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Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers?
    #11010025 - 09/06/09 03:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

cuz there was this poster that said worst ways to die
and had a lots of funny pictures with a bunny dieing
and one had a pic of a bunny with like 100 cigs in its mouth
and my friend said
hey wait thats not a way to die
and i was like ya its gonna kill u eventually or decrease ur life at least
and she wouldnt have it
she thought only a small percentage of ppl die from cigs
but it at least kills u a lil and makes ur life less quality for the last few years
i thought ppl who smoked new the dangers and jus didnt care
but i guess theres still ppl who are ignorant to the lethal effex :shrug:



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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010033 - 09/06/09 03:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, she sounds like she is in denial.
But some people just don't give a fuck, and you gotta respect that about a person sometimes.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010037 - 09/06/09 03:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Obviously there's both ignorant ones, and the risk takers. :shrug:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010046 - 09/06/09 03:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

People who smoke just no give a fuck. I don't mind ppl who smoke, just don't particularly like smoking.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Frost]
    #11010050 - 09/06/09 03:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Its not the nicotine that kills. Its the smoking!


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: clemens]
    #11010053 - 09/06/09 03:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno, all tobacco products carry a Surgeon General's warning. :shrug:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Poid]
    #11010060 - 09/06/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i need to quit. it is depressing (at least for me) knowing that im destroying my body. :smoker:

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: subiedude]
    #11010061 - 09/06/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: clemens]
    #11010062 - 09/06/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Its not the nicotine that kills. Its the smoking!



This is why snuz as won capitalism. Quite literally, they won. :minigun:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010065 - 09/06/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

well it is a rarity not to die from the effects of cigs from years of use man
one of my aunts have been smoking for 40 years
went to the doctor about a month ago and nothing came up in her lungs
no cancer anywhere, nothing
and we are talking packs a day here, not a little cig here and there
like i said people end up with tarr'ed lungs from 25+ years and die of some sort of cancer
all i gotta say is..
keeep god in your life


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010066 - 09/06/09 03:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

right now i only smoke cigs to help deal with quitting weed long enough to get a job
it's been almost a week without herb, in about another week ill drop cigs to
ive quit cigs before so it should be np

i used to just not give a fuck about dying from cigs, but then i realized i actually do want to be on this earth as long as possible and dont want cigs to hinder that. so now im only doing it to help with quitting herb

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    #11010069 - 09/06/09 03:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010071 - 09/06/09 03:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Your bitch chose me you aint a pimp, you a fairy!


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: clemens]
    #11010078 - 09/06/09 03:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

We (smokers) usually start smoking at an age too young to realize what we get ourselves into. And at that point we're addicted.

I have to assume that there are ignorant individuals who smoke, but most of us do it because of the addiction...question answered...


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AereolaBorialis]
    #11010083 - 09/06/09 03:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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We (smokers) usually start smoking at an age too young to realize what we get ourselves into. And at that point we're addicted.

I have to assume that there are ignorant individuals who smoke, but most of us do it because of the addiction...question answered...





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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11010084 - 09/06/09 03:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Are people who inject ketamine ignorant, or just risk takers?



All the people I've slammed with are totally informed
k is one of the safest anethetics
thats y they give it to ppl who have no medical history
and they inject ketamine intravenously into sick people every single hour for an entire week straight to reset their nervous sytem
:syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe: :syringe:


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    #11010088 - 09/06/09 03:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010089 - 09/06/09 03:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

IMO most people are young and ignorant when they start and its too late/too difficult to stop once they realize how harmful they really are

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Fort Mushroom]
    #11010116 - 09/06/09 03:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i'm in denile. :yesnod:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11010129 - 09/06/09 03:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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but you aren't sick.



