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Cuba facing toilet paper shortage
#11007054 - 09/05/09 11:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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News from the dirty backside of communism's last outpost in our neck of the woods:
There's good news and bad news in Cuba.
The bad news: There's a shortage of toilet paper, and officials in Havana say it will not ease until the end of the year.
The good news: Day-old copies of the Communist party's newspaper Granma, a traditional substitute, are available for less than a U.S. penny. And that's six to eight full, if rough, pages per day.
Cuban officials say the shortage is the result of the global financial crisis and three devastating hurricanes last summer, which forced cuts in imports as well as domestic production because of reductions in electricity and imports of raw materials.
But CNN commentator Fareed Zakaria says that ``at the bottom of this toilet paper shortage is Cuba's continuing commitment to its bizarro world of socialist economics.''
``Cuba's disastrous economy would be a joke were it not for the poverty it has perpetuated among millions of Cubans,'' Zakaria said in a video commentary posted last week. ``The whole country is stagnating. Fifty percent of its arable fields are going unfarmed. First and second year college students work one month out of the year in agriculture.''
``It's insane farm policies lead to frequent shortages of fruit, vegetables and other basic food needs, shortages even more serious than toilet paper,'' he added. ``And all those programs that they have held up for years as successes of the communist revolution -- free education for all through college, universal health care -- well, Raúl Castro just announced they're going to have to make cuts in all of these.''
``Meanwhile the average Cuban still earns less than . . . $20 per month,'' he concluded. ``Now, capitalism has its problems, as we have all seen. But at least we're not running out of toilet paper.''
The toilet paper shortage is no joking matter for Cubans.
Toilet paper is not included in the ration card that covers basic goods at highly subsidized prices, so Cubans have long been forced to buy their supplies at so-called ``hard currency stores'' or use alternatives -- Chinese and North Korean magazines have been a favorite because of their soft paper.
On Tuesday, a pack of four Cuban-manufactured toilet paper rolls was selling in Havana stores for the equivalent of about 28 pesos, or about two days' salary for the average worker.
``Right now almost all the stores are out of it, and it's a miracle that I found it,'' said a Havana retiree, who asked for anonymity to avoid problems with authorities, in a telephone interview from Miami.
Cuban officials quoted earlier this month in the official Radio Rebelde predicted ``an important importation of toilet paper'' by the end of the year ``to supply this demand that today is presenting problems.''
The Productos Sanitarios Proa factory in Matanzas province also produces toilet paper, branded ``hygienic and ecological.'' Many Cuban factories have suffered from shortages of imported raw materials and government-forced closings to save on electricity.
But the government-imposed closings of factories and offices to save on electricity may ironically also be helping to resolve the toilet paper shortage, according to the Havana retiree.
Many copies of Granma and other newspapers sent to distribution points for later delivery to factories and offices are not being picked up when the intended recipients are closed, the retiree said, and are being sold to anyone else.
Lots of retirees, he added, are hitting pre-dawn lines at those distribution points to buy 10-15 copies of both daily and older versions of the newspapers for bathroom use, wrapping garbage and other household uses.
The retirees pay 20 Cuban cents per copy -- about .007 U.S. cents -- and re-sell it to neighbors for up to 20 Cuban pesos, or about 71 U.S. cents.
The price of 20 Cuban cents per copy is the same for the day's edition and old copies, the retiree said, ``because they all have the same use.''
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/cuba/story/1203953.html
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: zorbman]
#11007068 - 09/05/09 11:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol it's going to be a "shitty" place this year have you ever heard of leaves? natures toilet paper.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: zorbman]
#11011588 - 09/06/09 08:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL.
Standard Leftie reaction - when faced with irrefutable proof of the abysmal failure of Collectivist policies, immediately try to change the subject.
"Well, yeah.... Cubans have run out of toilet paper, but that's okay because they have almost nothing to eat anyway, so they just need two or three sheets per day. And that's a GOOD thing! Meanwhile, Americans are fat and lazy and wasteful and blah blah blah so of course they need more toilet paper, which is why it is so overabundant in America."
Don't ever change, d00d.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Phred]
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Fact #1: America is the world leader in per capita toilet paper consumption.
If true, what does that have to do with the Commie Cuban government's inability to provide even the "two or three squares a day" that Cuban citizens supposedly consume?
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Fact #2: America is the most overweight & obese society on earth.
If true (and it isn't... several European countries now have just as high a proportion of obese people as the US, but don't bother arguing the point in this thread, because it really doesn't matter), what does that have to do with the Commie Cuban government's inability to provide even the "two or three squares a day" that Cuban citizens supposedly consume?
