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OfflineCoLo
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How big is big
    #10967909 - 08/30/09 05:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

After some pretty small grain substrates (now realised to be small), my fellow shroomers and I have moved on to bulk substrates using horse poo and not too far down the line have had 5 pre first flush mutants that together weigh in at +- 500g. The largest of which was 206g and couldnt hold itself up :laugh:

These are GT's and we are wondering just how big GT's and cubensis in general tend to get on bulk and where our monsters rate in terms of whats out there. Ive seen some pretty huge B+ though. Pics to follow.. if I can get it right :wink: There are also some pics of a 2nd tub that landed up being alot more normal in size and plentiful in number :smile:



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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10967933 - 08/30/09 05:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Wow...:eek:


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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10967943 - 08/30/09 05:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

nice...

put a chin strap on one and wear it as a hat..lol


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Re: How big is big [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #10967959 - 08/30/09 05:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Nice man! :whoa:


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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10968070 - 08/30/09 06:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

If you have two of those big fuckers you could make a shroom bra. Drug themed porn ftw!

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Re: How big is big [Re: SeniorCoolo]
    #10968123 - 08/30/09 06:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

B+ are normally the biggest of the cubes that I have found. Orissa is suppose to be big, but mine are very small. My AT's are big but most peoples are small. They seem to vary alot. What I mean by that is I have gotten syringes of the same strain and some will suck and others will be great. Multispore is random as hell.

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Re: How big is big [Re: Cloneufc]
    #10968315 - 08/30/09 06:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Oh man I have a tub that got pretty messed up and now only has one shroom growing in it. I hope to god it get that big  :dancingshroom:


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Re: How big is big [Re: mushroommaan]
    #10968326 - 08/30/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Eat the biggest one and tell me how it goes :thumbup:


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Re: How big is big [Re: mushroommaan]
    #10968329 - 08/30/09 06:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

wow, never seen gt that big. Maybe post a pic of it to strain/race thread for posterity.


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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10968494 - 08/30/09 07:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

im digging this first post of yours. well done.


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Re: How big is big [Re: cyb3rtr0n]
    #10968583 - 08/30/09 07:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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cyb3rtr0n said:
nice...

put a chin strap on one and wear it as a hat..lol




Make a spore print on a bald guys head.

EDIT: fucking nice pics by the way, makes me wanna grow cubes

Edited by badman (08/30/09 07:40 PM)

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Re: How big is big [Re: prismism]
    #10968594 - 08/30/09 07:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Where'd you get the Poo???


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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10968632 - 08/30/09 07:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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you have grassies growing in your sub.


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Re: How big is big [Re: prismism]
    #10968910 - 08/30/09 08:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Wow!!

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Re: How big is big [Re: fast-fish]
    #10969656 - 08/30/09 09:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

clone it! before printing!! Nice!!

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Re: How big is big [Re: drumjam]
    #10969909 - 08/30/09 10:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'm amazed, seriously!

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Re: How big is big [Re: GlassApex]
    #10970161 - 08/30/09 11:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

what are you? a two foot tall leprechan mycologist? because those big ones are almost the size of your arm!

ive not seen a bigger cube. well mabey but not really...

holy cow.

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Re: How big is big [Re: chronosync]
    #10970231 - 08/30/09 11:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Holy crap!  I LOVE SEEING PICS LIKE THOSE but when it comes to "everyday" GROWING.... I prefer 100 normal sized shrooms to 10 monsters.  It's just easier to  break down into doses.  Don't get me wrong!..... Those are AMAZING! :super:


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Re: How big is big [Re: chronosync]
    #10970237 - 08/30/09 11:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Holy motherfucking shit man...

those are monstrous!
That scares me. I dare you to eat one of those in one night.
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Re: How big is big [Re: HopanDubMan]
    #10970290 - 08/30/09 11:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The biggest would be something like 20g dry? 1 mushroom for 6 or 7 people :smile:


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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10970498 - 08/31/09 12:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Holy shit dude.

Thats some nice cultivating right there :thumbup:

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Re: How big is big [Re: season]
    #10970817 - 08/31/09 02:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:laugh: Well im honoured.. Sounds like we got something rather out of the ordinary and I had a um.. suspicion LOL!.. but its hardly like we've been going with bulk for very long and another tub we have (the 2 last pics) is obviously getting more and smaller, which is nice. One interesting thing to note is the tub with the monsters got contaminated pretty early so maybe it thought "OH crap! quick crank out a monster to drop as many spores as possible!" Either way.. Id say its pure luck not experience. It is of agar though, not multispore.

