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Xog
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growing mushrooms from mimosa ?!
#11003653 - 09/05/09 10:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably a really stupid question, but has anyone ever tried growing mushrooms with mimosa hostilis rootbark? Would it even be possible? (it does turn into a sludge when making DMT..could it be mixed in with a cake?)
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or dunk in dmt extract ?
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Edited by Xog (09/05/09 10:38 AM)
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: Xog]
#11003725 - 09/05/09 10:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why would you even want to do that?
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: nastos]
#11003727 - 09/05/09 10:52 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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To experiment o_O.. has anyone tried it before? maybe the DMT could combine with the psylocin? chemicals can combine.. wouldn't that make it a new chemical, too? :P
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Edited by Xog (09/05/09 10:54 AM)
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: Xog]
#11003746 - 09/05/09 10:56 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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no the dmt can not combine with the psylocin
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: nastos]
#11003878 - 09/05/09 11:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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in the picture, NMT - there is a kind of DMT containing bark that also has a good amount of NMT, this would be great to experiment with as hopefully you'd get shrooms with more 4-HO-NMT/baeocystin
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Edited by Xog (09/05/09 11:40 AM)
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: Xog]
#11003893 - 09/05/09 11:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: Xog]
#11003904 - 09/05/09 11:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, but simply using it as a substrate will not change the chemical structure of the psilocybin or psylocin . I've seen this argument before in a thread about using marijuana as a substrate.
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: nastos]
#11003912 - 09/05/09 11:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could always experiment tho im all for that.
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: nastos]
#11003937 - 09/05/09 11:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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im in debt right now, i cant even buy a candybar without worrying about the cost.. keeping my internet up is rare.. wish i had the money to do it :P
if u guys wanna donate the materials to a good cause, you'd be helping the research of mushroom cultivation
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Edited by Xog (09/05/09 11:56 AM)
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: Xog]
#11004168 - 09/05/09 12:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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dude you can grow cubes for less than 20 dollars
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Re: growing mushrooms from mimosa ?! [Re: nastos]
#11005228 - 09/05/09 04:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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In TIHKAL I believe Shulgin discusses the possibility that the mushroom does a "4-HO" number on similar chemicals. Psilocybin being 4-HO-DMT it makes sense that growing on a DMT-rich medium might increase potency.
Some fascinating studies have been done in Germany where the metabolically active mycelium of some Psilocybe species have been administered diethyltryptamine as a potential diet component. Normally, this mushroom species dutifully converts N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) to psilocin, by introducing a 4-hydroxyl group into the molecule by something that is probably called an indole 4-hydroxylase by the biochemists. You put DMT in, and you get 4-hydroxy-DMT out, and this is psilocin. Maybe if you put Mickey Mouse in, you would get 4-hydroxy-Mickey Mouse out. It is as if the mushroom psyche didn't really care what it was working with, it was simply compelled to do its sacred duty to 4-hydroxylate any tryptamine it came across. It was observed that if you put N,N-diethyltryptamine (DET, not a material found in nature) into the growing process, the dutiful and ignorant enzymes would hydroxylate it to 4-hydroxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine (4-HO-DET) a potent drug also not known in nature. This is the title drug of this commentary. What a beautiful burr to thrust into the natural versus synthetic controversy. If a plant (a mushroom mycelium in this case) is given a man-made chemical, and this plant converts it, using its natural capabilities, into a product that had never before been known in nature, is that product natural? What is natural? This is the stuff of many long and pointless essays.
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