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Fact #3: You need very little if any toilet paper if you eat a healthy diet (i.e. real food), which isn't synonymous with a scarce diet.
If true (and it isn't, according to several of the "colon-cleansing" health-food gurus who insist that healthy human feces should not be hard little round balls that need no ass-wiping afterwards, but should instead be roughly the consistency of peanut butter - but don't bother arguing the point in this thread, because it really doesn't matter), what does that have to do with the Commie Cuban government's inability to provide even the "two or three squares a day" that Cuban citizens supposedly consume?
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Fact #4: You can use a washcloth instead of toilet paper to be more environmental & economical.
For all we know, there is an even greater shortage of washcloths in Cuba than of toilet paper.
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Fact #5: Fact #4 is not "gross" because if Fact #3 is adhered to, then you barely get anything on it. When you do get a little, you just put the sink-stop down, wash your hands with soap & warm water like you would anyways, throw in a little baking soda & wash the cloth for 10-30 seconds; rinse & hang to dry for the next time.
Absolutely fascinating. But - just like the rest of your comments - it is as big an evasion of the real issue illustrated by the opening post as all the rest of your responses so far.
The fact of the matter is that your beloved Commies can't even supply toilet paper to their people. Note that this was also true of the USSR. They can't supply plenty of other stuff, either, but the toilet paper issue is being highlighted because it is so ridiculously cheap and easy to produce. Or to buy. The point being that if they are too fucked up to even produce sufficient toilet paper, they are quite obviously too fucked up to produce more sophisticated (and necessary) stuff.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Phred]
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There is a shortage of toilet paper under capitalism. Anyone who doubts it has never had to tuck a roll into their pant leg and run out of the nearest corner store. The way the capitalist world treats students and others whom cannot work enough is miserable.
Frankly I think this is the free market working within the communist structure to resolve a simple production issue. I think that rather than criticize, the world should just step back and let them handle their own shit.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: ScavengerType]
#11051435 - 09/13/09 12:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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You guys know that the embargo against Cuba only applies to the federal government, not individual states, right?
Free Trade With Cuba
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According the Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries, the state of Alabama has exported between $100 to $120 million worth of agricultural goods to Cuba each of the past 4 years. Current legislation allows for the sale of humanitarian and agricultural goods to Cuba. However, under the current restrictions Cuban importers must pay up front before the cargo can be shipped from the U.S. to Cuba. The U.S. International Trade Commission estimates that the embargo costs the U.S. $1.2 billion annually in lost export revenue. According to a 2005 Texas A&M study, the state of Alabama currently accounts for almost 1/3 of total trade between the U.S. and Cuba and it is reasonable to assume that Alabama farmers are currently facing a trade shortfall of over $300 million a year due to the embargo. Removing the embargo would significantly increase the trade revenue of the state. The main items that Alabama currently sends to Cuba are poultry, timber, utility poles, lumber, soybeans, eggs, and catfish.
Cuba currently accounts for over 25% of the total revenue of Alabama exports. The port of Mobile is only 600 nautical miles from Cuba and would see a significant increase in traffic should the embargo be rescinded. A 2007 Auburn University study found that a removal of the embargo would also “result in an increased demand for Alabama business services. Service industries that will enjoy increased demand include engineering, construction, shipping, transport, banking, finance, insurance, consulting, and higher education.”
So my guess is, if Cuba forks over some money tonight, they can have their toilet paper sent from Mobile and it'll be there by tomorrow evening.
there was already a thread about this a while ago
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Mchaggis]
#11051782 - 09/13/09 01:15 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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So my guess is, if Cuba forks over some money tonight, they can have their toilet paper sent from Mobile and it'll be there by tomorrow evening.
It's even easier than that, seeing as how no other country in the world has a trade embargo with Cuba. Cuba could easily buy toilet paper from... oh... I don't know... Venezuela, for example. After all, Chavez and the Castros are bosom buddies. Why you believe that only the United States is capable of producing toilet paper for export is beyond me.
The real reason Cuba doesn't buy t.p. from Venezuela (or anywhere else) is because they can't. They have no money. They're flat busted Skint. Bankrupt. Because they've been run by Commies for over half a century. Even Comrade EntheogenicPeace knows this, he just refuses to admit it.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: ScavengerType]
#11051852 - 09/13/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said: There is a shortage of toilet paper under capitalism. Anyone who doubts it has never had to tuck a roll into their pant leg and run out of the nearest corner store. The way the capitalist world treats students and others whom cannot work enough is miserable.
