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The person you voted for is a tool.
    #11012589 - 09/07/09 02:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Obama promised a lot of nice stuff, none of it has happened. He is a war criminal too, which is sad. Obama is a war criminal, it's a fact. He has kept the military tribunals, and is holding people without charges or access to a lawyer as they wait for illegal trials.

  When I expressed the fact that Obama is a war criminal to my father, he said that those were Bush's policies and Obama is trying to do better, but things take time. I said, If you own a plantation of slaves, then when you die, I continue running your plantation of slaves, does that make me better than you?  He said it wasn't as bad to continue someones crimes as it would be to start the chain. 

I rephrased my analogy, "If you kidnap a 14 year old girl and beat her and rape her every night, then you die, and I continue to beat and rape her nightly, am I guilty of a lesser crime?" He got angry with me.


Oh, and the other party is just as bad, at least they are honest about not giving a fuck about people though.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: shroommachine]
    #11012675 - 09/07/09 02:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

They are all tools, you have to be a tool to be a politician, or at least to succeed as a politician. I don't understand why some people are so surprised that Obama has not held up some of his promises.

I think it is pretty ignorant though to say that the war in Iraq or the bull shit that bush was injecting into the world is just like a slavery plantation and that it is just as simple as opening the gate and letting the slaves out as it is to putting an end to 8 years worth of work. Bush is pretty stupid but he is not stupid enough to make his entire 8 years of work easily washable. It is an incredibly complex situation and even though I really think Obama could be following his own stump speeches better so could every other shitty white houser of the past. I would rather have a guy promise an ass load of good things and deliver half of them, then have an angry old as rock war monger and his crazy moose killing bitch of a governor promise despair and more silencing to progression and deliver any of it.

Obama is far from perfect but the worst choice between the two I can't agree with.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: audiophoenix]
    #11012982 - 09/07/09 05:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

i wouldnt exactly call him a tool.. but obama has definitely o'bumbled his job duties..which was to continue the campaign after winning the election...obama said it himself during the campaign ..what the country needs is a left-wing version of ronald reagan...tragically..however..o'bumble has instead foolishly chosen to get bogged down in pragmatism..triangulation..and consensus building.. at a time when bold liberal leadership is absolutely imperative...the inevitable result will be that a right wing nutjob like romney or ghouliani will be elected POTUS in 2012.. and i wouldnt bet the farm that the country can survive that either...


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: shroommachine]
    #11014399 - 09/07/09 02:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Any person any of us could have voted for would have been a tool.  End of argument.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: shroommachine]
    #11015125 - 09/07/09 04:26 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

fortunately not everyone on this forum is retard who voted for obama. Most, but not all.

god bless america


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: danielx]
    #11016677 - 09/07/09 09:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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fortunately not everyone on this forum is retard who voted for obama. Most, but not all.

god bless america




Why would he do that?


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: TGRR]
    #11016744 - 09/07/09 09:50 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

because we trust in god. I know this because it says so on the back of my dollar.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: danielx]
    #11016985 - 09/07/09 10:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It's nice to see a fresh forward thinking mind on this forum for a change.

Yes obama is a fuckup, particularly as his campaign promises go. I think that there's more that he could do to demand complicity from democratic senators (after all that is one of the ways bills get filled with fatty pork, by being "debated") and more he could do to meet his promises particularly the reversal of bush war/torture policies. He's helped brand an epic fail on the back of America.

Frankly I think this was the last chance for America and it's been fucked, so in 2012 it doesn't matter who'll be president or even if presidency exists in the US, it's like trying to be capt on a sinking ship. Perhaps I sound overly pessimistic, but... :shrug:


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: shroommachine]
    #11018517 - 09/08/09 02:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

For me, Obama was simply a place holder.

I didn't believe in all this "Change you can believe in" and "Yes we can" bullshit

Hes a politician like all the others. The difference is he, unlike our former child president, knows that he has to do good for the country overall.

The Bush years were 8 years of constant rape, even in the times when he had no bad intentions he couldn't stop tripping over his own feet to help us. Not only was he a crook but he was an incompetent crook.

Obama might be a crook, I think he is more worried about 2010 and 2012 then what is actually good for our country, but he is at least competent, and so he is a step in the right direction.

His biggest failure so far has been his refusal to take back Bush-era power grabs. (Patriot act, executive orders etc.)

