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first bluk grow (need help)
    #10970718 - 08/31/09 01:45 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

ive been messing around with brf cakes, and ive done a few castings but im not getting the numbers that i want. its hard to keep my casting free from contaminate, i think its from my ac, im about to put a hemp filter on the AC ducked.  i want bigger numbers but im scared of trying a monotub cus for fear of getting contamination and losing the time and jars. im think about getting a mini greenhouses or a martha closet bag thingly and a vaporizer. could anyone let me know if you ues one of these setups. i really hope this will fix my problems.And when im making the hpoo is it ok to PC it for 1 hour or should i pasteurize. im really tired of throwing away early stage castings.

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: toranaga801]
    #10970883 - 08/31/09 03:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Use the search tool. Look at people success and failures with things such as 'Martha' setups.

Other than your hpoo question I'm not sure exactly what it is you are asking here.. just seems like you are telling us you want to go bulk. My advice: read the forums.


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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: Satori23]
    #10971142 - 08/31/09 06:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Simple, don't have any holes in your mono, and before you open your tub, turn off ac, approach tub, wait 5 minutes and have a smoke, don't move.  I'm growing in a room with carpet and I frequently leave the window open because I find my house gets too hot, so I need air circulation to get the temp down, no ac here.  What you ought to do is ensure that eddies aren't carrying trich spores into your box, not worrying about an ac which you can switch off when you crack the thing open and have a peek.

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: xtofury]
    #10972744 - 08/31/09 01:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hey dude how often do you lose a batch when doing a monotub ? could you give a a run down on how you do it ? how big are your tubs and how many jars do you ues for spawn.do you ues rye or bird seed ? for your castings do you pc it or pasteurize it ? ive been reading about to go above 180 when cooking hpoo cus it loses Bactria and that can start a Bactria bloom could this be the reason why ive got green shit everywhere
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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: toranaga801]
    #10973227 - 08/31/09 03:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)




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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: feelfunny]
    #10973245 - 08/31/09 03:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

what will you be useing?


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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: feelfunny]
    #10974115 - 08/31/09 05:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

how many jars did you add to them tubs ?

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: toranaga801]
    #10974124 - 08/31/09 05:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

2 WBS jars and 4 coir jars


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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: feelfunny]
    #10974127 - 08/31/09 05:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

small tubs


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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: feelfunny]
    #10974327 - 08/31/09 05:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

op:  you dont steralize your casing layer do you? just wondering.


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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: toranaga801]
    #10975323 - 08/31/09 08:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

LOL actually it's the first time, lost 1 tub (but I'm pretty sure I know why) and the other is going to be watered tonight for the next flush.

I used hay (which is prone to contamn, but seems to be workin well) sheep poo (which is better than cow poo from what I heard and more like horse poo in terms of usefulness), gypsum (drywall this time, next time pellitized), coffee grinds, I cased.  Next batch of monotubs is 8 of them, so I'll have a better idea of what the contamn rate is.  I used a low spawn ratio, of 1:5 roughly.  So I'm a little bit more of a risk taker than most, it's all in how much risk you are willing to take which will set your ratio of success to contamn.
At least I got a flush out of the one lost tub before putting it outside, but it was lost quick, like within 6 hours of seeing trich, the whole thing started to rank and a huge patch popped out of nowhere, having come from infecting a single piece of hay that was sticking out of the casing layer.

My yeild would have been much higher than 2 kilos wet total for 3 flushes had I not lost that one tub, I was well on my way to getting 3-3.5 of course this being an estimate, though I've already gotten a kilo so I don't see why not.  Of course once dried that turns into 2 1/2 oz's, which I am happy with for a first flush.  I wasn't being accurate with my weighing, but there's no way that I got anything less than a kilo given the dry weight.

