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Re: Obama [Re: silosighbin]
    #11012031 - 09/06/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

One possible reason is if you dont subsidize the poor they have a habit of coming to your house with torches and pitchforks.

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Re: Obama [Re: silosighbin]
    #11012034 - 09/06/09 10:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Your assumptions are astounding

Look at all the other countries that have national health care
they didn't suffer any major calamities by doing that

you sound just like the drug war people that claim the world will come to an end if prohibition is repealed.
while every country that did away with prohibition, saw nothing but improvements in their society

having a public health care system will only make America a better nation


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Re: Obama [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
    #11012057 - 09/06/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Knifey Mcstab said:
I shouldn't have to pay for people who are negligent with their bodies.




I shouldn't have to pay for the police work, for people that don't have an alarm system on their house
or for the fire department to come put out the fire that started because you smoke


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Re: Obama [Re: niteowl]
    #11012068 - 09/06/09 10:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Your assumptions are astounding

Look at all the other countries that have national health care
they didn't suffer any major calamities by doing that

you sound just like the drug war people that claim the world will come to an end if prohibition is repealed.
while every country that did away with prohibition, saw nothing but improvements in their society

having a public health care system will only make America a better nation




yeah except the war on drugs is totally economically and morally unsound... restricting a massive market based on the misconceptions of politicians that aren't even really rooted in morality (nobody thinks you'll go to hell for smoking weed, doing acid, etc)...

and yeah, nationalized health care has worked for some countries... doesn't mean i want to have to pay for it :shrug: it's like how we're taxed so much on cigarettes and alcohol to pay for other people's health care... if i end up going to the hospital, overdosed on alcohol or with liver failure or lung cancer, i don't want someone else paying for me, that's just wrong in my opinion... why would i take someone else's money because i made a choice to fuck up?

and i realize that 99% of people don't choose, i mean nobody wants to get sick or become diabetic or break a bone, etc bla bla bla. but still, why should everyone have to pay for it, instead of the people who are in need of help? yes, they deserve to get help. but i don't deserve to have my money stolen by the government to go towards someone else who could probably pay for it if they were making ends meet by working. it doesn't make any sense to me

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I shouldn't have to pay for the police work, for people that don't have an alarm system on their house
or for the fire department to come put out the fire that started because you smoke




it's true though, i mean we're forced to pay for police when the vast majority of us don't use them, they just enforce a social structure. i've never called the police and i don't ever plan to. if someone is committing a crime against me, i'll deal with it directly instead of involving some fascist third party...


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Re: Obama [Re: silosighbin]
    #11012101 - 09/06/09 10:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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and i realize that 99% of people don't choose, i mean nobody wants to get sick or become diabetic or break a bone, etc bla bla bla. but still, why should everyone have to pay for it, instead of the people who are in need of help? yes, they deserve to get help. but i don't deserve to have my money stolen by the government to go towards someone else who could probably pay for it if they were making ends meet by working. it doesn't make any sense to me




What you seem to forget is, that every aspect of the cost of health care is inflated because of people that don't pay.

That right, your trip to the hospital is gonna cost you 2-3x as much as it should because there are lots of people that simply cannot afford to pay for a Dr. These people end up going to the ER for a cough or a ingrown toenail. Because a Dr's office won't see them because they don't have the $110 for an office visit.

I spent 5 days in a hospital with pancreatitis
all they did was give me painkillers and nausea meds
and they charged me $20,000 dollrs

I got news for ya man..........I will not pay that

Had the bill been $5000 I would have made an effort to pay it

a $20,000 bill at $100 a month will take over 16 years to pay off

How tha FUCK IS THAT FAIR :crankey:


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Re: Obama [Re: DieCommie]
    #11012221 - 09/06/09 10:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: Obama [Re: niteowl]
    #11012476 - 09/07/09 12:02 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I won't argue that point.

Doesn't change the fact that I don't want to pay for some alcoholics health complications.


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Re: Obama [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
    #11012512 - 09/07/09 12:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I won't argue that point.