Oh and yes theres grass in the poo :laugh:


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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10970823 - 08/31/09 02:36 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Nice fucking shroom! Now I dare you to eat the whole thing!! :grin:

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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10970846 - 08/31/09 02:52 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Way to be!!!  :thumbup::thumbup:
And I thought my GTs were big...
You win!


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Re: How big is big [Re: FoxFire]
    #10970906 - 08/31/09 03:20 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

WOW AMAZING :mushroom2:

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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10971178 - 08/31/09 06:31 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

pshh ive seen bigger...ok no i havnt...good job


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Re: How big is big [Re: billycorgan55]
    #10971765 - 08/31/09 10:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

CLONE!! Please!  Those are incredible.  Even the smallers ones with the pointy caps are pretty amazing looking.  You seem to be blessed with some insane genetics all around.  Congrats!

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Re: How big is big [Re: libertaire]
    #10971804 - 08/31/09 10:13 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

OP, seems like you got a lot of dares to eat the whole thing. I might just forward you a print if you post a video of you eating the beast :lol:

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Re: How big is big [Re: Sebastien]
    #10972185 - 08/31/09 11:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I second the eating. If you did you would officially be a bad motherfucker.

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Re: How big is big [Re: SeniorCoolo]
    #10972225 - 08/31/09 11:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

That's a waste, don't do it.  Unless you're seriously experienced in tripping and think you're ready for that level.  Otherwise, I seriously doubt the mushrooms will reward your for your recklessness.  Just sayin...:smirk:

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Re: How big is big [Re: libertaire]
    #10972323 - 08/31/09 12:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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That's a waste, don't do it.  Unless you're seriously experienced in tripping and think you're ready for that level.  Otherwise, I seriously doubt the mushrooms will reward your for your recklessness.  Just sayin...:smirk:




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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10972396 - 08/31/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How big is big [Re: panaeolus]
    #10972451 - 08/31/09 12:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:billymaythumbup:

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Re: How big is big [Re: prismism]
    #10974946 - 08/31/09 07:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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That's a waste, don't do it.  Unless you're seriously experienced in tripping and think you're ready for that level.  Otherwise, I seriously doubt the mushrooms will reward your for your recklessness.  Just sayin...:smirk:




heed this advice. im all for an intense trip but one must draw the line somewhere.
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Dont be stupid...I had a freind who on a dare ate 7gs for his first time...Now he seriously regrets it...Dont do it unless your ready


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Re: How big is big [Re: billycorgan55]
    #10975028 - 08/31/09 07:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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libertaire said:
That's a waste, don't do it.  Unless you're seriously experienced in tripping and think you're ready for that level.  Otherwise, I seriously doubt the mushrooms will reward your for your recklessness.  Just sayin...:smirk:




heed this advice. im all for an intense trip but one must draw the line somewhere.
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Dont be stupid...I had a freind who on a dare ate 7gs for his first time...Now he seriously regrets it...Dont do it unless your ready





dude you told him to not be stupid but then go on to say the same thing he said basically, dont take them unless your ready for that hard of a trip...


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Re: How big is big [Re: TacoHerder]
    #10975243 - 08/31/09 07:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:irishtoast: Fuckin-A-Right!!!


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Re: How big is big [Re: Bugzy]
    #10977728 - 09/01/09 05:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i would only need one bite of that monster to ride the snake...

i would never eat mushrooms on a dare.

thats crazy talk. anyone up for a game of acid tag?

diddnt think so...

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Re: How big is big [Re: chronosync]
    #10977745 - 09/01/09 05:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

LMAO anybody ever eat an ounce before?

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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
    #10977783 - 09/01/09 06:22 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I was talking to a guy in chat the other day who ate 20g dry over the course of 12 hours... he said by the time it was over, he just wanted it to end.  The guy hasn't tripped since.

I don't recommend abusing the fungus in that manner, otherwise a welcome friend may just become a bitter enemy.


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Re: How big is big [Re: Lostkeys]
    #10977845 - 09/01/09 07:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

lol the most I've ever eaten was an 8th then munched an extra gram.
nowadays I just do 1-2 g's ...
my fiancee seems a little more gun ho and wants to do 30 g's fresh, but I don't think I want to risk having a bad trip for 6 hours....

so I'm gunna suggest lemon tek.

