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dkamp18
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small scale casing
#11002199 - 09/05/09 12:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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First off... hello again to all. its been over 2 years since i last visited this forum, glad to see it still up and healthy. my last post was a trip report, the last entry of the thread being a member asking where i went after 4 months, if i was still tripping lol. I had an epiphony that night lol and have since gone on to (attempt) an education in physics. anyways, i have finally settled back into being comfortable with trying my hand at this hobby again. i am curious if anyone has experience with just keeping the colonized substrate in the jar and scraping the insulating layer of vermiculite on top, and using it as a casing layer.
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Re: small scale casing [Re: dkamp18]
#11002254 - 09/05/09 12:16 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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from wat i have seen pins normally develop on the sides therefore u may be limiting wat you get from the cake
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dkamp18
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i was thinking of covering the sides with a strip of black plastic (trash bag) so the only light would come from the top
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Re: small scale casing [Re: dkamp18]
#11002321 - 09/05/09 12:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Light is only an accelerate its not needed
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Re: small scale casing [Re: dkamp18]
#11002327 - 09/05/09 12:40 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, if you wish you can just scrape off the top verm layer and blacken the sides of the jar any way you see fit. Place the jar into fruiting conditions and fruits will begin to pin at the top of the jar and grow right on out =)

Granted these are oyster mushrooms, but never the less they are grown on a BRF cake and allowed to fruit in the jar.
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dkamp18
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Re: small scale casing [Re: Satori23]
#11002364 - 09/05/09 12:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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those are nice looking oysters. about a year ago i tried for months trying to fruit oysters, and never succeeded. they always colonized great though, hopefully this go round i have more luck
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Re: small scale casing [Re: dkamp18]
#11002372 - 09/05/09 12:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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imo,you would be better off just giving it a casing layer...if your doing cakes pf tek style, just wait till full colonization, then birth,dunk n roll. Ive read about leaving your cake inside the jar, but i would imagine you would get a better harvest by birthing them, otherwise, any pins forming on the sides would just be smooshed. i have no experience with trying it that way, but i have seen pix of cakes left inside the jar to long. the space left between the jar side, and the colonized subs. is a nice little micro-climate for the developing pins, unfortunately they have no where to go... but perhaps im wrong, and everything would go fine enough, you should try doing it with a few jars, then you have an alternate to compare it to.
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Quote:
CaliforniaLove said: Light is only an accelerate its not needed
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Re: small scale casing [Re: nastos]
#11002714 - 09/05/09 02:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
nastos said:
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CaliforniaLove said: Light is only an accelerate its not needed

lights not needed.......?
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Whaddya mean CASING?
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nonamenomad said: imo,you would be better off just giving it a casing layer...if your doing cakes pf tek style, just wait till full colonization, then birth,dunk n roll.
I wasn't advocating leaving the cake in the jar.. just answering his question that it is possible to fruit it that way.
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CaliforniaLove said: Light is only an accelerate its not needed
Please don't post things if you don't know what you are talking about..
Make 2 fruiting chambers one with light and one in the dark and tell me what happens..
Light is deffinatley needed for cubes..
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Re: small scale casing [Re: nastos]
#11002807 - 09/05/09 03:13 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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nastos said:
Please don't post things if you don't know what you are talking about..
Make 2 fruiting chambers one with light and one in the dark and tell me what happens..
Light is deffinatley needed for cubes..
agreed
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Edited by Satori23 (09/05/09 03:13 AM)
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Re: small scale casing [Re: Satori23]
#11003628 - 09/05/09 10:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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it is light that lets the mycelium know that it has reached the surface of the substrate and that it can initiate pinning... right? thats why i was gonna darken the sides and leave the top open. maybe it will give slightly bigger fruits instead of high volume flushes, and the mushrooms should grow straight and more uniform
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Re: small scale casing [Re: dkamp18]
#11003828 - 09/05/09 11:24 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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some of RR's notes ...(from others posts here in the mush cult forum) I was reading on this last night lol
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Your substrate is pinning on the edges because that's the only place where there is near 100% humidity to stimulate primordia formation. You can get more pins in the middle by laying a sheet of wax paper over the top of the tray
I doubt it was the light. Light is horribly over rated as a pinning trigger. It was most likely the air exchange that was allowed through the landscape fabric. If you want an awesome pinset, it's important to only allow gas exchange and not air exchange as the mycelium colonizes the substrate. There's a big difference. During colonization, you actually want CO2 levels to be extremely high, which prevents fruiting. Upon full colonization, you increase FAE (air exchange) and expose to light at the same time. This results in a sudden and massive pinset.
Many things. I've found the brightest light stimulates more pins. You need to look at pinning triggers like the instruments in a band. One instrument can be slightly off, and the band still plays the song. Often one instrument can be taken away and the music still sounds ok. However, if all are working together, it's awesome
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hope this helps!
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Quote:
UFOz8MyGoat said:
You need to look at pinning triggers like the instruments in a band. One instrument can be slightly off, and the band still plays the song. Often one instrument can be taken away and the music still sounds ok. However, if all are working together, it's awesome
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hope this helps!
---- RR is the MAN! thats an excellent quote, helps to remind us to look at the grow as a series of events that all add up to a certain result. the mushroom is designed to grow on its own...biologically speaking, all plants,animals,molds,mushrooms,etc...are designed to survive, but its up to you to imitate the environment that it needs..optimal conditions provide for optimal results, and anything else, the mushroom just does what it can to 'survive'<ie reproduce>.
-------------------- "-If we look at the path, we do not see the sky. We are earth people on a spiritual journey to the stars. Our quest, our earth walk, is to look within, to know who we are, to see that we are connected to all things, there is no separation, only in the mind-"
Native American-source unknown
"Peace can only come as a natural consequence of Universal Enlightenment."
Nikola Tesla-1919
6T's WBS tek
Whaddya mean CASING?
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