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chronosync
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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
#10977977 - 09/01/09 07:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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no way. eating that huge mushroom. i would start tripping before i even got through it. then i would start wondering why i was eating it anyways. then i would say to myself, oh whoops.. too late.. and down the rabbit hole i go.... too late... sorry..
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i have eaten 6 grams and then 2 hours later ate 6 more grams. that trip had its amazing moments..but towards the end you indeed want it to stop. your brain starts to worry that it will never go back to normal. and nobody likes that feeling. its a good thing it eventually always goes away. so from now on i never take a second dose.
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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
#10978195 - 09/01/09 09:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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CoLo said:
the texture of the caps is awesome.
awesome first post it looks like the shrooms like their enviroment you must have studied well
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Re: How big is big [Re: CoLo]
#10978283 - 09/01/09 09:28 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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beautiful myco porn.....thanks for sharing! im interested in your grow tek! its obvious that your using grain/bulk substrates. ---- what exactly is your medium...rye,popcorn,wbs? and do you have any additives that your putting in with your substrate prior to inoculation? ---- spawning to hpoo- whats the composition of your mix that your spawning to? ---- what kinda casing are you using? ---- and finally, havent started agar isolation yet, but i understand the process-how far did you isolate from your initial agar culture? as in how many times did you transfer to fresh plates the preferred growth section?<hope that makes sense> i apologize in advance if this isnt a good place to be quizzing people on their grow tek...but im really interested in being able to replicate your results...O so sexy mushrooms! i could feed the whole family with one of those mutants!
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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
#10978691 - 09/01/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boris
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Mushrooms grow via cell expansion, not cell multiplication. So example: 5 mushrooms weighing 5grams total is going to have more alkaloids then ONE 5gram mushrooms. Big can be an awesome thing to behold, but smaller/numbers is best imo. Most strains that don't grow very large, often grow in large numbers. I prefer those.
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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
#10981952 - 09/01/09 07:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just because a mushroom is bigger doesn't mean that the cells have expanded more, all of the cells for a mushroom are there before you even notice a pin. The bigger the mushroom, the more cells, not the greater the expansion, therefore the alkaloids can often be roughly the same, and so can the potency. This reasons out to sound a bit like a myth. The size thing only applies to mushrooms harvested earlier, but the alkaloids develop during and throughout development and not just when pins start to form, otherwise people wouldn't bother letting anything grow and just harvest the pins the moment they get noticed.
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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
#10982028 - 09/01/09 07:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.
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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
#10982105 - 09/01/09 07:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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"We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
#10982127 - 09/01/09 07:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10219286#10219286
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Boris said: Mushrooms grow via cell expansion rather than cell multiplication. After the pinning stage, the cells are only becoming engorged with water, not multiplying. Smaller fruits, gram for gram, are far more potent than larger fruits. This is a fact.
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RR said: As we know, when mushrooms grow, they don't grow by cell division. The cells expand as they engorge with water. A small pin has all the cells it will have as a large mushroom. That's why a small fruit has nearly as much actives as a much larger fruit. The larger fruit is engorged with water, thus it's less potent by weight. That's a fact. Five grams of small mushrooms are far more potent than a single five gram fruit. That's also a fact. The picture of fahtsters above is in the pinning stage. Only a few of the caps have started to tear the veils. The picture from 24 hours later is on my video, and they're quite a bit larger. All bs aside, you don't compare the size of fruits from a four to six inch deep substrate to fruits from a half pint cake. This argument will be going on long after we're all dead and buried. I just won't have people trashing teks because they're unable to pull off grows with them. Ask any long-time grower who has used all methods, and most will tell you for large amounts of fruits, go with bulk substrates such as manure or coir. However, most of us aren't into selling mushrooms, and a few cakes are more than enough for personal use. There is no difference in potency between mushrooms from cakes and from bulk substrates, unless one lets the fruits from the bulk substrate get very large, at which time they're considerably weaker. Think of it like a balloon. If you blow it up bigger, you don't increase the amount of rubber in it. (emphasis added)
When I grow the good stuff for myself, I always pick them when there 2-3 day old pins. With this way you get a more concentrated mushroom, So you only need to eat 1g to get a bad-ass trip. Honestly, when I have to eat 3-4g of mushrooms to get a good trip, All night my stomach is pissed off, and I'm in and out of the bathroom with the runs.