My trips are pretty intense with what I take anyways, first cubes I ate that I grew from pf tek cakes I was hallucinating like mad offa 8.5 wet.

I decided to take a break, haven't touched em now for a week and a half because I want that magic back and I don't want to gorge myself on shrooms for it....

Respect is key, but still, it must be a pretty insane trip at that level.  That sucker would definitely dry out to be a bad ass trip from hell....  I personally wouldn't do it.

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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
    #10977977 - 09/01/09 07:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

no way. eating that huge mushroom. i would start tripping before i even got through it. then i would start wondering why i was eating it anyways. then i would say to myself, oh whoops.. too late.. and down the rabbit hole i go.... too late... sorry..

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Re: How big is big [Re: chronosync]
    #10978159 - 09/01/09 09:01 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i have eaten 6 grams and then 2 hours later ate 6 more grams. that trip had its amazing moments..but towards the end you indeed want it to stop. your brain starts to worry that it will never go back to normal. and nobody likes that feeling. its a good thing it eventually always goes away. so from now on i never take a second dose.


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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10978195 - 09/01/09 09:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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the texture of the caps is awesome.

awesome first post it looks like the shrooms like their enviroment you must have studied well :thumbup:


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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
    #10978283 - 09/01/09 09:28 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

beautiful myco porn.....thanks for sharing!
    im interested in your grow tek! its obvious that your using grain/bulk substrates.
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what exactly is your medium...rye,popcorn,wbs? and do you have any additives that your putting in with your substrate prior to inoculation?
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spawning to hpoo- whats the composition of your mix that your spawning to?
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and finally, havent started agar isolation yet, but i understand the process-how far did you isolate from your initial agar culture? as in how many times did you transfer to fresh plates the preferred growth section?<hope that makes sense>
i apologize in advance if this isnt a good place to be quizzing people on their grow tek...but im really interested in being able to replicate your results...O so sexy mushrooms! i could feed the whole family with one of those mutants!

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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10978691 - 09/01/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: How big is big [Re: birdisaword]
    #10978798 - 09/01/09 11:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms grow via cell expansion, not cell multiplication. So example: 5 mushrooms weighing 5grams total is going to have more alkaloids then ONE 5gram mushrooms. Big can be an awesome thing to behold, but smaller/numbers is best imo. Most strains that don't grow very large, often grow in large numbers. I prefer those.


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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
    #10981952 - 09/01/09 07:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Just because a mushroom is bigger doesn't mean that the cells have expanded more, all of the cells for a mushroom are there before you even notice a pin.  The bigger the mushroom, the more cells, not the greater the expansion, therefore the alkaloids can often be roughly the same, and so can the potency.  This reasons out to sound a bit like a myth.  The size thing only applies to mushrooms harvested earlier, but the alkaloids develop during and throughout development and not just when pins start to form, otherwise people wouldn't bother letting anything grow and just harvest the pins the moment they get noticed.

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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
    #10982028 - 09/01/09 07:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.


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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10982105 - 09/01/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:what:


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    #10982127 - 09/01/09 07:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How big is big [Re: TacoHerder]
    #10982150 - 09/01/09 07:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10219286#10219286

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Mushrooms grow via cell expansion rather than cell multiplication. After the pinning stage, the cells are only becoming engorged with water, not multiplying. Smaller fruits, gram for gram, are far more potent than larger fruits. This is a fact.

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As we know, when mushrooms grow, they don't grow by cell division. The cells expand as they engorge with water. A small pin has all the cells it will have as a large mushroom. That's why a small fruit has nearly as much actives as a much larger fruit. The larger fruit is engorged with water, thus it's less potent by weight. That's a fact. Five grams of small mushrooms are far more potent than a single five gram fruit. That's also a fact. The picture of fahtsters above is in the pinning stage. Only a few of the caps have started to tear the veils. The picture from 24 hours later is on my video, and they're quite a bit larger. All bs aside, you don't compare the size of fruits from a four to six inch deep substrate to fruits from a half pint cake. This argument will be going on long after we're all dead and buried. I just won't have people trashing teks because they're unable to pull off grows with them. Ask any long-time grower who has used all methods, and most will tell you for large amounts of fruits, go with bulk substrates such as manure or coir. However, most of us aren't into selling mushrooms, and a few cakes are more than enough for personal use. There is no difference in potency between mushrooms from cakes and from bulk substrates, unless one lets the fruits from the bulk substrate get very large, at which time they're considerably weaker. Think of it like a balloon. If you blow it up bigger, you don't increase the amount of rubber in it. (emphasis added)