I'm a pretty sick individual :evil2:


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    #11010136 - 09/06/09 03:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11010218 - 09/06/09 03:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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ur doing it wrong

just like these people


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: clemens]
    #11010226 - 09/06/09 03:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

slammin cut meth or tar or w.e he was doin is far diff than pharm grade k lol


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010460 - 09/06/09 04:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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slammin cut meth or tar or w.e he was doin is far diff than pharm grade k lol




I thought it was an infection from using that spot so many times.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AmericanPsycho]
    #11010469 - 09/06/09 04:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010472 - 09/06/09 04:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i only use hiv needles


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010906 - 09/06/09 06:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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cuz there was this poster that said worst ways to die
and had a lots of funny pictures with a bunny dieing
and one had a pic of a bunny with like 100 cigs in its mouth
and my friend said
hey wait thats not a way to die
and i was like ya its gonna kill u eventually or decrease ur life at least
and she wouldnt have it
she thought only a small percentage of ppl die from cigs
but it at least kills u a lil and makes ur life less quality for the last few years
i thought ppl who smoked new the dangers and jus didnt care
but i guess theres still ppl who are ignorant to the lethal effex :shrug:






oh shut up, you post in ODD that you are trying crack for the first time and you are here worried about cigarettes?

i find cigarettes pointless, and i have better things to spend my money on.

i like a good cigar, and i have a small nice humidor that meets my needs. i however only smoke those occasionally, and if i am going to spend money for the drug tobacco i expect quality, and i dont buy expensive ass cigars, but i do love one every now and then, and they feel good.

cigarettes, they seem pointless and taste not great. for 4-5 bucks a pack i can get a good cigar and really enjoy it.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11010948 - 09/06/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i love my smokes, they can have my old age shitty pants years, i don't give a fuck.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AcidDropper420]
    #11010961 - 09/06/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe they just want a smoke?


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: gzuf]
    #11011468 - 09/06/09 08:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Humans are extremely poor at making long term decisions... but then again, here I am as a smoker.  Although... haven't smoked today at all - although I have smoked some hookah.  Trying to break the nicotine habit with hookah replacement on the assumption that hookah has far less nicotine than hookah and I dont do it throughout the day. :kingtard:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #11011867 - 09/06/09 09:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Coaster said:
cuz there was this poster that said worst ways to die
and had a lots of funny pictures with a bunny dieing
and one had a pic of a bunny with like 100 cigs in its mouth
and my friend said
hey wait thats not a way to die
and i was like ya its gonna kill u eventually or decrease ur life at least
and she wouldnt have it
she thought only a small percentage of ppl die from cigs
but it at least kills u a lil and makes ur life less quality for the last few years
i thought ppl who smoked new the dangers and jus didnt care
but i guess theres still ppl who are ignorant to the lethal effex :shrug:






oh shut up, you post in ODD that you are trying crack for the first time and you are here worried about cigarettes?

i find cigarettes pointless, and i have better things to spend my money on.

i like a good cigar, and i have a small nice humidor that meets my needs. i however only smoke those occasionally, and if i am going to spend money for the drug tobacco i expect quality, and i dont buy expensive ass cigars, but i do love one every now and then, and they feel good.

cigarettes, they seem pointless and taste not great. for 4-5 bucks a pack i can get a good cigar and really enjoy it.



I smoke to get high not to die:teacher:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11011898 - 09/06/09 09:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

ya, but you failed at smoking crack, like, its not that hard:tard:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AcidDropper420]
    #11011925 - 09/06/09 09:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I discovered the chemical reaction to make crack :dancingbear:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11011937 - 09/06/09 09:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

baking soda, cocaine.


wow, your a fucking genius.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AcidDropper420]
    #11012090 - 09/06/09 10:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

u no how long it took the shamans to figure out to mix calcium carbonate with yopo seeds
ya didnt thnk so


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11012107 - 09/06/09 10:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:facepalm:

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11012128 - 09/06/09 10:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I have friends that smoke and some that don't.  What ever happens happens:shrug:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11012215 - 09/06/09 10:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Coaster said:
cuz there was this poster that said worst ways to die
and had a lots of funny pictures with a bunny dieing
and one had a pic of a bunny with like 100 cigs in its mouth
and my friend said
hey wait thats not a way to die
and i was like ya its gonna kill u eventually or decrease ur life at least
and she wouldnt have it
she thought only a small percentage of ppl die from cigs
but it at least kills u a lil and makes ur life less quality for the last few years
i thought ppl who smoked new the dangers and jus didnt care
but i guess theres still ppl who are ignorant to the lethal effex :shrug:






Humans are ignorant as fuck. Since we don't have the ability to see what our lungs like, people don't really understand the dangers of smoking. Many of us know people who smoke, and they appear 100% okay, despite them having to leave the room every hour for a 'smoke'.

