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Dimensionic
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Some personal assistance, please?
#11013176 - 09/07/09 05:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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First of all - Hi! And excuse me for any stupid questions I may ask 
Back story Yesterday I had the weirdest day. I tried shrooms. At first I didn't think it was really something for me, from the stories I had heard. But in reality it was actually a really pleasant mind-voyage in self. And I would like to try it again sometime.
However, yesterday started at 5AM, then went on with a long ass driving. From there it was hours of endless searching, wet clothes and same drive back. And that really isn't something I'd like to do sometime again, if there is a more suitable way, like growing them at my home.
To the point. So, I read about the process, different guides etc. But it seems like every third word is like some part from alien spaceship I have never heard of. And the more I read, line after line, I get more overwhelmed by the different aspects of the process. So instead I decided to write some lines myself in hope to get some friendly advice from the community.
So, like I already said, I would like to grow 'shrooms myself. I am not looking for a good yield or fast growth or w/e. But just a way to grow some shrooms for myself and maybe a few friends. Not planning to do this on a daily, or even monthly basis. Just maybe a few times a year when the time is right to ease off the daily stress we're all getting. So I guess most of the time they'll be more of an eye-candy than anything else.
So that's where I'm coming from. And I don't really know where to go on from here.
I don't have tons of money for advanced equipment. Or a extra room especially for growing which I could totally sterilize and perfectly adjust the temperature and humidity.
However I do have some money, some spare space in my room and of course the time and will to put into this. So the question is - is this enough? I have some experience with growing different plants. But nothing involved with microbiology, or.. micro-anything really.
Questions. So now you know where I come, and where I wish to go. But I don't really know how to get there.
I understand there are several different methods to grow shrooms. Which one(s) should I choose/research?
Are shrooms really that sensitive? In every stage or growth? Or just when it is in "micro-form" and not settled in yet? I mean.. they do grow in wild nature as well. And there are all sorts of different stuff out there that you cannot find in my room. So how do they survive there without the need of every bug, animal and worm and bacteria wrapped into latex and HEPA filters?
Is there any cool/weird looking species/genetics that aren't too hard to grow? 
I am not really getting the different stages of mushroom growth, time-wise. Could anyone try to explain it in a really simple way? The thing I am not really getting is that do I have to start the whole process all over again every now and then (like 6months or something) or is there a way to keep growing them until I mess something up?
I'll probably have some more questions once I find out more. And once again, sorry for any stupid questions. I know they might be answered 10000 times before in different guides and posts, but please.. make my life easier. I really don't wish to get frustrated about the subject and dump it.
Edited by Dimensionic (09/07/09 05:45 AM)
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013186 - 09/07/09 05:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.mushroomvideos.com/
if its your first grow, start out with psilocybe cubensis. the spores can be purchased through a shroomery vendor and will be sent discreetly via mail. the above link was made by one of our members Roger Rabbit and is an excellent guide for beginners.The most common method tho try first when cultivating is the "pftek". try constructing a shotgun fruiting chamber, as it virtually takes care of itself. and don't forget to read everything you can get your hands on in this forum about cultivation. be sure to use the search function, and try not to rely on any old information, since new improvements to growing methods are being made every year.
and no it doesn't take 6 months to grow from start to finish. I usually completely finish a grow from beginning to end in around 2 months.
Edited by subject (09/07/09 05:49 AM)
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Dimensionic
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: subject]
#11013200 - 09/07/09 05:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for your reply I'll check out that link.
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subject said: and no it doesn't take 6 months to grow from start to finish. I usually completely finish a grow from beginning to end in around 2 months.
I didn't mean that, I think... I do not wish to make a fast grow. Actually I wish the grow to go on for a long time. Is that possible?
I mean.. is it possible to keep growing, without going back to spores again? Can't they keep growing like they do in nature?
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013206 - 09/07/09 05:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, no. the mushroom substrate does eventually reach a point where it wont produce as prolific of "flushes" (waves of mushroom growth). However at the point where you harvest a mushroom, you can make a spore print, which can be tuned into a syringe for future grows. It is possible to stagger the inoculation of several jars over the course of a few weeks and be in a state of constant cultivation. However to answer your question simply, No, a single grow cannot go on indefinitely, but can last a long time if your conditions are optimal. There are also many other ways besides spore printing of preserving the mushroom culture to prevent you from ever having to purchase spores again (untill you are ready to try a new species).
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013211 - 09/07/09 06:01 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Woah, first bit of advice is to just straight up figure out what you want to ask and then ask it. People don't need your life story and every element within it that lead to the question. Kudos on being cogent and coherent, but you waft on as only a high-fantasy writer (that's getting paid by the word) can.
What you want to ask is: "What methods are there for growing shrooms? Which is the cheapest and least intensive? Do I need to use a spore print/syringe every time I want to start a new batch?"