When I grow the good stuff for myself, I always pick them when there 2-3 day old pins. With this way you get a more concentrated mushroom, So you only need to eat 1g to get a bad-ass trip. Honestly, when I have to eat 3-4g of mushrooms to get a good trip, All night my stomach is pissed off, and I'm in and out of the bathroom with the runs. :lol:

If you let them grow any larger then 2-3 day old pins, your just deluding the mushroom with excess mushroom fiber rather then psychedelic alkaloids. If I was growing to sell, I would let them grow out large to make more money off of the weight: but like I said, I just grow for my self, so I enjoy the higher potency gram for gram and eating less to obtain the same high of eating 3-4 regular potency mushrooms.




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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10982159 - 09/01/09 07:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.



makes the most sense

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Re: How big is big [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
    #10982234 - 09/01/09 07:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.



makes the most sense




Doesn't make it true.


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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
    #10982266 - 09/01/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.



makes the most sense




Doesn't make it true.



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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
    #10982268 - 09/01/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.



makes the most sense




Doesn't make it true.




Burden of proof is upon you. You're the one making the unsubstantiated claim that smaller mushrooms are more potent. Prove it.


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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
    #10982426 - 09/01/09 08:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Mushrooms grow via cell expansion rather than cell multiplication. After the pinning stage, the cells are only becoming engorged with water, not multiplying. Smaller fruits, gram for gram, are far more potent than larger fruits. This is a fact.

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RR said:All bs aside, you don't compare the size of fruits from a four to six inch deep substrate to fruits from a half pint cake.







That's the point I think you're missing.  True, the bigger you let a fruit get, the less potent it becomes by weight, because of this cell expansion phenomenon, but it's all respective to what the substrates output potential is.  As RR said, you can't compare the fruits of a bulk grow to those of a half pint grow, because of the fact that where there are more nutrients, there is more cell production at the outset, and therefore more potential for those cells to expand and thus produce larger fruits.  So I'm curious though.  Does that mean that if you were to pick a 5 gram fruit from a bulk grow and a 5 gram fruit of the same genetics from a cake grow, the bulk fruit would be more potent.  I seem to have confused myself, ha.

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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10982530 - 09/01/09 08:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

got any pics of that setup? how big is that sub?

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Re: How big is big [Re: libertaire]
    #10982556 - 09/01/09 08:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It depends, but if all of the actives were there nobody would bother letting mushies grow to when they can see the veil because it would be a total waste of time.  Yes indeed pins are more concentrated vs. bigger shrooms, but that doesn't mean that additional alkaloid production won't take place in the meantime.  Point in fact, you can get retarded from a 60g mushroom or, you can pick it when it's pin is still white and weighs .3 and not get retarded.

The actives are there, and are more concentrated when young, but are generated through development as well and therefore, size has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of actives you get.  Smaller shrooms don't mean more potent, because I've had big ones that are relatively the same as the small ones in my batch, weight wise.  And I would tend to agree with the last poster's points, I think there's a handful of points which are valid.

I think active production is highest when the pin forms, and gradually this production tapers off as the mushroom gets bigger because it is a defensive mechanism against things eating it (not a very good one, but still something that would be advantageous in nature, because the squirrels trippin out on it would probably not be as keen at avoiding predators and dangers -- for example).  The actives taper off because the fruit must focus more effort on maturing and ejecting spores and it doesn't need to make any more actives (or not so much, only maintain potency levels) because the fruit is about to wither and die soon anyways.  It is fruiting only for one purpose, reproduction, once those spores are ejected, the mycellium doesn't have any use for the fruit anymore, and animals eating it turn from pest to symbiote, because they will do some additional work for the mycellium when it comes to spreading it's spores around.  Even shitting them out all over the place.

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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
    #10982584 - 09/01/09 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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It depends, but if all of the actives were there nobody would bother letting mushies grow to when they can see the veil because it would be a total waste of time.  Yes indeed pins are more concentrated vs. bigger shrooms, but that doesn't mean that additional alkaloid production won't take place in the meantime.  Point in fact, you can get retarded from a 60g mushroom or, you can pick it when it's pin is still white and weighs .3 and not get retarded.