Still, his stance on drugs is the most liberal for a president in my lifetime (remember the medical marijuana raids started under Clinton) and thats a plus, even if he doesn't go as far as I would like.

Health Care is another place where he has potential, but only if he fights to keep the Public option, otherwise we are putting band-aids on an amputation.

Would I prefer a third party? Yes I would. In fact I think the two party system is the biggest issue we face as a country.

But I could not sit by and vote for a third party while the GOP gets another four years of raping and pillaging. So I took the compromise, I voted for Obama.

Despite his policy in Afghanistan and is unwillingness to legalize marijuana, and I still think that was the right decision.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11019248 - 09/08/09 07:03 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

> I think that there's more that he could do to demand complicity from democratic senators

Ah yes, the Savior should have complete subservience from his humble followers in Congress.  Down with separation of powers.  Representative democracy is over rated, anyway.  Quasi-dictatorship has worked for Chavez, so why not for Obama?  Who cares about those silly people in Congress that were elected by the people to represent their local interests rather than to blindly support His socialist policies.  Everybody should stop thinking and blindly follow the Great Leader, for only He can lead us to the glory of our salvation.  :rolleyes:


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: Seuss]
    #11019268 - 09/08/09 07:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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> I think that there's more that he could do to demand complicity from democratic senators

Ah yes, the Savior should have complete subservience from his humble followers in Congress.  Down with separation of powers.  Representative democracy is over rated, anyway.  Quasi-dictatorship has worked for Chavez, so why not for Obama?  Who cares about those silly people in Congress that were elected by the people to represent their local interests rather than to blindly support His socialist policies.  Everybody should stop thinking and blindly follow the Great Leader, for only He can lead us to the glory of our salvation.  :rolleyes:




well bush was able to get unconditional subservience from both the democrats and republicans on much of his retrospectively insane agenda so I still think that obama's inability to force past many of his campaign promises represents an epic failure. Of you dissagree, please voice your opinion in the form of libertarian rhetoric or neo-conservative name calling.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11019906 - 09/08/09 12:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Bush managed to get a lot of crap passed that I disagree with (patriot act, etc), but he was far removed from "unconditional subservience from both the democrats and republicans" on almost all issues.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11019969 - 09/08/09 12:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ohh the lamentations and wailing of the far looney left that Obama is not fulfilling his campaign promises (and yea verily, he is not).  Many of these are the same people who kept telling us Obama was really a centrist (yea verily, he is not) and that warning calls pointing out his extreme liberalism were derided as alarmist.  "They're playing on our fears!!!!!!!!!!!!Yearghhhhh!" 

What unites these egregiously simple fools is a belief that the President of the United States is a dictator.  That a 53 to 46 election victory is somehow a mandate to steamroll almost half of the population.  That a repudiation of a vastly unpopular President's party somehow meant the people had turned drastically socialist (A President who himself was viewed by many as insufficiently anti-socialist).  That once they got over their desire for change they wouldn't be horrified at the Change the One has in mind.  His poll plummet is the most impressively rapid post election debacle I have ever seen. 

Obama has been handed a victory in Iraq.  Or, to put it another way, he has been handed a huge anchor with the perception held by many many people that we have been victorious in Iraq (That debate is for (yet) another thread should any wish it.  It is not relevant to the point here.)  He knows that and is deathly afraid that if it all falls to shit in the next few years he will be blamed.  And he will, oh yes he will, as sure as chickens lay eggs.  Afghanistan?  Who the fuck knows.  That is mostly in Pakistan's hands now.  But Barry will draw heat on that as well.  Gitmo?  We'll see.  It certainly isn't rocketing to any resolution.  He also doesn't seem interested in giving up any power vis-a-vis interrogations now that it is his power.  What a surprise.

He managed to ram through the unread porkulus, which is probably causing the recovery to lag behind other countries.  Yipee.  Remember his laughable unemployment promises, that if we didn't pass that pile of shit we would have 9% unemployment?  We've blasted past that threshold.  The stunning confiscation of automobile companies from their owners was another leftist coup and the idiotic government cash for clunkers program was another redistribution, although that went to more comfortable individuals and was not felt the least bit by the poor.  Except that now they can't buy the cheap used cars that were destroyed (remember that the cars had to be in working order).  Oh well.