Was that you running away with clenched cheeks? Because it sure as hell wasn't me. Ever. What kind of complete loser has to steal toilet paper?Quote:
Frankly I think this is the free market working within the communist structure to resolve a simple production issue. I think that rather than criticize, the world should just step back and let them handle their own shit.
I think so too. And by "handle" I mean literally.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: ScavengerType]
#11051878 - 09/13/09 01:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a shortage of toilet paper under capitalism.
Nonsense.
Lately we have been producing high quality toilet paper in large quantities.
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ScavengerType said: There is a shortage of toilet paper under capitalism. Anyone who doubts it has never had to tuck a roll into their pant leg and run out of the nearest corner store. The way the capitalist world treats students and others whom cannot work enough is miserable.
Was that you running away with clenched cheeks? Because it sure as hell wasn't me. Ever. What kind of complete loser has to steal toilet paper?
Probably the same kind of looser who for some reason decides he has to waste fragments of his life on a stupid internet forum populated mostly by partisan right wing nutbags who have even less of a life than him.
But what kind of looser takes such an indignity of an experience and decides to harass someone over it? What kind of privileged cunt, cock sucking, piece of stale shit would even possibly conceive of saying "well, I never had to suffer as a student but that won't stop me from making fun of your life struggle"? What kind indeed.
edit: Also this topic already had a thread for it. After mentioning various economic reasons for Cuba's problem (which I will not repeat here) it went dead silent.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Phred]
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So my guess is, if Cuba forks over some money tonight, they can have their toilet paper sent from Mobile and it'll be there by tomorrow evening.
It's even easier than that, seeing as how no other country in the world has a trade embargo with Cuba. Cuba could easily buy toilet paper from... oh... I don't know... Venezuela, for example. After all, Chavez and the Castros are bosom buddies. Why you believe that only the United States is capable of producing toilet paper for export is beyond me.
The real reason Cuba doesn't buy t.p. from Venezuela (or anywhere else) is because they can't. They have no money. They're flat busted Skint. Bankrupt. Because they've been run by Commies for over half a century. Even Comrade EntheogenicPeace knows this, he just refuses to admit it.
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Considering Mobile is only around 600 nautical miles away from Havana, and Alabama's propensity for softwood lumber and paper production, I just thought that would be the logical place to order some butt-paper from I guess that's just "beyond you" though.
I was merely trying to suggest that their "TP shortage" could potentially be resolved in a very short amount of time with the help of some close-lying American states.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: ScavengerType]
#11051921 - 09/13/09 01:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have been a poor student the last 6 years of my life (undergraduate + two years of masters) and I have never not had toilet paper. It is cheap and it is everywhere. Then again, I knew my priorities and wasn't buying booze and drugs when I needed money for necessities. Methinks a lot of students don't have these priorities straight.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: ScavengerType]
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zappaisgod said:
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ScavengerType said: There is a shortage of toilet paper under capitalism. Anyone who doubts it has never had to tuck a roll into their pant leg and run out of the nearest corner store. The way the capitalist world treats students and others whom cannot work enough is miserable.
Was that you running away with clenched cheeks? Because it sure as hell wasn't me. Ever. What kind of complete loser has to steal toilet paper?
Probably the same kind of looser who for some reason decides he has to waste fragments of his life on a stupid internet forum populated mostly by partisan right wing nutbags who have even less of a life than him.
The Shroomery is populated mostly with "looser" right wing nutbags? Who knew?Quote:
But what kind of looser takes such an indignity of an experience and decides to harass someone over it? What kind of privileged cunt, cock sucking, piece of stale shit would even possibly conceive of saying "well, I never had to suffer as a student but that won't stop me from making fun of your life struggle"? What kind indeed.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: zappaisgod]
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pot calling the kettle. Also I never mentioned the shroomery, you are making wild accusations.
And redstorm, try going to school in a city where monthly rents are more than you can make working part time in a month. Gotta steal something on the budget.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: ScavengerType]
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ScavengerType said: pot calling the kettle.
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And redstorm, try going to school in a city where monthly rents are more than you can make working part time in a month.
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Gotta steal something on the budget.
Boy I sure hope he/she doesn't get shot stealing. Or arrested and sodomized repeatedly by huge-dicked freaks. Maybe that person should go to school where he can afford to live and stop stealing. Or, here's a concept, put school off and work to earn money to pay for toilet paper. Or just skip school. Or is that another human right for them?
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Mchaggis]
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I was merely trying to suggest that their "TP shortage" could potentially be resolved in a very short amount of time with the help of some close-lying American states.
Forgive me.
