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Glycerin: pre-industrialization?
#11006828 - 09/05/09 10:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you haven't heard of glycerin look it up real quick. It's in cosmetics and some foods and more The way it's manufactured is very industrialized however, the products they are in have been around for a long time (i.e. soap)
So do you think there were ways of creating glycerin before mechanized lifestyle took off and laboratory chemistry expanded?
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11006848 - 09/05/09 11:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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ever1 thinks of weird but the nastiest food addative to me is shellac. its made from crushed bugs dewd no one seems to care though
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11006857 - 09/05/09 11:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11006920 - 09/05/09 11:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe. There's vegetable glycerin, but I don't know how it is manufactured...
I must admit, that my knowledge of glycerin is probably not what it should be...
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: Papaver]
#11006930 - 09/05/09 11:15 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i just avoid glycerin at all costs. i hear its some nasty stuff
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#11007136 - 09/05/09 11:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Glycerin is prevalent in higher plants and seaweed and in animals. In humans glycerin is accumulated subcutaneously or in muscle tissue in the form of lipids. Substances for which fatty acids are ester-bonded to all three hydroxyl groups in the glycerin structure are known as lipids or oils and fats. There are two types of glycerin: natural glycerin derived from oils and fats from such sources as coconuts, and synthetic glycerin derived from petroleum. In the manufacture of natural glycerin, normally crude glycerin is produced by first refining and condensing an aqueous solution (sweet water) obtained from hydrolysis of oils and fats, then further distilling and refining the solution until arriving at the finished product. At present, because of the need to reuse resources, natural glycerin is the predominate type manufactured worldwide.
source: http://www.sy-kogyo.co.jp/english/sei/1_gly.html
SO it's natural and syntehtic, but ultimately to get glycerin you need to process the crap out of oils and fats. You guys think there were primitive form of hydrolysis? haha
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11007552 - 09/06/09 01:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good info!
Now, is there any way I can extract the glycerin in my own fats to use in my e-cigarettes?
I'm trying to become more self-sufficient and unplug myself from the grid. I already make my own milk and video-games...
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11007974 - 09/06/09 04:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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So do you think there were ways of creating glycerin before mechanized lifestyle took off and laboratory chemistry expanded?
Of course! Burn wood, to cook food. Shake the ashes out with water and concentrate this liquid. This is chiefly a potash solution (K2CO3). Then take oil or fat (could be spent cooking grease) and cook this with the potash solution. Now you have soap + glycerin. Add salt (sea/rock) and the soap crashes out of solution in a rather pure form.
Then, concentrate the solution. Salts precipitate and crude glycerin remains.
To make soap (luxuriously with glycerin) all you need is firewood and any plant/animal fat and some water. The soap you get is akin to that oldfashioned yellowish/brownish soap jelly used for cleaning.
Thats how they used to do it.
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: Asante]
#11008001 - 09/06/09 04:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Thats how they used to do it.
So they could use it in their neolithic cosmetic products?
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: Papaver]
#11008008 - 09/06/09 04:47 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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In those days, the tribes that were in the know used soapwort. basically roots, you dry them, crush them up, mix with water and: lather!
Its interesting how our ancient ancestors and similar evolutionary forks are portrayed as white people. We came from Africa, were dark skinned and some of us lost pigment over time while others gained some.
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: Asante]
#11008246 - 09/06/09 07:49 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Add salt (sea/rock) and the soap crashes out of solution in a rather pure form.
what do you mean "crashes" out of the solution?
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Then, concentrate the solution. Salts precipitate and crude glycerin remains.
Would it be too much to explain the concentrating process? And in that process you're saying the salts will evaporate?
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: RonPaulVerm]
#11008979 - 09/06/09 11:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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what do you mean "crashes" out of the solution?
It becomes a separate layer from the water.
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Would it be too much to explain the concentrating process?
Boiling
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And in that process you're saying the salts will evaporate?
Not evaporate, precipitate. As the solution becomes mostly glycerin, most salts will be for the most part insoluble. You can filter them out. What remains is crude glycerin with some dissolved salts in it.
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Re: Glycerin: pre-industrialization? [Re: Asante]
#11009037 - 09/06/09 12:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the basic info Wiccan_seeker I love most of the links in your signature. Except some I haven't seen or read yet
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