So what is left?  Health care!  Oh yeah.  But the people aren't so susceptible to the ramrod this time.  There is no health care crisis ("He's playing on our FEARS11111111YEARGH!!!!!).  It is quite static but now the people are genuinely concerned about other things.  Like their jobs and an absolutely stunningly huge deficit the likes of which has not been seen on this earth. 

Do you know who else is concerned about their jobs?  Democrat legislators.  Despite the mis-characterization by the far left looniesphere most of the people are quite wary of a government health care system and aren't buying the obviously nonsensical and self-contradictory assurances that this not the first next step toward it.  The Dems ARE going to lose seats in 2010.  The only question is how many and which ones.  Blue dogs each and all don't want to be "that guy".

Then we have the more obvious failures, like Ofuckups complete inability to staff his administration.  This in spite of the fact that he is utilizing the questionable czar run-around to avoid confirmation hearings.  Van Jones, anyone?  Assorted appointee tax problems and investigation problems have plagued his nominees to a degree I certainly can't recall.  So sad.

But what did you expect?  For my part the answer is, "Pretty much this."  The dictator pandering was a bit of an unpleasant surprise.  I didn't think he would be that stupid about something that matters so little.  Failure I Can Believe In.  Yippee.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11020222 - 09/08/09 01:22 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

a 53 to 46 election with 60% participation is actually only a 32% to 28% win.  less than one third of the population votes for the winner.  you'll never see the statistics displayed in this manner though, because that would diminish the "us vs. them" purpose of a two party system.  divide and conquer.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11021012 - 09/08/09 03:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Ohh the lamentations and wailing of the far looney left that Obama is not fulfilling his campaign promises (and yea verily, he is not).  Many of these are the same people who kept telling us Obama was really a centrist (yea verily, he is not) and that warning calls pointing out his extreme liberalism were derided as alarmist.  "They're playing on our fears!!!!!!!!!!!!Yearghhhhh!" 

What unites these egregiously simple fools is a belief that the President of the United States is a dictator.  That a 53 to 46 election victory is somehow a mandate to steamroll almost half of the population.  That a repudiation of a vastly unpopular President's party somehow meant the people had turned drastically socialist (A President who himself was viewed by many as insufficiently anti-socialist).  That once they got over their desire for change they wouldn't be horrified at the Change the One has in mind.  His poll plummet is the most impressively rapid post election debacle I have ever seen. 

Obama has been handed a victory in Iraq.  Or, to put it another way, he has been handed a huge anchor with the perception held by many many people that we have been victorious in Iraq (That debate is for (yet) another thread should any wish it.  It is not relevant to the point here.)  He knows that and is deathly afraid that if it all falls to shit in the next few years he will be blamed.  And he will, oh yes he will, as sure as chickens lay eggs.  Afghanistan?  Who the fuck knows.  That is mostly in Pakistan's hands now.  But Barry will draw heat on that as well.  Gitmo?  We'll see.  It certainly isn't rocketing to any resolution.  He also doesn't seem interested in giving up any power vis-a-vis interrogations now that it is his power.  What a surprise.

He managed to ram through the unread porkulus, which is probably causing the recovery to lag behind other countries.  Yipee.  Remember his laughable unemployment promises, that if we didn't pass that pile of shit we would have 9% unemployment?  We've blasted past that threshold.  The stunning confiscation of automobile companies from their owners was another leftist coup and the idiotic government cash for clunkers program was another redistribution, although that went to more comfortable individuals and was not felt the least bit by the poor.  Except that now they can't buy the cheap used cars that were destroyed (remember that the cars had to be in working order).  Oh well.

So what is left?  Health care!  Oh yeah.  But the people aren't so susceptible to the ramrod this time.  There is no health care crisis ("He's playing on our FEARS11111111YEARGH!!!!!).  It is quite static but now the people are genuinely concerned about other things.  Like their jobs and an absolutely stunningly huge deficit the likes of which has not been seen on this earth. 

Do you know who else is concerned about their jobs?  Democrat legislators.  Despite the mis-characterization by the far left looniesphere most of the people are quite wary of a government health care system and aren't buying the obviously nonsensical and self-contradictory assurances that this not the first next step toward it.  The Dems ARE going to lose seats in 2010.  The only question is how many and which ones.  Blue dogs each and all don't want to be "that guy".