Sorry... my sarcasm didn't translate as well as I had hoped it would. My comment was aimed not at you, but at those Comrades who reflexively howl that what has fucked over Cubans is not their Commie government, but the fact that mean old America refuses to sell them stuff. These fellow travelers never seem to grasp that there are 190 other countries in the world who can (and often do) engage in business with Cuba.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Phred]
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And redstorm, try going to school in a city where monthly rents are more than you can make working part time in a month.
Nobody makes you attend school where the costs of living are too high to manage as a student. I chose to attend school in Indiana rather than Chicago, even though the school in Chicago was better and would be much more fun.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Phred]
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Phred]
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So my guess is, if Cuba forks over some money tonight, they can have their toilet paper sent from Mobile and it'll be there by tomorrow evening.
It's even easier than that, seeing as how no other country in the world has a trade embargo with Cuba. Cuba could easily buy toilet paper from... oh... I don't know... Venezuela, for example. After all, Chavez and the Castros are bosom buddies. Why you believe that only the United States is capable of producing toilet paper for export is beyond me.
The real reason Cuba doesn't buy t.p. from Venezuela (or anywhere else) is because they can't. They have no money. They're flat busted Skint. Bankrupt. Because they've been run by Commies for over half a century. Even Comrade EntheogenicPeace knows this, he just refuses to admit it.
Phred
If America paid off its foreign debt you'd be in the same boat. But then again you're addicted to credit and know of no other way.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Hanky]
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He's not from the United States.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Redstorm]
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no he's from a Caribbean capitalist country where I suspect toilet paper theft is more common.
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To elaborate: If one gets 35-50 grams of fiber per day (American average is like 12), & they only eat real, healthy food (no junk), then a) their excrement isn't hard or circular at all & b) they usually need very little to no cleaning afterwards.
And again, note how our favorite Comrade would rather literally talk shit than address the actual point under discussion - the abject failure of Communism to produce even the simplest and least sophisticated consumer items. Dodge much, Che?
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Phred]
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yea and how's the domestic production economy in the Dominican?
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: ScavengerType]
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Pretty good, actually, considering the global financial situation. Thanks for asking.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: zorbman]
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Yea, Cuba has shitty toilet paper its so thin and weak that if you were to wipe your ass you would tear through the paper. It's so shitty that you can literally see through the paper, it's a shitty brown color sometimes that reminds you of the shittyness of it all.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: zorbman]
#16643698 - 08/04/12 08:01 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, if I was a Cuban, with lots of free time in a communist state, I'd be thinking to myself alternatives to toilet paper.
Over in Belgium, and I'm sure in other countries to, you have bidets. Arse baths. Warm soapy water, or just warm water if soap is short, then rub with your BARE HANDS until your arse is clean. Then when it's clean, wipe away any water with a towel. Better than a washcloth with horrid skidmarks on it, softer than toilet paper, and I'm pretty sure even in a communist paradise water is something you can get out of a tap.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: teknix]
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Using water and your bare hand is far cleaner than toilet paper. Most Americans are so scared of that idea and that's why they all like walking around with shitty, sweaty ass cracks. If you got some shit on your hand, you wouldn't just wipe it off, you'd scrub your hand with soap and water. If you think using water and your hand is gross, it's not. The poo does not get on your hands like it does when your toilet paper breaks and you touch your greasy asshole.
and I don't care what diet you have, you drop a deuce, toilet paper smears around the residue.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: lillFish]
#16646856 - 08/05/12 11:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love how all the liberals have turned this into bitching about people using toilet paper.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Memories]
#16646894 - 08/05/12 11:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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They can't afford toilet paper
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: zappaisgod]
#16648599 - 08/05/12 05:09 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Corn cobs have a long history of use in place of toilet paper. Corn cobs can be used in out houses, but toilet paper screws them up, from what I've heard from a farmer relative. Add lime now and then and use corn cobs and the out houses take care of themselves. Of course, free loading libtards living in their mother's basement wouldn't know about farm life.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Luddite]
#16652136 - 08/06/12 07:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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How did my post about toilet paper being unsanitary make me a liberal?
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: lillFish]
#16652440 - 08/06/12 09:17 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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butt my dogs love it.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: zorbman]
#16653103 - 08/06/12 11:48 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Socialism is the only reason that little island is doing as well as it is. Their health care system is even on par with USA's fascist system. Were it not for socialism they would probably be about as prosperous as their neighbor Haiti or Dominican Republic which are capitalist.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Ellis Dee]
#16654462 - 08/06/12 03:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea!!!!, we made it into the rankings this year.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Luddite]
#16655734 - 08/06/12 06:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Memories]
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Luddite]
#16669631 - 08/09/12 05:42 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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My thing is, necessity is the mother of invention. During WW2, when german unterboots were sinking convoys and would have made us surrender if it were not for the efforts of the maligned Alan Turing, we had rationing.