The actives are there, and are more concentrated when young, but are generated through development as well and therefore, size has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of actives you get.  Smaller shrooms don't mean more potent, because I've had big ones that are relatively the same as the small ones in my batch, weight wise.  And I would tend to agree with the last poster's points, I think there's a handful of points which are valid.

I think active production is highest when the pin forms, and gradually this production tapers off as the mushroom gets bigger because it is a defensive mechanism against things eating it (not a very good one, but still something that would be advantageous in nature, because the squirrels trippin out on it would probably not be as keen at avoiding predators and dangers -- for example).  The actives taper off because the fruit must focus more effort on maturing and ejecting spores and it doesn't need to make any more actives (or not so much, only maintain potency levels) because the fruit is about to wither and die soon anyways.  It is fruiting only for one purpose, reproduction, once those spores are ejected, the mycellium doesn't have any use for the fruit anymore, and animals eating it turn from pest to symbiote, because they will do some additional work for the mycellium when it comes to spreading it's spores around.  Even shitting them out all over the place.



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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
    #10982604 - 09/01/09 08:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Welp, ...I'm done. No point in arguing when other people, "Know it all".

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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
    #10982643 - 09/01/09 08:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Welp, ...I'm done. No point in arguing when other people, "Know it all".

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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
    #10983074 - 09/01/09 10:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Welp, ...I'm done. No point in arguing when other people, "Know it all".

...:wow:

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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
    #10983567 - 09/01/09 11:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

lol, actualy there is almost never a point to argueing.
State your case and proofs and move on until refuted.

Shit man, on a quantum level the shrooms aren't even realy there!

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    #10984219 - 09/02/09 02:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How big is big [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
    #10984297 - 09/02/09 02:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't read this entire thread,so I don't know if anyone has said somethin about the grass growing in that tub.

Since plants convert CO2 into O2, does anyone think that grass could have significantly helped that biggun out in the first pics?

I think it had an impact.


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    #10984520 - 09/02/09 05:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I think it could have helped provide optimum conditions for it, but it's potential to get that big was set in stone the second the first two spores met each other.

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Re: How big is big [Re: libertaire]
    #10984530 - 09/02/09 05:08 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Also, I don't think anyone is claiming to know it all.  We just are providing our opinions based on the set of data we have available.  You're entitled to your own opinion as well, but that doesn't make yours correct either.  I just think what I and others said makes the most sense given the circumstances, that's all.

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Re: How big is big [Re: Humbled]
    #10984584 - 09/02/09 05:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

it could be beneficial for two reasons:
1)co2-->02, on a minimal level since it takes a while for a plant to process it's own biomass equivalent of co2 into oxygen.
2)mycozorrae symbiosis along root-structure, aren't these the bacteria which we want to keep by pasteurizing and not pc'ing a bulk substrate?

It could potentially improve the contamn resistance of a substrate, but comes with a cost of using up nutes.

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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
    #10984864 - 09/02/09 07:20 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i imagine the only way to eat something that big would be to grind it up and mix it in with some food. then serve it for thanksgiving dinner to an unsuspecting bunch at the retirement home.


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    #10984878 - 09/02/09 07:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

lmao, good idea.  Would you like to try some homemade blue raspberry lemonade?

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Re: How big is big [Re: Humbled]
    #10985445 - 09/02/09 09:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I haven't read this entire thread,so I don't know if anyone has said somethin about the grass growing in that tub.

Since plants convert CO2 into O2, does anyone think that grass could have significantly helped that biggun out in the first pics?

I think it had an impact.




i have heard RR talk about putting plants in your fcs for the reason you stated. what he said was that one plant doesnt produce enough oxygen for it to make any difference. and the plant and soil itself are breeding grounds for contams.


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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
    #10985964 - 09/02/09 11:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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2)mycozorrae symbiosis along root-structure, aren't these the bacteria which we want to keep by pasteurizing and not pc'ing a bulk substrate?






Also along these lines, the fact that the grass seeds survived the pasteurization process show us that he pasteurized rather gently. This could also have contributed to his excellent results.


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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10986181 - 09/02/09 12:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

maybe shrooms and grass have a bond we dont know about

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Re: How big is big [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
    #10986327 - 09/02/09 12:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Stamets explained a bond between plants and mycelium. he talks about it in one of the many youtube vids.


