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Rose
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: xtofury]
#10982588 - 09/01/09 08:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Contams happen to everyone... even quality vendors. Shrooms do not fruit in a sterile environment so sometimes shit happens.
The syringe you were sent could have been contaminated or YOU could have contaminated it by simply sucking a bit of air into it before you inoculated anything.
Using some agar w/ your last 2cc's would have told you what you needed to know. At the very least, you could have learned if the spores were viable.
That issue should have been mentioned to your vendor immediately. By now, you may be crying over spilled milk.
There is a huge difference between being sent a contaminated syringe (which is almost always accidental) and being sent mislabeled spores (which could be intentional). One of Ralph's spore suppliers may have intentionally mislabeled cubes as pans, or PESA as PE... in order to make Ralph think he got his correct order. Then Ralph may have sent the mislabeled spores out to his customers under the impression that he was doing everything by the books.
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: Rose]
#10982674 - 09/01/09 09:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah they do, but I knew about the air suck thing since I started as well, I know that is bad fuckin news, but honestly what grew in those jars did not match the already observed flora in that house. It was 100% alien compared to what has been observed there.
I'm not really crying anymore, and yes I should have emailed it right away, but I'd wanted to try the last 2 cc's to ensure that I was blaming the right thing, but if the vendor is right, then my business is gone, and if I'm right, then my business is definitely gone because nothing was fixed. That syringe technically almost made me drop the idea of growing all together, so I will always be upset that I almost gave up entirely on a hobby I now love because of that. It makes me a little bitter. I know the agar would have proved it a little better but I hadn't intended on working with agar till I got other things under control, and it's a shame that I wasted all of that syringe in my 2nd batch. Either way, you're telling me that you've injected the sides of a jar with a viable syringe, and not seen anything so little as one faint whisp of myc before contamn ran rampant at the inoculation point?
And sure, you're right I shouldn't discount that I could have sucked air in even though I was being very careful not to since I was already aware of what can happen if you do, but for the value of what I got a single one-time replacement shouldn't have been a problem and if I ever get around to being a spore vendor I won't worry about stuff like that nor set such policy like that, sure some people might try and rip me off, but that'll become apparent with the statistics, because constant whiners will stand out and get cut off. One-time whiners, I think deserve the benefit of the doubt. But hey what do I know about business, I only ran a successful one for a couple of years. What I remember is if you dilute your customer base, you don't have as much growth or success. Some business fail because they have such poor policy that they build up a mob of angry customers that talk shit about them. I'm not whining, just doing my part as a consumer. Had the problem been fixed, I would be on here preaching how great ralph is too.
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: xtofury]
#10982796 - 09/01/09 09:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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xtofury said: Had the problem been fixed, I would be on here preaching how great ralph is too.
And if you'd carefully re-read this thread, you'd see that I am not preaching what you suggest.
If vendors replaced every single order that contaminated (or every order that somebody retroactively wanted replaced), they'd make no $$$. As a successful businessman, you of all people should understand that.
You should've handled this situation quickly and privately. We both agree about that.
You didn't.
Now you are complaining at length and in public about one simple mistake... and unfortunately, because of the way you handled the situation, nobody will ever know who is to blame.
Sorry. I had an unsuccessful first grow too.
At least you now have a couple successful grows under your belt.
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: Rose]
#10983063 - 09/01/09 09:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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But hey what do I know about business, I only ran a successful one for a couple of years.
  
