07/09 02:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can tell you from experience that you're more likely to spread the contamn around than kill it. Tried this w/ h202, bleach, and alcohol to same affect.
The myc does a better job of encapsulating it left to its own devices.
one more note, sometimes when you dunk these recovered cakes, the contamn resurfaces. It might be best to not dunk it for the first flush.
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Edited by anonjon (09/07/09 02:07 PM)
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: anonjon]
#11015101 - 09/07/09 02:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, you're sayin, Don't fuck with it... wait til its completely white, then, Don't shake it, kinda "Place it gently" in layers with sub, let colonize, then Fruit datshit, right? ...again, Past/UnPast?(sub)
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11015335 - 09/07/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, cept if it stalls or if the contamn is on the bottom, flipping it seems to help a bunch.
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: anonjon]
#11015846 - 09/07/09 04:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can I tell where the contam is??? also, if I put em upside down my polyfil will get "Pissed on"
Once again... SUB< Pasturized or UN?
& If they stall, then what?
Thanks for the help!
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11016101 - 09/07/09 05:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh sorry, I thought we were talking about pf cakes. I never tried using a contaminated quart of grain before. I would probably just toss it, cuz it's gonna get spread around when you shake it.
Myc doesn't really kill the contamns, it encapsulates it. I have no idea if a quart of grain could ever recover.
Sorry.
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: anonjon]
#11016111 - 09/07/09 05:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11016127 - 09/07/09 05:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I need a 2nd opinion on this...(please) am I better off doing "The Outdoor Thing?" or... 
The reason its confusing me is that I made some bulk subs with some contamed rye before, and One died, but the other!...it colonized... so? (had rhizos and everything) smelled fine... so? I just put it out (the one that made it) ...in the FC?
but? what shall I do with the rest?
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11016851 - 09/07/09 08:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11016919 - 09/07/09 08:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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hehe..I already know what the trusted cultivators gonna tell you...
throw it out or put it outside.
If you wanna take a chance on spawning it to bulk sub, you're the only one that can make that call.
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: anonjon]
#11017324 - 09/07/09 09:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11017378 - 09/07/09 09:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK sorry "your" jars answer indoors=pasteurized sub. outdoors unpasteurized sub. that is what has always worked for me...e
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11017811 - 09/07/09 10:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
FellowGrower said:
So, then, GREAT!!! Kuz that describes my jars PERFECTLY! they're nice and puffy white, and a brownish liquid is clearly visable... Now, another question... SHOULD I SHAKE EM??? ...My guess is NO! b/c the one I shook about a week ago, never came back... I should just "Let em Fight it out" and not disturb them correct?
EDIT: I forgot to ask... Past? or UNpast?(sub) (and how big a' deal is it?) ...Thanks!
Indoors definitely pasteurize. Brownish liquid im unsure of. Check out my pics.

 The first one is a contamed jar, (obviously). The other two which are all the way colonized had the same contam as the first pic. Not as severe, just in certain spots. If you look real close by zooming in you can kind of see the yellow liquid I'm speaking of. Its not gooey at all. If your brown contam is gooey I would let it colonize fully before trying to birth. That brown doesnt sound like the metabolites I'm talking about.
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: goldieman]
#11019707 - 09/08/09 09:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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...zwhat I'm talking about... Close up=

but this one looks fine... so? 

(still havn't made up my mind?) I might do both, some outside, some inside? prolly just do em like I did this other one that was similiar, made 2 small casings, like I said, one of em bit the dust, the other colonized just fine... so?
Thanks for the advice, keep it comin!
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11020019 - 09/08/09 10:40 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't use those first pics indoors. If anything I would def throw thows outside; those with the brownish sludge. That pic at the bottom looks decent. Not optimal but decent. I might try to spawn that one indoors. But those in the other pics I would def throw outdoors.
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: goldieman]
#11020212 - 09/08/09 11:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Instead of throwing them outside, can I (may I) ... "Place them gently" in a hole; instead? (thanks I'd appreciate it) 
Yeah. Good word. Think that's what I'll do... I'll keep ya posted...
CHEERS!
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: FellowGrower]
#11021684 - 09/08/09 03:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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FellowGrower said: Instead of throwing them outside, can I (may I) ... "Place them gently" in a hole; instead? (thanks I'd appreciate it) 
Yeah. Good word. Think that's what I'll do... I'll keep ya posted...
CHEERS!
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Throw that shit son, fuck that gentle shit
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Re: Bacteria Bullshit On Rye Recovers Now WTF? [Re: goldieman]
#11021933 - 09/08/09 03:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, I don't know alot about nothin... but I do know, dem R are some DANK ass looking nuggets in your avatar!
...and how about I just "Toss them" near the earth...lol
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