|
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
grain jars in microwave
#10992043 - 09/03/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
im just wondering because the new jars i bought doesnt fit in the PD because i got the 1quart regular mouth and its a tiny bit taller than the wide mouth if this is possible, how?
|
feelfunny
I am you




Registered: 03/11/09
Posts: 8,747
Loc: South
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10992055 - 09/03/09 11:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
lay them sideways. microwave is a no no as far as I'm concerned
-------------------- IF A CAT AND DOG CAN GET ALONG WHY CANT EVERYONE ELSE?
If the sky is falling, don't look up!
Feel Family Founder. me if you are tired of hearing, "Use the search function".
|
Shroominit
Part Time Mycologist



Registered: 11/29/08
Posts: 4,662
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: feelfunny]
#10992112 - 09/03/09 11:41 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
I agree with no microwave.
|
Doc_T
Random Dude




Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Shroominit]
#10992118 - 09/03/09 11:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Agreed.
-------------------- You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?
|
elemental420
A student



Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 592
Loc: In da corn feilds.
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Doc_T]
#10992137 - 09/03/09 11:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
I belive if you lay them sideways you need to wrap the entire jar with foil but I may b wrong
--------------------
 You only get to live one time might as well enjoy
FeelFamily Member
Trade List
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10992183 - 09/03/09 11:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
k then will not use microwave i just wont use the top and boil for 2 hours that should do the job
|
Slimz
.-~*´`*·~-experience-~*´`*·~-.




Registered: 10/03/07
Posts: 3,588
Loc: Maryland
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10992201 - 09/03/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Soak the grain extra to make sure all endospores germinate
You can also pre preasurecook the grain, the put it in to jars and boil.. that should work (damn im smart sometimes)
-------------------- Lazy Drywall Tek (no powdery mess)
This series will blow your mind and confirm what you already know to be true.
The Pharmacratic Inquisition
Best Thread Ever ! ! !
me if you have questions about lasers
Although i may advise others in a general way regarding all types of mushroom grows, and may even post question from other forums about growing "active" mushrooms, i only grow non-"active" mushrooms and edibles.
FeelFamily resident tech guru
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Slimz]
#10992208 - 09/03/09 12:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
wont that be the same its just different methods of sterilization
|
Doc_T
Random Dude




Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10992211 - 09/03/09 12:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
pandelic said: k then will not use microwave i just wont use the top and boil for 2 hours that should do the job
Just lay the jar sideways. Or use smaller jars.
-------------------- You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?
|
Slimz
.-~*´`*·~-experience-~*´`*·~-.




Registered: 10/03/07
Posts: 3,588
Loc: Maryland
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10992220 - 09/03/09 12:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
pandelic said: wont that be the same its just different methods of sterilization
no the preasurecooker is used for grains specificaly because it does a nice job of killing spores IN the grain.
so if he PCs the grain in jars that will fit, and then tosses it in to jars he wants to use, he can then boil the grain to make sure that there was no contam picked up (on outside if grains) between PC jars and final jars.
if he transfers them hot, i would not even worry about the second boil
-------------------- Lazy Drywall Tek (no powdery mess)
This series will blow your mind and confirm what you already know to be true.
The Pharmacratic Inquisition
Best Thread Ever ! ! !
me if you have questions about lasers
Although i may advise others in a general way regarding all types of mushroom grows, and may even post question from other forums about growing "active" mushrooms, i only grow non-"active" mushrooms and edibles.
FeelFamily resident tech guru
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Slimz]
#10993007 - 09/03/09 02:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Slimz said:
Quote:
pandelic said: wont that be the same its just different methods of sterilization
no the preasurecooker is used for grains specificaly because it does a nice job of killing spores IN the grain.
so if he PCs the grain in jars that will fit, and then tosses it in to jars he wants to use, he can then boil the grain to make sure that there was no contam picked up (on outside if grains) between PC jars and final jars.
if he transfers them hot, i would not even worry about the second boil
really, everyone agree?
|
Doc_T
Random Dude




Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10993018 - 09/03/09 03:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
It's not the lamest idea I've ever heard. Do it in a glovebox. It's basically a virgin grain to grain. I'm betting on 100% fail, but hey- prove me wrong.
-------------------- You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Doc_T]
#10993029 - 09/03/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
doc t, so what if i PC in small jars and then transfer to boil, is it even true that i shouldn't boil?, ill let that shit sitting in a hot bubble bath for 2 hours.
|
Shroominit
Part Time Mycologist



Registered: 11/29/08
Posts: 4,662
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Slimz]
#10993034 - 09/03/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Let me get this straight, PC pint jars of grain, boil empty quarts covered with foil. Move the quarts and pints to glove box and let them cool, then unfoil the quarts and pour grain from the pints in?
Sounds like an OK plan to me, but I'd just do the spawn in the pints at that point. Gonna cost you more in jars than a decent PC will. 
You could look in to spawn bags. Put one bag in your small PC and let 'er cook, then inoculate. That's putting all your eggs in one basket, but that's what you want, right?
|
Doc_T
Random Dude




Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 42,395
Loc: Colorado
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Shroominit]
#10993048 - 09/03/09 03:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Oh, bags are a good idea. Then he could use pints and do g2g with the bags. That'll work.
-------------------- You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?
|
Shroominit
Part Time Mycologist



Registered: 11/29/08
Posts: 4,662
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Shroominit]
#10993065 - 09/03/09 03:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Since I'm still confused on all this boiling talk, let me break it down a little.
Water boils at 99.97*C at normal atmospheric pressure. Water in a pressure cooker gets to ABOUT 135*C at 15PSI. That extra 40*C is what kills of bacterial endospores, and boiling water will never get that hot without pressure added.
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Shroominit]
#10993074 - 09/03/09 03:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
yeah ive looked into them i can order them but then i find these reusable jars for 8 dollard the 12 pack across the street, and but no i was going to PC in pint jars, transfer them to quarts and then boil with the grain inside for bout an hour. i was goint to inject a pf cake with sterilized water and extract it again to absorb the myc and suck it right back up.
|
Shroominit
Part Time Mycologist



Registered: 11/29/08
Posts: 4,662
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10993091 - 09/03/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
No need to 're-boil' the grains. They're either contaminated or they're not after the transfer. Boiling isn't gonna fix it either way.
Trying to get myc out of a PF jar is going to be hell, I would not try it at all.
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Shroominit]
#10993329 - 09/03/09 04:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
well i made a print last week i guess ill just use that
|
Mnboardin
Stranger



Registered: 04/01/09
Posts: 767
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10993657 - 09/03/09 05:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Irrelevant
--------------------
Edited by Mnboardin (09/03/09 05:07 PM)
|
Slimz
.-~*´`*·~-experience-~*´`*·~-.




Registered: 10/03/07
Posts: 3,588
Loc: Maryland
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Mnboardin]
#10994004 - 09/03/09 06:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
assuming that you are set on using jars that will not fit in the PC, then you still need to PC the grain.. boiling the grain will not do it..
transfering the grain from jar to jar can be done..
boil the large jars, pc the small ones with grain
transfer the grin from small jars to large jar, then boil the large jars. that will be just fine and you should end up with viable jars.
the reason to boil after PCing is to kill contam from the transfer.. the endospores will already be dead from the PC so a good boil will kill any contam on the surface of the grains..
-------------------- Lazy Drywall Tek (no powdery mess)
This series will blow your mind and confirm what you already know to be true.
The Pharmacratic Inquisition
Best Thread Ever ! ! !
me if you have questions about lasers
Although i may advise others in a general way regarding all types of mushroom grows, and may even post question from other forums about growing "active" mushrooms, i only grow non-"active" mushrooms and edibles.
FeelFamily resident tech guru
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: Slimz]
#10996179 - 09/03/09 11:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
i just boiled the grain im just going to transfer it to pint jars PC and inoculate those.ill just use two jars per container.
|
itslogics
.psychonaut.



Registered: 06/29/09
Posts: 88
Loc: In the Lions Den
Last seen: 11 years, 5 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: pandelic]
#10996289 - 09/04/09 12:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
why don't you just colonize them in the pint jars then g2g into quarts? That's been done tons of times with success .
|
pandelic
Wild Panda



Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 1,559
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
|
Re: grain jars in microwave [Re: itslogics]
#11000494 - 09/04/09 06:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
thats what i meant
|
|