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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
    #10986352 - 09/02/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I think its somewhere in here:
This is a better version then whats on youtube actually

http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html

When he talks about a, "Lifebox"


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    #10986362 - 09/02/09 12:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

thats intresting i will be sure too bookmark to watch soon

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    #10990004 - 09/02/09 11:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

When I saw that pic in the beginning, It just looked right to me. A natural looking scene.

What about having a tray suspended above the mushroom substrate with a lot of well converting plants like.... say.... Cannabis. The O2 produced by the ganja would in turn supply the booms and  CO2 vice versa.

That idea has been brewing in my head for a long time.


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Re: How big is big [Re: Humbled]
    #10990489 - 09/03/09 01:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

ganja uses more Co2 then it produces

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Re: How big is big [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
    #10990570 - 09/03/09 01:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yup, that's the point. Use up the CO2 from the shrooms, put out o2 for the shrooms.

They would all have to be in the same chamber though.


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Re: How big is big [Re: Humbled]
    #10990593 - 09/03/09 01:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i see alot of mold contams with MJ plants i think if you had a lot of mono tubs u could build a system were fresh air goes into FC then pushes the Co2 in the grow room

now that would be a really nice way of supplying your grow room with Co2

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Re: How big is big [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
    #10990606 - 09/03/09 02:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

O too add to that if you dont got a MJ GR you could have the Co2 being pumped out
put in to a colonizing tub

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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10990781 - 09/03/09 03:45 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

YOU BETTER HAVE LC'D THAT MUTHERFUCKER!

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Re: How big is big [Re: Lostkeys]
    #10990792 - 09/03/09 03:53 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I was talking to a guy in chat the other day who ate 20g dry over the course of 12 hours... he said by the time it was over, he just wanted it to end.  The guy hasn't tripped since.

I don't recommend abusing the fungus in that manner, otherwise a welcome friend may just become a bitter enemy.




I would think if you spread it over 12 hours it would just be one damn long trip...

I mean, 1.66g an hour...
I wonder if you will even get to level 5 in that manner... Or be able to dose yourself to much without trying to dose yourself too much...

Think about it, 1.66g, to get to 5g, you need 3 hours, by which time the first dose would be coming down, the second one peaking, and the third one still inactive, so after 3 hours and having 5g in you, a total of 3.2g would be active at this point in time. On the 4rth hour, the first dose will be considerably down, the second coming down, the third peaking, and the fourth inactive, it still should only have the strength of no more than 4g, if that.
All in all, it looks to me, that it would be like a steady 4g-5g, maby, at max, 6g-7g trip that lasts just WAY long... And personally, if the trip is going good and isn't too hairy, then I see no reason why you would ever want it to end...

Just eat little by little till you don't want to anymore, if you can't stop yourself when it starts getting hairy and you don't want to trip harder then there is something wrong with you.

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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
    #10990819 - 09/03/09 04:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How big is big [Re: The Centre]
    #10996612 - 09/04/09 01:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Lostkeys said:
I was talking to a guy in chat the other day who ate 20g dry over the course of 12 hours... he said by the time it was over, he just wanted it to end.  The guy hasn't tripped since.

I don't recommend abusing the fungus in that manner, otherwise a welcome friend may just become a bitter enemy.




I would think if you spread it over 12 hours it would just be one damn long trip...

I mean, 1.66g an hour...
I wonder if you will even get to level 5 in that manner... Or be able to dose yourself to much without trying to dose yourself too much...

Think about it, 1.66g, to get to 5g, you need 3 hours, by which time the first dose would be coming down, the second one peaking, and the third one still inactive, so after 3 hours and having 5g in you, a total of 3.2g would be active at this point in time. On the 4rth hour, the first dose will be considerably down, the second coming down, the third peaking, and the fourth inactive, it still should only have the strength of no more than 4g, if that.
All in all, it looks to me, that it would be like a steady 4g-5g, maby, at max, 6g-7g trip that lasts just WAY long... And personally, if the trip is going good and isn't too hairy, then I see no reason why you would ever want it to end...

Just eat little by little till you don't want to anymore, if you can't stop yourself when it starts getting hairy and you don't want to trip harder then there is something wrong with you.



i dont know i think the rules are a lil diffrent

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