Doesn't change the fact that I don't want to pay for some alcoholics health complications.




:facepalm:

Every time you go to the hospital
you are paying higher prices
because of the people w/out health care

:kingtard:


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Re: Obama [Re: robbyberto]
    #11012520 - 09/07/09 12:14 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Obama mostly won the election because he looks cool and has a cool name. That is about as deep as it went. People are dumb, goodnight.




Lol - yeah, politics are so pathetic, I try not to look.

He's black, young, and hip, that's it. McCain wasn't much of a better choice though.


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Re: Obama [Re: niteowl]
    #11012525 - 09/07/09 12:14 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I rarely go to the hospital.


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Re: Obama [Re: NoddinOut]
    #11012527 - 09/07/09 12:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Obama [Re: Silversoul]
    #11012531 - 09/07/09 12:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Plus - what the fuck is Sarah Palin? Were the Republicans even serious, I still havn't gotten over how dumb that whole thing was.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: Obama [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
    #11012560 - 09/07/09 12:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I rarely go to the hospital.




So?

Do you pay for insurance?
If so, then you are already paying
for other peoples health care.

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Re: Obama [Re: niteowl]
    #11012574 - 09/07/09 12:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

How so?

Where's the proof?

If I'm paying for other peoples health care, why is there such an outcry for socialized medicine?

EDIT: of course other peoples health costs make the cost of health care go up, but that doesn't mean I'm paying for everyones health care, just paying part of the premium for people already on the plan.


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Re: Obama [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
    #11012743 - 09/07/09 01:07 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Knifey Mcstab said:
How so?

Where's the proof?




The money that you pay to your insurance company
is used to help pay for other peoples health care
that are insured by your insurance company

weather you like it or not
that's how insurance works

everyone pays into the system
the sick ones benefit from it

Quote:

If I'm paying for other peoples health care, why is there such an outcry for socialized medicine?




Because there are a lot of people that don't have access to health insurance
May part time employees and small businesses can't afford health insurance


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Re: Obama [Re: niteowl]
    #11012906 - 09/07/09 02:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

This is pretty much the best quick argument for universal health care that I've ever seen.  I don't care how flexible your backbone you can't contort yourself enough to writhe through all the hoops required to justify this.  If there is a more damning statement to be made about our current failure of a system I'd love to see it.

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Re: Obama [Re: Zebratek]
    #11012918 - 09/07/09 02:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

that graph speaks volumes

the U.S. wastes so much money
it is mind-fucking-boggling :shake:


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Re: Obama [Re: niteowl]
    #11014082 - 09/07/09 10:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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niteowl said:
that graph speaks volumes

the U.S. wastes so much money
it is mind-fucking-boggling :shake:




yeah... hence why i wouldn't like to put even more money and control into the hands of a government that's constantly fucking up.

The problem with the whole universal health care system is that in the end, government always fucks things up. How could you expect something like this to be both efficient and not a total money-stealing venture??? you people have WAY too much faith in government and it disturbs me


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Re: Obama [Re: silosighbin]
    #11014250 - 09/07/09 11:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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The problem with the whole universal health care system is that in the end, government always fucks things up.



Six days a week, without fail, my mail gets delivered from all different parts of the country.  Every year around Thanksgiving I'm able to safely drive from Portland, OR, to my parents' house in Sacramento, CA, thanks to government funded roads and highways.  I can drink water straight from the tap, thanks to government regulations that keep the water clean.  Electricity reaches my house every day thanks to the power grid installed with taxpayer money.  This idea that government can't do anything right is superstition, not fact.  Go ask the people in Somalia how much better off they are without government in their lives.

Furthermore, why is it that countries with national healthcare systems so consistently outrank us in every quality of life index?  Surely government must be fucking everything up for them, right?


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Re: Obama [Re: silosighbin]
    #11014255 - 09/07/09 11:39 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The problem with the US is it is a capitalistic nation
you can't put a price on EVERYTHING and expect our society to work

some socialist systems need to be in place


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