All which would have been easily answered with a cursory search. It's nice that you can put a paragraph together without stuttering but your entire post still boils down to a two thousand word essay asking people to teach you how to grow shrooms.
Read the FAQ and then search for the words you find there.
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11013271 - 09/07/09 06:27 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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subject said: Well, no. the mushroom substrate does eventually reach a point where it wont produce as prolific of "flushes" (waves of mushroom growth). However at the point where you harvest a mushroom, you can make a spore print, which can be tuned into a syringe for future grows. It is possible to stagger the inoculation of several jars over the course of a few weeks and be in a state of constant cultivation. However to answer your question simply, No, a single grow cannot go on indefinitely, but can last a long time if your conditions are optimal. There are also many other ways besides spore printing of preserving the mushroom culture to prevent you from ever having to purchase spores again (untill you are ready to try a new species).
Oh well. Thanks for clearing that 
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ozzyozzyozzy said: Woah, first bit of advice is to just straight up figure out what you want to ask and then ask it. People don't need your life story and every element within it that lead to the question. Kudos on being cogent and coherent, but you waft on as only a high-fantasy writer (that's getting paid by the word) can.
What you want to ask is: "What methods are there for growing shrooms? Which is the cheapest and least intensive? Do I need to use a spore print/syringe every time I want to start a new batch?"
All which would have been easily answered with a cursory search. It's nice that you can put a paragraph together without stuttering but your entire post still boils down to a two thousand word essay asking people to teach you how to grow shrooms.
Read the FAQ and then search for the words you find there.
Well.. I am not looking for "The cheapest and least intensive" way to grow. I am looking for the most suitable way for ME to grow. That's why I wrote so long about all the stuff, so people could understand me better. Still, it is far from my life story and you could just go to the "Questions" part.. that's why I put a "titles" to stuff as I know some people don't like to read long text.
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013293 - 09/07/09 06:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would like to mention that theres diffrences in nature growing and cultivating including we are to ptoduce the mushrooms making a envitoment perfect for bacteria and mold no on know how many times mold killed out mycelium in nature but they are more fragil in cultivation becuase we make stuff so good for them its also perfect for other decomposers
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013294 - 09/07/09 06:40 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Author's Introduction
This reply is for my mother, my sister Janine and my best friend Tucker. May God smile down upon you as you have smiled upon me.
This post first came to me in the summer of 2004, when I was reading an online forum about mushroom cultivation quite regularly. It occured to me that people could be helped by my knowledge and so I put about trying to compile a story, both entertaining and educational, that would capture both the hearts and minds of the potential newbie mushroom cultivators. Over the next 5 years I worked on and adapted the story, reflecting the stages in my life and the events that shaped my view of the world, until you have what you see before you today. I remain indebted to my family and friends who kept me going through every step of the way.
Prologue
Some people are born lucky. Some people are born with a working knowledge of every applicable and theoretical science the world has ever known. Some people are born with two hands and the will to use them, having to struggle their way up out of the dirt until they shape an empire before them. These people are even more remarkable, in my view, than the natural born prodigies, for their efforts are, relative to their initial stead, manifold more successful than even the most acclaimed of prodigies. Ozzy cubed was one of those men, having nought to begin but a desire to learn and the will to share the fruits of his labour. The labour of love, in this case, being the secret knowledge of mushroom cultivation.
Chapter 1 - In Which We Expose The Myths Of Idleness
Ozzy turned to his left. There lay a trio of creatures, a collage of fair-maned muses, reclined upon the grassy bluff. The scene appeared as a Greek tragedy, Chorus and Hero, comedy and hubris a hair's breadth apart.
The muses turned to him. As one, they spoke: "Hero, if a Hero thy be, pray tell us the nature of your journey?"
The Hero replied thusly: http://www.shroomery.org/17/Mushroom-Cultivation-FAQ
Chapter 2 - In Which We Link The Elements
Ozzy gazed at the man who had tried to kill him. Magnanimity was not a word he was familiar with, but the struggle for compassion did not escape his concern. He stayed his hand, edged near his blade, and instead left. To his retreating back the fallen foe merely whispered:
http://www.shroomery.org/17/Mushroom-Cultivation-FAQ
Epilogue
The Hero lay supine upon the stone bench, blood splattered and broken. No breath escaped his lips, no muscle twitched within that husk, no movement graced his dull eyes. He was dead. From the shadows, the Chorus emerged. Slowly, quietly, they dropped a parchment upon his chest. It read:
http://www.shroomery.org/17/Mushroom-Cultivation-FAQ
Other Works By Similar Authors
http://www.shroomery.org/17/Mushroom-Cultivation-FAQ
Hope you enjoyed my answer. I separated it into its separate chapters to help you find the parts that you need to read to complement your search for enlightenment.