sorry, thats funny to me, couple years isnt too successful
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: 13shrooms]
#10984547 - 09/02/09 05:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I gave it up because I got tired of offering a service orientated business, I prefer manufacturing and products, since they offer greater potential for profit and you don't have to deal with the likes of deadbeats.
That aside, if a vendor fixed every problem they'd make a little less per syringe, indeed, but they'd build up a base of loyal customers. Most successful businesses understand that in order to be successful, you can't be too stingy otherwise word gets out. At least this applies to everything but the largest of corporations here in america, considering they've figured out a way to rob consumers of their right to negotiate and barter.
Not withstanding that, the profit margins on products such as these are so friggin high, on the order of a multiple of what they are actually worth, that I view it as bad business to not rememedy a problem. I also view it as unprofessional when a business can't communicate with their clientele about problems on a timely basis. A no reply is highly unprofessional and means someone isn't worthy of repeat business.
Let's have a look again about how quick you think one of these vendors would go broke: A single mushroom is easy to grow and can make a couple of syringes. A syringe with tip is worth 50 cents. Sure there is overhead on production and man hours but that is minimal since someone could literally make thousands of these things a day. At $15 a piece I would suggest the markup is huge. This is why they can offer such large discounts for orders involving 3 or more syringes. Also note, sometimes they are sold for $20, sometimes even $25, sometimes even more for rare strains. I for one think it to be cheap not to fix a problem because they aren't even spending $5 of their own money for the product that they are selling at 300%-500% markup, and that's if overall tey pay $5, my suggestion is that the price is a little cheaper than $5 per viable spore syringe. Anybody that's made their own syringe would realize just how cheap these things are.
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: xtofury]
#10984633 - 09/02/09 05:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not to stick my nose in the poo...but im hoping the OP is going to validate his point with pic of his cube mistake. Otherwise it would be 7 pages of slander....... Waiting .....that could have been solved with an e-mail
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fixed (as in I didn't know what the hell op means, so I got rid of my reply).
Edited by xtofury (09/02/09 07:04 AM)
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: xtofury]
#10984731 - 09/02/09 06:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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When someone writes op...it means original poster....had no intention of replying to you...
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thanks for clearing shit up ralph.
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preschooler said: Not to stick my nose in the poo...but im hoping the OP is going to validate his point with pic of his cube mistake. Otherwise it would be 7 pages of slander....... Waiting .....that could have been solved with an e-mail
Well, any experienced person can tell you when I first made the post, its cube. A few people have said just this... guess there's still some non-believers. For those that care, In attempts to keep y'all updated: I can see some first signs of primordia this morning when I woke up

I'm not even sure if Pan primordia resembles Cube, for this could be a nuther sign. Thus far still looks like every other cube I've grown.
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: Boris]
#10986562 - 09/02/09 01:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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With this many pages,replys,views,mods,and tc's involved. Its not too much to ask for final pics. eh?
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I imagine he'll give you FINAL pics when he has them.
As you can see, he doesn't have shrooms yet.
I'd love to see final pics too. I am sorta hoping they come out looking like pans.
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: Rose]
#10987086 - 09/02/09 02:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeaaaaaaaah
we need some fruits!
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: xtofury]
#10987120 - 09/02/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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xtofury said: not for me, and I'm at the stage of considering obtaining additional genetics to play with. Guess us canadians don't count, because after having got no reply from the canadian counterpart I pm'ed ralph and got no reply, and yet I sit here having successfully grown over a kilo in a single flush with negligeable contamn issues for the sort of risks that I am taking with substrates. My BRF always grows, and it almost never contamns. I can explain where the contamns come from -- I had a bad lc once which is what I get for using lc taken from a jar that still has a golden tinge to it. Between that and ralph's syringe, I've lost maybe 2 jars out of the 70 remaining jars.
Every single time I get a contamn from a viable inoculation, myc grows fine and then the contamn rears it's ugly head days later. the first batch of 10/10 bad jars with no myc growth, and the 2nd batch of 2 or however many I did with the remaining couple of cc's of innoculant with many, many different colors of mold in it, speaks for itself, because I've never gotten results that horrible since then, and I haven't been doing much of anything different either.
I wish I could have a good relationship with Ralph, seems better than sporeworks from what I hear, and I know I took too long to initiate my second test because I was planning a move, but my strict sense of consumerism disallows me to ever buy anything again from him till there's a remedy, I don't care what the policy is, if that never happens, so be it I'll expand my genetics pool by trading and by perhaps considering another sponsor. Some people win, some people lose. I'm guessing that wasn't your first time buying from him so I'm guessing that you were entitled to a little more respect, lucky you.
I live in Canada, on the other end of the country from Ralphs Canadian counterpart.
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: k4ge]
#10988538 - 09/02/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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We definitely have knots:

...But I think I see the first actual pin formation:

Quick, some one I.D. it !!!
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"We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: Boris]
#10988656 - 09/02/09 07:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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 pins in a tiny cluster. cubes
mystery cube "The Unknown Boris" strain T.U.B.s 
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: 13shrooms]
#10988764 - 09/02/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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from ralphs site...just for reference ya know
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: 13shrooms]
#10988783 - 09/02/09 07:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is my update to my post
This is suppose to be Pan Vietnamese
This is what my tray's look like so far. I'm going with cub's


What do you think?????????????????
I did speak with the man,There was no word of replacement, I filled him in on my situation, Asked if he knew what cub's where mixed in by mistake and if he had any knowledge of his last surplus of PE being incorrect. His response was "No...no idea."
Ow well
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: curbstop]
#10988811 - 09/02/09 07:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice pinset, though.
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Re: Is Ralph Slackin' ? [Re: Doc_T]
#10988820 - 09/02/09 07:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank's
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