Then we have the more obvious failures, like Ofuckups complete inability to staff his administration.  This in spite of the fact that he is utilizing the questionable czar run-around to avoid confirmation hearings.  Van Jones, anyone?  Assorted appointee tax problems and investigation problems have plagued his nominees to a degree I certainly can't recall.  So sad.

But what did you expect?  For my part the answer is, "Pretty much this."  The dictator pandering was a bit of an unpleasant surprise.  I didn't think he would be that stupid about something that matters so little.  Failure I Can Believe In.  Yippee.






What exactly makes his a left wing extremist?

Lets go through this point by point, shall we?

Healthcare: He is simply attempting to move healthcare to a position closer to the rest fo the civilized world. Our Healthcare currently ranks on the level of Turkey's. Surely we can do better then that. Unfortunately Obama's willingness to compromise with right wingers who have no intention of compromising has left a plan with no public option (much less single payer) and no real reform. He now is simply putting band-aids on flesh wounds.

This is because of the same party who's leader once said "Everyone has healthcare, just go to an emergency room" that was Bush's "Let them eat cake" moment.

Economy: The economy is very hard to predict, people devote their lives to it, spend years in college studying it and have their livelihoods depend on predicting it, and still get it wrong. That being said the economy is showing positive signs of recovery, and as long as that trend continues you can't fault Obama or democrats on the economy. And he did somethings that were unnecessary and possibly harmful, but his strategy seemed to be throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. Somethings stuck, and thats a good thing. Nine years ago we were on track to having a surplus, then the GOP ruined the economy so badly (and gave away a surplus that didn't yet exist in tax cuts for the rich and 300 dollar checks for everyone else) that Obama had to continue to dig our debt hole to get the economy running again.

Obama might have done some things wrong, but at least he tried different things, unlike Bush who, when the economy was continuing to fail, tried the same policy of tax cuts over and over again.

Whats that saying? "Crazy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?"

You say Obama has been handed a victory in Iraq, yet you fail to remember had McCain gotten his way we would be there for the next 100 years.

You also complain about the stimulus package, and I hear you, I am against wasteful government spending, but as I mentioned, it seems to have turned the economy around, and if you think Obama is the first one to be fiscally irresponsible, then you are sadly mistaken my friend. That has been happening all over the place, from both parties.

In fact the last time we were in the black was Clinton, a democrat.

I think Obama has his share of failures, mainly him refusing to reverse Bush-era power grabs as he promised.

But a wacky left wing extremist? Come on, he won't even legalize marijuana or fight for a public option.

No, he is just a normal politician with a darker tan.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: audiophoenix]
    #11021174 - 09/08/09 04:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Obama is far from perfect but the worst choice between the two I can't agree with.




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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: Lancaster]
    #11021274 - 09/08/09 04:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

obama bedded my mom then came me how can i hate him?


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: shroommachine]
    #11021286 - 09/08/09 04:25 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Chuck Baldwin is not a tool :kingcrankey:


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: Sombie]
    #11021573 - 09/08/09 05:08 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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What exactly makes his a left wing extremist?




Well let's see.  He has stated many times in the past that he is in favor of universal government health care.  He has stated numerous times that he wants to "spread the wealth around".  He was the most liberal Senator in a body with some other far left loons, notably Barney Frank.  He is closely associated with other far left loons (Bill Ayers) and even appointed an avowed Communist to czardom (Van Jones).  He has confiscated the property of the owners and creditors of two major auto companies and given control of them to the unions.  I could go on.
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Lets go through this point by point, shall we?

Healthcare: He is simply attempting to move healthcare to a position closer to the rest fo the civilized world. Our Healthcare currently ranks on the level of Turkey's. Surely we can do better then that. Unfortunately Obama's willingness to compromise with right wingers who have no intention of compromising has left a plan with no public option (much less single payer) and no real reform. He now is simply putting band-aids on flesh wounds.



Yoyur assertion that our health care is akin to Turkeys is ignorant.  It is actually better than the UK, Canada the EU.  I really can't think of any place that it's better.  But this has nothing to do with the point about Obama being a leftist.  He has stated repeatedly in the past that he is in favor of universal single payer health care.  And to characterize the greater group of the country that DOES NOT WANT SINGLE PAYER as right wing is frankly stupid and exposes you yourself as a far left ideologue.  The only reason it isn't in this bill is because he knows it is political suicide.  That has nothing to do with what he wants.
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This is because of the same party who's leader once said "Everyone has healthcare, just go to an emergency room" that was Bush's "Let them eat cake" moment.