If you have any questions, I have a library of published works available to quote from regarding rudimentary mushroom cultivation.
Edited by ozzyozzyozzy (09/07/09 06:45 AM)
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11013299 - 09/07/09 06:43 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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bravo bravo
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11013306 - 09/07/09 06:45 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dimensionic
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
#11013350 - 09/07/09 06:59 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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HaRo On KoRn said: i would like to mention that theres diffrences in nature growing and cultivating including we are to ptoduce the mushrooms making a envitoment perfect for bacteria and mold no on know how many times mold killed out mycelium in nature but they are more fragil in cultivation becuase we make stuff so good for them its also perfect for other decomposers
Yes, makes sense 
I was thinking that maybe it would be possible to maybe like... leave few (or 1) mushrooms standing, so it could release new spores on to the growing medium and the process could automatically start again like it does in nature. Makes sense to me, but then again I know nothing about the subject 
And Ozzy, I have read the FAQ. But like I said.. there's alot of information there, which can me overwhelming to a beginner like me. That's why I'm posting here. So I could get some personal advice from another person, not from a static page aimed at general public, who mostly knows what they are looking for.
So instead of being an ass to beginner why dont you go post to another, shorter threads and actually help someone? Yes, I write long posts, yes I sometimes seperate them into "chapters" for easier reading. Does it do anything bad to anyone, to you?
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013361 - 09/07/09 07:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I help people all the time. Not just in this forum but in others.
But if you want a personal trainer to go through and feed you with a spoon and wipe your arse for you, cough up some cash or go to a gym. The FAQ is there and perfect for people to get started so they know what to search for.
Spend just one day here and you'll find 4 other people like you who come and go, not bothering to learn even the most rudimentary things before signing up and posting a thread asking to be babied about. Spend a month and you'll see dozens. Hang around for a few years and you'll see more than anybody could hope to count.
I'm not being rude, just impersonal. You haven't bothered to read even the first thing about mushroom cultivation before coming here and expecting someone to spoon feed you. The only thing that differentiates you from the thousands of other people who've done the same is that you wrote in chapters, which amused me. Don't take it personally. Just take it as a sign that you should read more.
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From one noob to another... [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013403 - 09/07/09 07:22 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The situation in which you find yourself--having a very general idea of what you want to but unsure where to start--is a common one for many of us.
Sarcasm aside, Ozzy has provided a great jumping off point. Also, the link Subject provided ( http://www.mushroomvideos.com/ ) is a terrific overview of a simple and proven method of growing.
As you read you'll soon discover that some can speak with more authority than others. You're a smart fellow and will be able to separate the good from the bad, the ugly from the helpful.
Good luck!
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Re: From one noob to another... [Re: GoodMojo]
#11013418 - 09/07/09 07:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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im sorry but there are teks u need to read i been looking at this site for months and posting on it for a lil less then that and all i can say is you got to read a hell of a lot and your never ever done learning about this
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Re: From one noob to another... [Re: GoodMojo]
#11013421 - 09/07/09 07:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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ozzyozzyozzy said: I'm not being rude, just impersonal. You haven't bothered to read even the first thing about mushroom cultivation before coming here and expecting someone to spoon feed you. The only thing that differentiates you from the thousands of other people who've done the same is that you wrote in chapters, which amused me. Don't take it personally. Just take it as a sign that you should read more.
Maybe the fact that I took more time to write the post also might hint that I might be more dedicated than many of the others?
And I have read the basics and a like. I was just thinking if there is a more suitable way for me. As most (or all) of the guides at FAQ are aimed to get the fastest and most yielding result, or just being an easiest way to grow. And both of these are not what I am looking for, really.
Also it is true that I haven't found a guide that generally explains different aspects of indoor growing (which would help a lot), without it going into a specific method. And it is also true that I haven't read the whole FAQ. There IS ALOT of information there, and it is VERY useful. However that fact also might make it too big to handle it efficently.
I do not expect someone to spoon feed me, I am not going to ask a step by step video tutorial on each step I take (although that's excactly what I got for one method, and it has been very helpful). All I'm asking is a general idea which way I should take, and what should I expect.
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GoodMojo said: The situation in which you find yourself--having a very general idea of what you want to but unsure where to start--is a common one for many of us.
Sarcasm aside, Ozzy has provided a great jumping off point. Also, the link Subject provided ( http://www.mushroomvideos.com/ ) is a terrific overview of a simple and proven method of growing.
As you read you'll soon discover that some can speak with more authority than others. You're a smart fellow and will be able to separate the good from the bad, the ugly from the helpful.
Good luck!
