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Do my cacti actually require dormancy?
    #10981339 - 09/01/09 07:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have some lophophora and astrophytum seedlings started and I wondered if I could just grow them on through the winter since I have a really nice artificial climate setup now (I've been meaning to show you guys, I'll get pictures up at some point).  I know some cacti require dormancy, but don't know which that includes, or the consequences of ignoring this. Obviously if it's something like "THE CACTI WILL DIE" I don't want to do this, but if it's more like "The cacti won't bloom that year" then I think I can deal with it.

How about with an established bridgesii? Would it require dormancy?


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: Horticulture]
    #10981484 - 09/01/09 08:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

seedlings don't require dormancy, infact it is better if you can find a sunny window or spot in a heated greenhouse for them over winter.
it's never good to put seedlings into dormancy, infact dormancy requires very minimal watering and that is likely to kill them or make them stall for quite some time.

they don't require much light to grow healthily so a sunny window sill is more than enough to keep them ticking over until spring.

established cacti will require a dormant period unless you don't mind them stretching like mad.


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #10981622 - 09/01/09 08:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Dr. uarewotueat said:established cacti will require a dormant period unless you don't mind them stretching like mad.




Will they stretch like mad even if given sufficient lighting?


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: drift]
    #10981691 - 09/01/09 08:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

is it a trick question? lol

of course if you can provide sufficient lighting and temperature then dormancy is not required.
but remember that no HPS light is ever going to compete with the big HPS in the sky so some thinning of growth is likely.

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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #10981731 - 09/01/09 08:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Dr. uarewotueat said:
is it a trick question? lol

of course if you can provide sufficient lighting and temperature then dormancy is not required.
but remember that no HPS light is ever going to compete with the big HPS in the sky so some thinning of growth is likely.

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I guess we're just differing on what's an 'established cactus' then.


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: drift]
    #10981763 - 09/01/09 08:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

totally depends on species and a number of other factors, impossible to give a clear answer really.


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #10981801 - 09/01/09 08:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like everyone's staying in my desert box for the winter then.


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: Horticulture]
    #10982833 - 09/01/09 11:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There are theories that witholding established cacti from dormancy will damage their ability to fight off diseases. I'm not sure if this has actually been proven though.


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: Mankey]
    #10983183 - 09/02/09 12:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

every cactus here and in other hot tropical coutnries goes without winter dormancy every year without fail :smile:

not needed unless its cold...but then its less of a needed and more of a have to :wink:

even a lot of wild tropical cacti never get winter in the wild, generally only the desert species do as deserts get real fucking cold at times.


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: kadakuda]
    #10983515 - 09/02/09 01:32 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Cactus dormancy is really an interesting subject, too bad it's not more studied


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: Horticulture]
    #10984078 - 09/02/09 03:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'd be paranoid everytime I watered my plants in the winter.  Just let em go dormant.


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #10985663 - 09/02/09 12:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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no HPS light is ever going to compete with the big HPS in the sky.


Very ture unless ur living in the UK . then i would argue, the point. 


P.s as u can see i have no idea how quote works lol


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: SMUCKA]
    #10986140 - 09/02/09 02:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

my babies were actualy under 24/7 lighting for about 2 years. they did fine and grew well. then i took them outside to where they are now and are fending for themselves. they'll do good outside if weather permits. i live in south texas close to the border so it really is their natural enviroment.:lol:


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: SMUCKA]
    #10987149 - 09/02/09 04:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Very tree unless ur living in the UK . then i would argue, the point. 



i am living in the uk.
but, you can argue the point with me and my cacti if you like :laugh:


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #10990238 - 09/03/09 02:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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my babies were actualy under 24/7 lighting for about 2 years. they did fine and grew well. then i took them outside to where they are now and are fending for themselves. they'll do good outside if weather permits. i live in south texas close to the border so it really is their natural enviroment.:lol:





you will know if your cacti are doing better in the sun not by growth height, but by diameter :smile:  in good light they will probably grow taller slower, but grow quite fat and chunky :smile:  or if your real lucky, both :discorex:


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: kadakuda]
    #10992330 - 09/03/09 02:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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my babies were actualy under 24/7 lighting for about 2 years. they did fine and grew well. then i took them outside to where they are now and are fending for themselves. they'll do good outside if weather permits. i live in south texas close to the border so it really is their natural enviroment.:lol:





you will know if your cacti are doing better in the sun not by growth height, but by diameter :smile:  in good light they will probably grow taller slower, but grow quite fat and chunky :smile:  or if your real lucky, both :discorex:




they are under shade cloth and have gotten the hot texas sun on their skin. like 2 or 3 of them have a slight purple hue to them which i assume is slight sunburn. but all is well anyways

we had a drought up until last week. its rained like 3 days in a row ans needless to say they were very thirsty and have plumped up quite nicely. they look pretty fabulous now and won't be gettin any water for months. unless of course it rains.


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Re: Do my cacti actually require dormancy? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #10995776 - 09/04/09 12:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

purple is more often than not dehydration.  if you water them at night in this season, you will notice truly amazing growth!


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    #10999690 - 09/04/09 05:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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purple is more often than not dehydration.  if you water them at night in this season, you will notice truly amazing growth!




well your right. i did let them go wild for most of the summer then gave them a little bit of water. just a tad. but now the rain has pumped them up.


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