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: xtofury]
    #10975491 - 08/31/09 08:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hey man your the shit, do you PC your sheeps poo ? ive tryed hay and im not a fan of it its too much of a pain in the ass to shred the shit. how wet does your hay/poo start off ? i think im going to do my layers on dryer side just that way i can spray when needed.And yea gotfungus i Pc my hpoo for a hour

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: toranaga801]
    #10976465 - 08/31/09 11:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

don't pc for bulk, pasteurize at 160-170F

You want good bacteria in there which will make a trich contamn harder to occur.  I neglected the 2nd bag of pasteurized stuff, soaked it good and then sealed in ziplock baggies, it smelled like rotten eggs when I opened it but it's weird because I expected that tub to go, and it's doing a hell of alot better than the tub that I had been more careful with.

pc'ing makes things more prone to contamn, because there's no competition between organisms in there, the only thing there is to compete is your myc, may as well have good bacteria in there to make a good battleground against trich and other molds.

Don't get me wrong, it works great for jars, but as far as bulks go, they are designed to be less sterile and work fine that way, and contamns are only ineviteable, it depends how greedy you get and how many flushes you try to push it through till point of exhaustion of the substrate.


The hay is a bit of a pain to shred, I just use scissors, it didn't take too long, plus it's got lotsa nutes for big fat mushies.  Straw not so much, but if you find both to be a pain, coir might be a good substitute.  I don't worry about saturation, essentially when I'm pasteurizing in a pillowcase within my lidless pc full of boiling water, the poo gets leeched as well which gets the ph nice as well.  Some nutes are gone from this process, but the hay retains most of it's nutes.  Field capacity for saturation is something you'll learn to recognize, I just squeezed my poo as much as possible, this is good enough.  I think perhaps I got a little lazy and was on the wet side, but according to the dried results it wasn't a mistake, even if this bin goes south now, I'm still happy with it and have more than I can possibly bother consuming before my next run.  Dryer will reduce contamn issues, but might make for smaller flushes, it is a delicate balance in nature and when you bring things indoor it is difficult to address the variability that occurs outdoors, this is what makes indoors more prone to contamn, aside from the general confined space that allows a specific contamn to become dominant, outdoors nothing easily gains dominance.

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: xtofury]
    #10978761 - 09/01/09 11:07 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yea i think where i was going wrong on my bulk trys was Pc the layers. whats your ratio or poo hay lime and coffee.

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: toranaga801]
    #10978812 - 09/01/09 11:16 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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yea i think where i was going wrong on my bulk trys was Pc the layers. whats your ratio or poo hay lime and coffee.





No need for lime in substrates, just with casing layers.  I have a bulk substrate writeup in my journal if you're interested; Iam still working on it some. best of luck! :shineon: ~P~


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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: Psuper]
    #10981963 - 09/01/09 07:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

5% gypsum, 5% coffee, 45% hay, 45% poo.  If you add other ingredients, do so, try to keep hay/straw to poo ratio about even, or more heavy with the hay/straw.

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: Psuper]
    #10982107 - 09/01/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

just cooked 18 qt jars 6 wbs 12 rye. put them into 3 grps of 6. two of the grps are 3 wbs 3 rye the 3rd grp is 6 rye. grp 1 is getting liquid myc taz. grp 2 is getting PESA spores. grp 3 is getting rye to rye it was said to be Z but its look more like B+ got the spike from some hack spore site. monotubs 58 qts (medium sized tub) so im thinking 3qts of spawn to 8qts 3 hpoo 2 hay 3 ver and 250 ml of gypsum and 250 ml of coffee grinds. what you guys think ? i'll post some pics in a few days

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: toranaga801]
    #10982577 - 09/01/09 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds ok, just don't go too heavy on the coffee, it really isn't any good to do more than 5-10% of the sub with it, only because it'll throw ph off.  Otherwise, if the ratios look ok visually (you can eye them out, I do) then go for it.

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Re: first bluk grow (need help) [Re: xtofury]
    #10999684 - 09/04/09 03:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Ok update. i cooked up another 18 qt jars with WBS i know i cant fuck up this many.... or can i. i know everyone loves pics i'll have them over the weekend

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