Thanks for understanding
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From one noob to another... [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013441 - 09/07/09 07:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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They do live amongst the elements outside, and I've never seen a valid explanation here other than something along the lines of: "there's not as much dirty stuff in nature" or "nature sorts itself out", in more or less words, it might just be that only the strongest substrains survive, but who knows. Either way, I can tell you sterile procedure is most important thing to learn. Even if you grow outside, eventually you'll throw the stuff out in your yard, but you need to prepare the spawn first, inside, in a sterile environment.
And yeah, a lot of times with just outright "how do I get started" questions, it's a big contest to see who can tell you to use the search engine first, this information is here on the forums already, I never asked a single question up until my first grow was well under way. Thats why there's also a large faq at the top of the page by nibin, that describes different methods, so that you don't just have a large amount of information thrown at you to sift through.
One spore syringe is not going to last you very long, so first look into making a liquid culture, or if you're up for it, agar, to isolate a strain. With a liquid culture, even if you only make a half pint of it, you use less than half a CC/ML from your spore syringe, and get ~25 syringes worth of already growing myc, and on future grows, you can skip the germination time. If you do everything right, once you have a spore syringe, you never have to buy one again for that species/strain.
After that, I suggest you try different methods to grow. That's what I did, and I'm getting very good results thus far. I did PF cakes the first run, because I didn't have a pressure cooker, fruited some cakes, and crumbled some and spawned to bulk. Both worked great, and the latter just finished putting out, now about 1 month into fruiting. I have a pressure cooker now, and have since experimented a lot. If you have a pressure cooker or the money, by all means try preparing some grain spawn or myco bags and spawning to bulk trays or a monotub.
Good luck. I'm not providing links, other than just recomending either buying or borrowing Roger Rabbits mushroom cultivation DVD he made and watching the whole thing. There are clips on his website (http://www.mushroomvideos.com/), but the only one that's full is the BRF pf cake vids, there's so much more information on a lot of topics that you'll probably find interesting, and a base knowledge so you can extend your research from there. The grow info at the top of the page, is good info, but just watch for outdated info, read several techniques for every one thing you're going to do.
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013453 - 09/07/09 07:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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study the pftek or the MMGG (magic mushroom growers guide) , they are practically the same. disregard anything about "incubating", room temp. is fine. as stated, build a shotgun fruiting chamber.
always check dates on post's, stay away from old info.
thats about all you need for an answer, just read and it'll all fall in place.
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Re: Some personal assistance, please? [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013466 - 09/07/09 07:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dimensionic said: And I have read the basics and a like. I was just thinking if there is a more suitable way for me. As most (or all) of the guides at FAQ are aimed to get the fastest and most yielding result, or just being an easiest way to grow. And both of these are not what I am looking for, really.
You have to develop your own way, the different methods are set out so you can follow a recipe and get results, and in the process, learn how the organisms live and develop. Once you understand how mushrooms and their mycelium grow, what they require, and how to get them to do so, you can tweak things, build your own setups, and go from there. Most guides don't really explain the organisms lifecycle, but if that's what you're interested in, as opposed to firsthand experience, you might look into reading paul stamets books.
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They do live amongst the elements outside, and I've never seen a valid explanation here other than something along the lines of: "there's not as much dirty stuff in nature" or "nature sorts itself out", in more or less words, it might just be that only the strongest substrains survive, but who knows. Either way, I can tell you sterile procedure is most important thing to learn. Even if you grow outside, eventually you'll throw the stuff out in your yard, but you need to prepare the spawn first, inside, in a sterile environment.
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think about it, there is competition from other micro-organisms outside, thats how nature "sorts itself out", if there was no competition there would be fields and fields of shrooms every time it rains.
When a shroom grows outdoors its just luck, it just happened to be the right conditions for it to happen. When we grow inside we are creating optimal conditions,thats why when we sterilize something it has to remain sealed until completely colonized by mycelium, because its not only perfect conditions for shrooms, its perfect for other things also. When we sterilize we kill important bacteria that are actually beneficial and help shrooms to grow, therefore sterilized substrate will contaminate easier. Outdoors this is not the case, the beneficial bacteria still remain, just as they still remain when we pasteurize.Thats why we only cook @ 170f when we pasteurize, to protect bacteria. When we sterilize we reach 250f, killing everything (allegedly).
did i explain it well enough?
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Edited by 200proofhonky (09/07/09 08:01 AM)
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Re: From one noob to another... [Re: Dimensionic]
#11013622 - 09/07/09 08:53 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The common advice is to start with cubensis, and that would be fine, but their may be an even easier alternative, and that's a sclerotia producing species. You would essentially be growing psilocybin truffles.
These grow right in the jar. You get them started, put them in a drawer or closet and come back in two to three months. You can let them sit as long as nine months before opening, so you can harvest jars as you want them.
You would need a pressure cooker capable of 15psi, but you really will be glad you have it. Since I got mine, I use it all the time for roasts and things.
The Cervantes thread "Easier than Cubes" is linked in my sig. The lid tek goes very well with it
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