Fuel was a scarce resource. Busses, rather than using diesel, instead had bags of coal/natural gas on the top of their roofs, and their engines were reconfigured for this fuel source.
Likewise if I was in Cuba I'd be looking for the equivalent of dock leaves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumex Or, a squirty bottle of water. Doesn't have to be soapy, can be soapy.
Way I figure it, either you have to get two ply that's strong enough not to disintergrate as soon as you wipe your arse, or you use the cheap stuff and have to wash your arse out to get rid of the klingons. Might as well cut out the middle man.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Luddite]
#16676253 - 08/10/12 12:18 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, I heard that interview today. But, what's that got to do with the the lack of toilet papers please?
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Those poor Cubans. As a sign of brotherhood and solidarity, I will not be using toilet paper for an entire month. I feel like a better person already.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: SWEDEN]
#16678678 - 08/10/12 07:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread is a pathetic mockery of a great nation. Everything you heard about Cuba in the U.S. media, and ESPECIALLY coming out of Miami, home of the anti-cuban terrorist mafia, is complete propaganda bullshit. I'm sorry you guys fell for it. Cuba is a great nation that has an incredible track record for human rights, unlike the terrorist state of U.S.A. which harbors terrorists and sponsors terrorism. Any poverty on that island is a direct consequence of U.S. imposed illegal trade embargo which was done because the U.S. and its corporations are not able to influence, corrupt & exploit that nation for their natural resources and labor, plain and simple, that is what the whole anti-cuban bullshittery is all about. The U.S. has always wanted to annex Cuba and keep them under their thumb, but they can't. That's why Cuba is such an inspiration around the globe, particularly in Venezuela and other latin american countries, Cuba stood up to the Empire for over 50 years and the U.S. hasn't been able to do anything about it.
There is no Cuban threat, there is no Venezuelan threat, or an Iranian threat, or a Syrian threat. The threat to this world and civilization as we know it is the American threat, the Israeli threat, the British threat, and the Chinese threat. These countries all commit serious human rights atrocities and acts of terrorism.
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#16678718 - 08/10/12 07:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Troll is trolling.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: LastBreath]
#16681638 - 08/11/12 11:40 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not sure if you're talking to me or everyone ITT, but I was just poking fun at the empty gestures people make, like not shaving because some dope decided to let doctors poison him with chemicals that make hair fall out.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: LastBreath]
#16682064 - 08/11/12 01:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was me. I stole the plans for the CIA mind control machine and have been beaming mind controlling modulated radio waves at Cuba for decades.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: zorbman]
#16729050 - 08/19/12 07:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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hey this is random but do girls actually need toilet paper, considering they don't excrete feces?
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To chime in on this side topic of the correlation between diet and the messiness of bowel movements, I just finished my morning shit after my usual Kale/banana/mango breakfast smoothie, which I have calculated to contain 23 g of fiber, and it took me 2 flushable wet wipes and 18 squares of premium toilet paper (not the lightweight translucent stuff) to get clean afterwards. Fact in evidence that high fiber diets don't make for a clean dump. At least in my consistent experience.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: pothead_bob]
#16731275 - 08/20/12 11:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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I find that a diet based on 50% animal protein or more makes for some very clean shits. Not always the most comfortable, but cleaner than salad shits.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: SWEDEN]
#16735475 - 08/21/12 12:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: teknix]
#16735549 - 08/21/12 01:10 AM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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^^ this
Ya'll would learn to wipe your ass if you didn't have access to cheap toilet paper.
Your hand and water do the same shit (plus a bit of post-action soap, mostly for your nasty ass hands though). Be lucky you grew up in the realm of toilet paper and bidets.
Don't get me wrong though, I still buy toilet paper cause I don't wanna use my hand. Just saying. Sucks for Cubans. Thought I would invest in a bidet if I had the resources.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: pothead_bob]
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: imachavel]
#16741356 - 08/27/12 03:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Am I wrong?
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Typically I consume 1 cup of milk a day. All those ingredients go into the smoothie, the greens, bananas, fruit, some oats, and also milk and eggs. I also eat whole grains at other times of the day. The smoothie is a fast and convenient way to get a good base down first thing in the morning and to also get in a bunch of servings of fruits and vegetables.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: pothead_bob]
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I like natural Greek strained Chobani
Have you tried the pineapple flavor. OMG.
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Re: Cuba facing toilet paper shortage [Re: Icelander]
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On sale here at $.99
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