No one is denied emergency medical care, millions upon millions of poor people have medicaid and a many more millions qualify but haven't signed up.  Once again, this has nothing to do with the argument that Obama is of the far left.
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Economy: The economy is very hard to predict, people devote their lives to it, spend years in college studying it and have their livelihoods depend on predicting it, and still get it wrong. That being said the economy is showing positive signs of recovery, and as long as that trend continues you can't fault Obama or democrats on the economy. And he did somethings that were unnecessary and possibly harmful, but his strategy seemed to be throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. Somethings stuck, and thats a good thing. Nine years ago we were on track to having a surplus, then the GOP ruined the economy so badly (and gave away a surplus that didn't yet exist in tax cuts for the rich and 300 dollar checks for everyone else) that Obama had to continue to dig our debt hole to get the economy running again.




The economy is NOT showing much sign of recovery and the argument can be made that that failure is due to Obama.  Once again, this has nothing to do with the fact that Obama is a radical leftist.  But his scaring the living shit out of the business community with his demonizing rhetoric is almost certainly having a negative effect. His dubious solution to revive the economy?  Massive government spending.  Leftist.
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Obama might have done some things wrong, but at least he tried different things, unlike Bush who, when the economy was continuing to fail, tried the same policy of tax cuts over and over again.




What?  I might remind you that Bush didn't cut taxes EVER.  Nor did Congress cut taxes EVER.  They cut rates.  Tax revenues actually increased and the tax burden on the highest earners also increased while Bush was President.  But that has nothing to do with the argument that Obama is a leftist radical.
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Whats that saying? "Crazy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?"




Yes.  So let's get the government more off the back of business for a change and not more on it.
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You say Obama has been handed a victory in Iraq, yet you fail to remember had McCain gotten his way we would be there for the next 100 years.




Bullshit.  By the way, how long have we had troops in Germany and Japan and S. Korea.  Just asking.  Which also has nothing to do with Obama being a leftist.
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You also complain about the stimulus package, and I hear you, I am against wasteful government spending, but as I mentioned, it seems to have turned the economy around, and if you think Obama is the first one to be fiscally irresponsible, then you are sadly mistaken my friend. That has been happening all over the place, from both parties.




The stimulus package could not have done anything to turn the economy around, even if it is getting turned around, because hardly any of the money has been spent.  And no, I do not think that Obama is the first fiscally iresponsible President, just the most fiscally irresponsible President since that asshole Roosevelt.  Whihc does have something to do with the argument that he is a radical leftist.
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In fact the last time we were in the black was Clinton, a democrat.





A Republican Congress that in time forgot they were supposed to be Conservative.  Also war.
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I think Obama has his share of failures, mainly him refusing to reverse Bush-era power grabs as he promised.




Leftists crave power more than conservatives.  That's why he wants to run the country's businesses.  Did you know he even has a "Pay Czar"?  Leftist.
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But a wacky left wing extremist? Come on, he won't even legalize marijuana or fight for a public option.




I don't know why you think nanny state leftists will let you smoke dope.  Those are the assholes who banned trans fats in restaurants and want to outlaw cigarettes.
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No, he is just a normal politician with a darker tan.




No.  He is a radical leftist politician with a darker tan.


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Re: The person you voted for is a tool. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11022004 - 09/08/09 06:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Once again, you just state unfounded opinion as fact.

There is no evidence that America has "the best healthcare in the world" I am basing my figure of it being comparable to Turkey on what has been said by the World Health Organization that looks at many different factors.  Including length of life, quality of life, access to healthcare, and quality of said care.

If you are extremely rich or have an extremely good plan (that doesn't get dropped because of loop holes, as it often is) then America has good healthcare. However, despite spending more per capita on health care then all of the countries ahead of us, we still can not insure everyone. This is because of artificially inflated prices from the healthcare industry.

Also, you obviously have never been to the ER, because if you had you would know that prices are ridiculously high. 2000 dollars is not uncommon for just a minor problem. One third of all bankruptcies in America are due to medical issues.

