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A challenge for your entire viewership
    #1098053 - 11/30/02 10:50 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if anyone really knows the true 50/50+ ingredient values. The "experts" are so quick to refer all the newbies to these types of teks but they fail to see how vague and errored they are in their written method.

I have tried asking for clarification before... and I appreciate all the help and suggestions that I've received on OTHER recipes... however... I only want the values for the 50/50+...which specifically calls for peat moss, vermiculite, hydrated lime, oyster shell and water. i.e. if your casing tek does not contain the EXACT ingredients listed here, then although it may work fine, it does not answer THIS question.

What follows is my original unanswered request for help.

This is the recipe as I copied it from the link found in FAQ:

The exact mix, to fill a filter patch bag 3/4 full is:
15 1/2 cups vermiculite
15 1/2 cups peat moss
4 1/2 cups crushed oyster shell
1.2 cups of hydrated lime
1 cup short of a gallon of bottled water

Cups and gallons.
Fractions mixed with decimals.
And my favourite... "one cup short" .

With all due respect, (and appreciation) one needs to be clearer when quoting scientific method.

A gallon in one part of the world is 3,785.41184 mL but in the next country over its 4,546.09 mL

Also, is the value for hydrated lime a typo? Is it supposed to be in DECIMAL form? Because 1.2 cups = 1 1/5 cups NOT 1 1/2 cups or 1/2 cup as I have seen it interpreted previously.

I posted a request for clarification on proper casing ratios and got answers ranging from 4:1 all the way up to 30:1... sooooooo... I'll make this simpler.

Can someone fill in the blanks here for me? Looking for an expert opinion... not just someone to tell me that a cup=240 mL because that is false!

There is NO SUCH MEASUREMENT AS A "CUP", PEOPLE!!!!! A "cup" can vary by as much as 20% depending on who you believe.

According to certain conversion tables:

200mL= a metric "cup" .
227.3045 mL= an Imperial 8 ounce "cup"
236.58824 mL = an American 8 ounce "cup"

In fact, the only person who knows for sure the number of mL in Hawk's "cup".........is Hawk!!!!!

I don't want to sound picky.... but I have an entire month of work on the line here... and I want to be sure I'm using the right values. All I know for sure is that a mL is the same everywhere on the planet. So why not use it ?

50/50+ Casing Ingredients

mL of Peat Moss=
mL of Vemiculite=
mL of Hydrated Lime=
mL of Oyster Shell=
mL of Water=

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Re: A challenge for your entire viewership [Re: zoomzoom]
    #1098071 - 11/30/02 11:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

mL of Peat Moss=150
mL of Vemiculite=150
mL of Hydrated Lime=0
mL of crushed limestone(chalk, calcium carbonate) = 15
mL of Oyster Shell=15
mL of Water= The casing ingredients should be mixed in a bowl, then the water should be added. The correct water amount is reached, when you take a handful of the casing mix and squeeze it in your hand, not too hard, a few drops of water should come out of it. That?s the correct moisture.

Obviously this won?t fill the gallon bag, but you get the idea.

as anno said earlier... in mL, if you need more or less, just use your ratio fractions to figure out exactly how much you need

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Re: A challenge for your entire viewership [Re: zoomzoom]
    #1098072 - 11/30/02 11:11 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Mixing a casing is not an "exact" science. Cultivators in different regions do not grow under exactly the same condfitions and do not have accesss to exactly the same ingredients. Mixing the ideal casing is a matter of experience and experimentation to find "exactly" what works best under your circumstances. Rather than bitch and whine why not get started?

Good luck.


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Re: A challenge for your entire viewership [Re: dog]
    #1098078 - 11/30/02 11:15 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

strange, you posted this exact same thing to the letter, just four days ago. did you not like the four replies you got?
why don't you try your best guess, or split it in two and try two versions?

i'm a beginner too, and i understand your wish for guidance. but you could at least have reworded it.

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he got pissed off.


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Re: A challenge for your entire viewership [Re: zoomzoom]
    #1098094 - 11/30/02 11:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)


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