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 krygods
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 BFR Jars with self healing injection port... 
#10984210 - 09/02/09 02:10 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If one were to use 1/2 pint jars and make tyvek lids with silicone injection ports is it possible to leave out the top layer of verm with BRF jars??
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DWGERRISH
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: krygods]
#10984217 - 09/02/09 02:13 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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you probably could if you're careful but why risk it
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HaRo On KoRn
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: DWGERRISH]
#10984224 - 09/02/09 02:16 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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hmm i would keep the dry verm too
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nastos
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
#10984231 - 09/02/09 02:19 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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if you are using tyvek as a filter it is safe to go without dry verm layer... but, really just seems like u are making more work for yourself
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krygods
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: nastos]
#10985772 - 09/02/09 10:52 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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nastos said:
if you are using tyvek as a filter it is safe to go without dry verm layer... but, really just seems like u are making more work for yourself
LoL, in a way I see your point, punching holes in the lid and working in a glove box to inoculate the jars should take as much work or more than if tyvek disks with silicone were used and inoculated in the open air.
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nastos
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: krygods]
#10985786 - 09/02/09 10:55 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I inoculate open air with just a dry verm layer.. not a contam yet.. but i run hepa filters and lysol my work area.. tyvek and injection ports are more for grain jars and LC's imo..
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 cyb3rtr0n
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: krygods]
#10985845 - 09/02/09 11:07 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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self healing holes would be easier. as long as you make a gas exchange filtered port also.
self healing ports + Tyvek filter can withstand multiple steralizations. So , it would be a set it and forget it type lid. While the other method of taping the holes has to be done each time.
The dry verm layer isn't 100% necessary as long as you have sterile procedures and filter off the gas exchange.
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krygods
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
#10985852 - 09/02/09 11:09 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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cyb3rtr0n said:
self healing holes would be easier. as long as you make a gas exchange filtered port also.
self healing ports + Tyvek filter can withstand multiple steralizations. So , it would be a set it and forget it type lid. While the other method of taping the holes has to be done each time.
The dry verm layer isn't 100% necessary as long as you have sterile procedures and filter off the gas exchange.
Thank you for confirming my speculation... 
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nastos
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
#10985879 - 09/02/09 11:15 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who said anything about tape?
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HaRo On KoRn
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: nastos]
#10986161 - 09/02/09 12:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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how big would your filter holes be
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cyb3rtr0n
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: nastos]
#10986179 - 09/02/09 12:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
nastos said:
Who said anything about tape?
If your going to leave out the dry verm layer you need some other filterd gas exchange barrier to prevent contaminates from entering the jar.
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Cryptical_Coast
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
#10986199 - 09/02/09 12:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
HaRo On KoRn said:
how big would your filter holes be
I would like to know too pl0x
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
#10986235 - 09/02/09 12:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use RTV silicon ports and a hole in the center (same size as the others) covered in micropore, because I hate the dry verm layer. I don't use the thick coarse verm, so when I birth my jars, there's always this messy procedure of scraping off the dry verm, and knocking off all these wasted little pins that always seem to develop in the dry verm layer of my PF jars.
With no dry verm layer it's a clean pop out and rinse before soaking.
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HaRo On KoRn
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: Randomstickynote]
#10986266 - 09/02/09 12:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Randomstickynote said:
I use RTV silicon ports and a hole in the center (same size as the others) covered in micropore, because I hate the dry verm layer. I don't use the thick coarse verm, so when I birth my jars, there's always this messy procedure of scraping off the dry verm, and knocking off all these wasted little pins that always seem to develop in the dry verm layer of my PF jars.
With no dry verm layer it's a clean pop out and rinse before soaking.
so just a lil tiny nail hole?
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
#10986364 - 09/02/09 12:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Basically. I use this ice pick thing that has a point, but a tiny flat edge, so when I hammer it through it acts like a hole puncher, pops out a little round circle and leaves a clean edge.
EDIT: Also, at one point I thought the one might not be enough, so I made some with 3-4 holes close together in the center, and some with just one, and the ones with just one performed just the same.
Edited by Randomstickynote (09/02/09 12:36 PM)
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HaRo On KoRn
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: Randomstickynote]
#10986395 - 09/02/09 12:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok i might try that
is it worth it?
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truskool
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
#10986653 - 09/02/09 01:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bigger cakes. I just bought some new lids yesterday I night just try this.
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: truskool]
#10987169 - 09/02/09 03:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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truskool said:
Bigger cakes. I just bought some new lids yesterday I night just try this.
Yeah, more space at the top where you'd normally have dry verm.
And yes, for me it's worth it, because I hate the dry verm cleanup, and it takes me like five minutes to make some self healing lids with a filter. Also, I covered my cakes with tyvek when I used the dry verm anyways, because any time you even pick them up (like, during injection, or any time you check them) my verm had compressed down so much that it would roll around all over the top of the cake.
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myceleus_rex
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: Randomstickynote]
#10987361 - 09/02/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sounds like what you want is the lid pictured and linked in my sig. Then why bother with the verm layer?
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truskool
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: myceleus_rex]
#10987503 - 09/02/09 03:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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myceleus_rex said:
Sounds like what you want is the lid pictured and linked in my sig. Then why bother with the verm layer?
Nice tek. 5  's for you
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krygods
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: truskool]
#10987857 - 09/02/09 04:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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i use the faht jar lids with three layers of tyvek and silicone for the injection port. only the jar band no lid.. now i wanna use them with pf style jars but i don't wanna bother with the dry verm layer...
here is the link to fahtster's write-up on the lids
Fahtsters jar lids
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HaRo On KoRn
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Re: BFR Jars with self healing injection port... [Re: truskool]
#10989277 - 09/02/09 09:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
truskool said:
Quote:
myceleus_rex said:
Sounds like what you want is the lid pictured and linked in my sig. Then why bother with the verm layer?
Nice tek. 5 's for you
x2
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