Best Healthcare in the world? I think not. Just because Hannity tells you so doesn't make it true. Like I said "Let them eat cake."

Now you are trying to say Bush didn't cut taxes, even though he clearly did. In fact, besides the wars that was the defining point of his presidency. Just because you say something doesn't make it so, my friend. There was the "Economic GrowthTax Relief Reconciliation Act" EGTRRA and the "Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003" JGTRRA neither of which did what is stated in their title, in fact they did the exact opposite. You say revenues increased, but that is also a lie. EGTRRA lowered revenues 1.3 trillion over the next ten years. and JGTRRA increased the deficit by 340 billion.

I have never seen anything in his (Obama) policies or statements that make him a socialist or a communist. A true socialist, or people who study socialism would laugh at your accusation. He may be working to close the gap between the rich and poor, as any good president would. A Healthy country is one with large, wealthy middle class. Extreme rich and extreme poor (what we have been moving towards since 2000) is a sign of a weak economy, ala Mexico.

People act as if moving the Tax rate on the top earners from 32% to 39% is suddenly communist, as if there is some number in there, likely 35% that is the line for "communist"

You of course forget that it was around 60% when your boy Reagan was in office, I guess hes a communist too then? Someone should have told the U.S.S.R. maybe they wouldn't have been so scared of him then.

As for the economy, well you can put you head in the sand and hope that it is going down, of course one would wonder why you are rooting for the economy to be bad, when it helps all people of America for it to be doing good.

I guess you must have some political ideology that is keeping you from hoping for what is good for our country? You reveal yourself to be a lap dog of the right wing.

United States manufacturing has moved up for the first time in 18 months, U.S. auto sales jumped to their highest level in more then a year. And stocks have stabilized and moved upwards.

Unemployment is still high, but is slowing to a crawl and most experts think it will start to fall soon.

Of course you can just keep putting your head in the sand and say is isn't so, and then once that no longer works I'm sure you will find a way to give credit to a republican, even though it was a republican who got us into this mess.

As for government regulation, well just so you know it was Bush who lessened restrictions and fired inspectors on wall street. The result was a lot of shady goings on and the economic recession that Obama maybe just got us out of after a lot of spending.

Lassie-fair economics have been shown not to work. The result is slave level wages, child labor, dangerous work places, and a lower quality of life for all but the very top of society. Communism, of course does not work either. What is needed is a capitalist system with rules and regulations. Thats what we have, and thats how we got to be as strong as we are.

BTW, thanks to the finical mess we were in, we are no longer the most competitive economy in the world. That crown has been taken over by Sweden. A nation with high environmental standards, high regulation and universal healthcare.

Germany and Japan are far different situations then Iraq. They were both aggressive nations that raged a campaign against the rest of the world. In the case of Japan we were attacked directly. Iraq had no such thing, granted he did attack kuwait, but that was long ago, and Saddam had been broken by that point. He was weak and was not a threat to the U.S.

Besides, Japan and Germany want our bases there (or at least the government does, in Japan there is a segment of the population that dislikes the bases) because the bases create jobs in Germany and since Japan can't have a military due to the treaty signed after WWII.

We invaded Iraq, supposedly to find WMDs that were not there, we ruined people's lives, had thousands of our own soldiers killed and killed millions of Iraqi civilians.

All for nothing, its time we leave.

As for your assertion that the only reason Clinton was in the black was because of the Republican Congress, well you can cling to that false assertion, but the fact is once the Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency they raped and pillaged our resources until there was nothing left.

Once it became apparnent during the Clinton administration that there was going to be a surplus he warned that while we could spend some of it, or cut taxes slightly, since it was only a projected stimulus that we need to be prudent and careful with it.

Then Bush got into office, gave it all away before it existed and then started waging unnecessary wars on borrowed money. You republicans are all the same, you sat by idly while your guy raped the treasury and took away our rights. Now Obama does the same thing, and puts regulation on the industries that got us into this mess and required finical bail outs and now, all of a sudden, you guys are worried about our budget.

Republicans talk a good game about being fiscally conservative but they have never followed through.

Both parties want to spend other people's money like crazy. The only difference is Republicans like to blow stuff up with that money and democrats like to build infrastructure with it. Neither policy is sustainable but I prefer the later to the former.

Sorry, better luck next time.


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