We seem to be a society that believes in what we see, more than 'facts'. If cigarettes automatically made people faint after the first puff-then you'd see some change...but until then, society is going to keep smoking and smoking until 'Doc' diagnoses them with emphysema and they are forced to quit.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11012284 - 09/06/09 11:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I smoke because I enjoy it, and I don't give a fuck.
PS I've been sick once in the past 14 years and I don't go to the doctor or take prescription anything really.
So I consider that pretty good, considering I know non smokers who get sick every other week :haha:
I don't care if smoking makes me live to 78 instead of 84... if I live past 50 it will be a miracle anyway.
I'm 27 and by all accounts I should have been dead about 5 years ago. So every day past 30 will be like shizaBAM.
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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11012339 - 09/06/09 11:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Most smokers know that its unhealthy. But is enjoyable and its also addictive, both of these things combine to make it hard to quit.

Edited by DimensionX (09/06/09 11:18 PM)

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: DimensionX]
    #11012442 - 09/06/09 11:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Cigarettes are suicide for passive people.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Rustifer]
    #11012564 - 09/07/09 12:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

shroomism gets it, we smoke because we like to, so fuck off.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AcidDropper420]
    #11012581 - 09/07/09 12:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I figured it out. We're ignorant risk takers and we like it that way. We can end the discussion now.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: blazenn]
    #11012585 - 09/07/09 12:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i like you.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AcidDropper420]
    #11012590 - 09/07/09 12:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

you eff off

I smoke a pack a day.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11012608 - 09/07/09 12:34 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I don't smoke, on the account that I think it's a fucking stupid thing to do.

I do however, fully support the choice of people to do whatever fucking stupid things they'd like to their own bodies.


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    #11012610 - 09/07/09 12:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AcidDropper420]
    #11012613 - 09/07/09 12:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Why thank you.
Now I must go have a smoke
:cig:



Edit: lol 1 month? im pretty sure you only think you're addicted. i doubt you'd be niccing if you didn't have a smoke all day tomorrow

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: blazenn]
    #11012636 - 09/07/09 12:41 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

LOL, the addicts are getting all sensitive- this is hilarious.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Neuron]
    #11012639 - 09/07/09 12:42 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:whatever:


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Neuron]
    #11012645 - 09/07/09 12:43 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

it was a joke.

and why are you even here, all you do is talk shit?

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Rustifer]
    #11012650 - 09/07/09 12:44 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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it was a joke.

and why are you even here, all you do is talk shit?




Well see, that is why I am here. That is why I exist.

EDIT: I am apparently unhappy with my life at the moment.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11012653 - 09/07/09 12:45 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I hate cigs but I also love them 2 pacs a day are killing me softly with there love. every time I try to quite all I can think about is how bad I want one tell I brake down to the temptation. been smoking 16 years and I am only 29 and I can deffinitly tell they are taking a toll on me. I some times wish they would be out lawed because I fill that may be the only way I could quit.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Rustifer]
    #11012658 - 09/07/09 12:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

To non-smokers, I have this to show you.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: schonta]
    #11012659 - 09/07/09 12:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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schonta said:
I hate cigs but I also love them 2 pacs a day are killing me softly with there love. every time I try to quite all I can think about is how bad I want one tell I brake down to the temptation. been smoking 16 years and I am only 29 and I can deffinitly tell they are taking a toll on me. I some times wish they would be out lawed because I fill that may be the only way I could quit.




