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RonPaulVerm
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Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better..
#11005755 - 09/05/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Double tub, monotub, trays, outdoors, cakes, whatever Has anyone experienced a crappy pinset in the beginning only to see a latter good or great pinset?
Would anyone with experience recommend picking early mature fruits in hopes of getting an even/abundant pinset?
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11005783 - 09/05/09 07:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have, I do. When the first 'flush' is in, even if it's a few fruits, go ahead and harvest everything (except pins) like it's a real flush. Then the second flush can come in more evenly and often will do much better. A dunk will help. Other times you'll get a tub that doesn't really flush, but just keeps dribbling out a few mushrooms a day for a while. Wait and see how it goes.
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: Doc_T]
#11005834 - 09/05/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I typically get a wicked 1st flush.
My 2nd flushes are usually not all that amazing.
My 3rd and 4th flushes are pretty damn good.
Ya think that 'maybe' you're fruiting too early and the tray is still trying to colonize while inside the FC? That or 'maybe' there wasn't enough water/moisture in the bulk sub to begin with? I don't know.
Edited by NineInchNails (09/05/09 07:57 PM)
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: Doc_T]
#11005840 - 09/05/09 07:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oops ... double post.
Edited by NineInchNails (09/05/09 07:58 PM)
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RonPaulVerm
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: NineInchNails]
#11005852 - 09/05/09 07:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never said I'm fruiting anything right now, but thanks for the good intentions. I'm just interested in others' experiences Experience = truth
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Spawn I Want: Corcyceps Sp., Cauliflower Mushrooms, Agaricus species (Portobello), Pink Oyster, Piopinno, ...anything else you might have
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: NineInchNails]
#11005878 - 09/05/09 08:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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NineInchNails said: Ya think that 'maybe' you're fruiting too early and the tray is still trying to colonize while inside the FC? That or 'maybe' there wasn't enough water/moisture in the bulk sub to begin with? I don't know.
Some form of mismanagement of pinning strategy, usually. Yep. Sometimes genetics. Depends, I guess. Two identical tubs can react totally differently to pinning triggers.
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: Doc_T]
#11005909 - 09/05/09 08:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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NineInchNails said: Ya think that 'maybe' you're fruiting too early and the tray is still trying to colonize while inside the FC? That or 'maybe' there wasn't enough water/moisture in the bulk sub to begin with? I don't know.
Some form of mismanagement of pinning strategy, usually. Yep. Sometimes genetics. Depends, I guess. Two identical tubs can react totally differently to pinning triggers.
True ... very true.
I must have misread the point of the thread and tried to help pinpoint the problem 
I definitely agree with what you said previously. I'd pick any mature fruits and be tempted to give it a dunk. I'd want to assume that lack of moisture could be the cultrate (given that all other fruiting parameters were ideal).
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: NineInchNails]
#11005929 - 09/05/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd dunk. You pick, you dunk.
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: Doc_T]
#11006014 - 09/05/09 08:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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NineInchNails said: Ya think that 'maybe' you're fruiting too early and the tray is still trying to colonize while inside the FC? That or 'maybe' there wasn't enough water/moisture in the bulk sub to begin with? I don't know.
Some form of mismanagement of pinning strategy, usually. Yep. Sometimes genetics. Depends, I guess. Two identical tubs can react totally differently to pinning triggers.
Identical down to the DNA?
Surely not?
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: badman]
#11006036 - 09/05/09 08:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, no- identical besides genetics. I am pretty well practiced with the methods I use, I do it the same every time. I've got two strains going right now, one does sharp distinct flushes, one doesn't. Same substrate, conditions, lights, temps, etc. I even move them around inside the greenhouse.
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: Doc_T]
#11008083 - 09/06/09 05:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose MS is the culprit then, god i hate MS now.
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: badman]
#11008095 - 09/06/09 06:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing to hate- multispore is the necessary first step. Now isolate a clone.
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: Doc_T]
#11008154 - 09/06/09 06:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good Point, but I've noticed no matter what 'strain' if its MS then the flushes are much more sporadic
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anonjon
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: Doc_T]
#11008166 - 09/06/09 06:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Other times you'll get a tub that doesn't really flush, but just keeps dribbling out a few mushrooms a day for a while.
What would you do in this case? Keep picking em til they stop, or just dunk early and try for a good 2nd flush?
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: anonjon]
#11010881 - 09/06/09 06:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just pick them as they are ready. There's no point stressin' when a proper flush isn't what you get
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RonPaulVerm
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: badman]
#11011273 - 09/06/09 07:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would agree. I thought this thread was interesting http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5270737&page=&vc=1
It's a convo between 4 TC's and omnicracker had the problem of casing layer not colonizing but around the edges were.
So in his case (based on our thread;s conclusion) he should pick his early fruits (stress free) on the side and patiently wait for his casing layer to colonize... then from there, the colonized casing layer will form hyphae and then pins. Correct?
-------------------- Spawn I Have: Blewitt, Reishi, Maitake, Chicken of the Woods, Parasol, Shaggy Mane, King, Blue and Gold Oyster, Shiitake, King Stropharia, Lions Mane, Almond Portabello, Elm Oyster, Phoenix Oyster, Nameko, Enoki, White Beech,
Spawn I Want: Corcyceps Sp., Cauliflower Mushrooms, Agaricus species (Portobello), Pink Oyster, Piopinno, ...anything else you might have
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11011321 - 09/06/09 07:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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RonPaulVerm said: So in his case (based on our thread;s conclusion) he should pick his early fruits (stress free) on the side and patiently wait for his casing layer to colonize... then from there, the colonized casing layer will form hyphae and then pins. Correct?
It's difficult to switch mycelium back to colonizing once you start fruiting it. Takes a while, sometimes doesn't work at all. In a case like that, I'd probably take it out the Shed of Abandoned Tubs and let it fruit however it wanted to.
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: Doc_T]
#11011383 - 09/06/09 07:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: In a case like that, I'd probably take it out the Shed of Abandoned Tubs and let it fruit however it wanted to.
hehe, got a picture of that shed?
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Re: Anyone experience weak/early pinset followed by better.. [Re: anonjon]
#11011399 - 09/06/09 07:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not a good one. But the outside of it shows up on Google Maps, if you know where to look.
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