Sounds like you got it under control.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Neuron]
    #11012678 - 09/07/09 12:53 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

holy fuck that guy is so funny!

never heard of bill hicks before, will definatly be checking some more stuff out.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: AcidDropper420]
    #11012698 - 09/07/09 12:57 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah man Bill Hicks is definately my favorite comedian of all time, his bits are very much worth checking out. You can find pretty much anything recorded of him on youtube.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: blazenn]
    #11012705 - 09/07/09 12:58 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

He's alright, he certainly had his moments.


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11012889 - 09/07/09 02:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I am a smoker and have been for a few years now. I gotta admit that I started smoking to look cool, but now I really do enjoy it. I have had many chances to quit but really have had no want to quit. I know how bad it is and I'm not ignorant, I guess I'm just one of those smokers who dont give a fuck, plus smoking cigarettes under the influence of almost all substances can be very enjoyable and the tiny bit of added light headedness is always quite a delight, not to mention hallucinating while smoking under a blacklight =D

oh, its my first post, i guess im busting my post cherry here =D


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: clemens]
    #11013566 - 09/07/09 08:26 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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clemens said:
Its not the nicotine that kills. Its the smoking!





Oh, is that so?

Then why is it that cannabis doesn't kill huh?
Cannabis has much more tar, yet it is actually beneficial to the lungs to smoke it, as it is a bronchiodilatior.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: The Centre]
    #11013597 - 09/07/09 08:41 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i believe the answer to the question is that cigarette smokers just want a fucking cigarette


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: The Centre]
    #11013627 - 09/07/09 08:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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clemens said:
Its not the nicotine that kills. Its the smoking!





Oh, is that so?

Then why is it that cannabis doesn't kill huh?
Cannabis has much more tar



Rest assured that smoking any plant may cause cancer. Yes, that includes cannabis (hate to break your bubble). And although nicotine is a poison, it is extremely rare that a smoker succumbs to the direct effects of the nicotine itself; it's usually the problems resulting from inhaling smoke.
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yet it is actually beneficial to the lungs to smoke it, as it is a bronchiodilatior.



As an asthmatic, I can explain to you in detail how short-lived this effect is and what the long-term effects on the lungs are of smoking (even pure) cannabis. In short: "not so good". Vaporizing and eating are much better ways.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: koraks]
    #11014636 - 09/07/09 01:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

As a fellow asthmatic for the last 10 years of my life not a single med any doc has given me has helped me to breathe as well as cannabis, regardless how long I took the daily meds. Smoking any plant matter may cause cancer, but the bronchodialation from weed smoke helps expand your lungs and clears out any dead/cancerous cells that may be inhibiting your lungs. Hate to break your bubble.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: blazenn]
    #11014691 - 09/07/09 01:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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As a fellow asthmatic for the last 10 years of my life not a single med any doc has given me has helped me to breathe as well as cannabis, regardless how long I took the daily meds.




That's a pity. Formoterol works very good for me, much better than cannabis; it provides instant relief, lasting up to 14 hours and it continues to be effective after long periods of use. But without the dangerous side effects of smoking plant matter. Regrettably also without stonedness, of course.

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Smoking any plant matter may cause cancer, but the bronchodialation from weed smoke helps expand your lungs and clears out any dead/cancerous cells that may be inhibiting your lungs. Hate to break your bubble.



For the latter statement, I would like to see some support. I'm critical towards it and I'm yet unaware of any reliable studies that would warrant such a claim.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: koraks]
    #11014709 - 09/07/09 01:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Rest assured that smoking any plant may cause cancer. Yes, that includes cannabis (hate to break your bubble).




"a new study in the journal Cancer Prevention Research, which found that marijuana smokers have a lower risk of head and neck cancers than people who don’t smoke marijuana"

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/142121/more_evidence_that_marijuana_prevents_cancer/


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11014718 - 09/07/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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i believe the answer to the question is that cigarette smokers just want a fucking cigarette




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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: koraks]
    #11014774 - 09/07/09 01:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.cannabisnews.org/united-states-cannabis-news/smoking-marijuana-does-not-cause-lung-cancer/




"THC has been shown to promote apoptosis (damaged cells die instead of reproducing) and to counter angiogenesis (the process by which blood vessels are formed —a requirement of tumor growth). Other antioxidants in cannabis may also be involved in countering malignancy, said Tashkin."

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Coaster]
    #11015008 - 09/07/09 02:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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koraks said:
Rest assured that smoking any plant may cause cancer. Yes, that includes cannabis (hate to break your bubble).




"a new study in the journal Cancer Prevention Research, which found that marijuana smokers have a lower risk of head and neck cancers than people who don�t smoke marijuana"

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/142121/more_evidence_that_marijuana_prevents_cancer/



From that source:
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Tobacco smokers who also smoked marijuana were at slightly lower risk of getting lung cancer than tobacco-only smokers.



Although undoubtedly significant, it remains questionable if a 'slightly lower risk' can be replicated in any further research.

However, I find this bit on COPD particularly interesting:
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Tashkin and colleagues at UCLA conducted a major study in which they measured lung function of various cohorts over eight years and found that tobacco-only smokers had an accelerated rate of decline, but marijuana smokers –even if they smoked tobacco as well– experienced the same rate of decline as non-smokers.



That's interesting. I wish I could share that observation in my own case.

@blazenn: see above; you essentially quote the same source. The remarks regarding THC are interesting and they're new to me. Some care must be taken towards drawing conclusions based on the remarks regarding anti-oxidants. Some anti-oxidants have been shown to act as pro-oxidants in some cases by studies back in the early nineties as well as recent studies.

Viewing this piece of research critically, I'd say this leaves a neutral effect of cannabis smoking with regard to lung cancer in non-tobacco smokers and at best a slight improvement in tobacco smokers. The results with regard to other forms of cancer are actually more interesting. I wonder what role stress plays in that story and the stress-reducing effects of cannabis.

Thanks for supporting your claims. I learned something today.

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: koraks]
    #11015395 - 09/07/09 03:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

expensive and with the same money you should buy weed


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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: koraks]
    #11016059 - 09/07/09 05:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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clemens said:
Its not the nicotine that kills. Its the smoking!





Oh, is that so?

Then why is it that cannabis doesn't kill huh?
Cannabis has much more tar



Rest assured that smoking any plant may cause cancer. Yes, that includes cannabis (hate to break your bubble). And although nicotine is a poison, it is extremely rare that a smoker succumbs to the direct effects of the nicotine itself; it's usually the problems resulting from inhaling smoke.




Cannabis (and THC specifically) has powerful anticancer properties that are not yet well understood.

Yes, cannabis smoke contains many of the same carcinogens and suspected carcinogens that are found in tobacco smoke (the notable¬eworthy exceptions being the TSNs that are present in tobacco - these are what cause cancer in users of dip/chew. Snus, the only form of oral tobacco which is associated with zero increased risk of cancer, is specially fermented to have extremely low concentrations of TSNs).  But the fact is, smoking anything can cause cancers to develope; the combustion byproducts inevitably include PAHs, which have a tendency to be carcinogenic, mutagenic, and/or teratogenic.

It's even been demonstrated the smoking cannabis causes precancerous lesions in the lungs.  When Tashkin and his group undertook the study koraks just quoted, he very fully expected to find a link between cannabis smoking and cancer.  For years he had been trying to link cannabis with cancer, and thought he'd all but put the nail in the coffin when he demonstrated that it causes precancerous lesions.

But the cool thing is, THC (and possibly other cannabinoids) are such powerful anticancer agents that they prevent these precancerous lesions from becoming cancerous masses. No increased risk of cancer from smoking cannabis .
Neat stuff, THC.:thumbup:

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Re: Are cig smokers ignorant or jus risk takers? [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11018227 - 09/08/09 12:10 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i dont even buy the precancerous lesions as valid.


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