If you let them grow any larger then 2-3 day old pins, your just deluding the mushroom with excess mushroom fiber rather then psychedelic alkaloids. If I was growing to sell, I would let them grow out large to make more money off of the weight: but like I said, I just grow for my self, so I enjoy the higher potency gram for gram and eating less to obtain the same high of eating 3-4 regular potency mushrooms.
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"We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
#10982159 - 09/01/09 07:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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anonjon said: Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.
makes the most sense
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HaRo On KoRn said:
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anonjon said: Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.
makes the most sense
Doesn't make it true.
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"We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
Edited by Boris (09/01/09 07:59 PM)
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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
#10982266 - 09/01/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boris said:
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anonjon said: Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.
makes the most sense
Doesn't make it true.
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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
#10982268 - 09/01/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boris said:
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anonjon said: Dry weight is dry weight. Bigger mushroom not necessarily less potent. Mushrooms cells do expand, but it doesn't mean they all have the same # of cells.
makes the most sense
Doesn't make it true.
Burden of proof is upon you. You're the one making the unsubstantiated claim that smaller mushrooms are more potent. Prove it.
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Re: How big is big [Re: Boris]
#10982426 - 09/01/09 08:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Boris said: Mushrooms grow via cell expansion rather than cell multiplication. After the pinning stage, the cells are only becoming engorged with water, not multiplying. Smaller fruits, gram for gram, are far more potent than larger fruits. This is a fact.
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RR said:All bs aside, you don't compare the size of fruits from a four to six inch deep substrate to fruits from a half pint cake.
That's the point I think you're missing. True, the bigger you let a fruit get, the less potent it becomes by weight, because of this cell expansion phenomenon, but it's all respective to what the substrates output potential is. As RR said, you can't compare the fruits of a bulk grow to those of a half pint grow, because of the fact that where there are more nutrients, there is more cell production at the outset, and therefore more potential for those cells to expand and thus produce larger fruits. So I'm curious though. Does that mean that if you were to pick a 5 gram fruit from a bulk grow and a 5 gram fruit of the same genetics from a cake grow, the bulk fruit would be more potent. I seem to have confused myself, ha.
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Re: How big is big [Re: anonjon]
#10982530 - 09/01/09 08:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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got any pics of that setup? how big is that sub?
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It depends, but if all of the actives were there nobody would bother letting mushies grow to when they can see the veil because it would be a total waste of time. Yes indeed pins are more concentrated vs. bigger shrooms, but that doesn't mean that additional alkaloid production won't take place in the meantime. Point in fact, you can get retarded from a 60g mushroom or, you can pick it when it's pin is still white and weighs .3 and not get retarded.
The actives are there, and are more concentrated when young, but are generated through development as well and therefore, size has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of actives you get. Smaller shrooms don't mean more potent, because I've had big ones that are relatively the same as the small ones in my batch, weight wise. And I would tend to agree with the last poster's points, I think there's a handful of points which are valid.
I think active production is highest when the pin forms, and gradually this production tapers off as the mushroom gets bigger because it is a defensive mechanism against things eating it (not a very good one, but still something that would be advantageous in nature, because the squirrels trippin out on it would probably not be as keen at avoiding predators and dangers -- for example). The actives taper off because the fruit must focus more effort on maturing and ejecting spores and it doesn't need to make any more actives (or not so much, only maintain potency levels) because the fruit is about to wither and die soon anyways. It is fruiting only for one purpose, reproduction, once those spores are ejected, the mycellium doesn't have any use for the fruit anymore, and animals eating it turn from pest to symbiote, because they will do some additional work for the mycellium when it comes to spreading it's spores around. Even shitting them out all over the place.
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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
#10982584 - 09/01/09 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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xtofury said: It depends, but if all of the actives were there nobody would bother letting mushies grow to when they can see the veil because it would be a total waste of time. Yes indeed pins are more concentrated vs. bigger shrooms, but that doesn't mean that additional alkaloid production won't take place in the meantime. Point in fact, you can get retarded from a 60g mushroom or, you can pick it when it's pin is still white and weighs .3 and not get retarded.
The actives are there, and are more concentrated when young, but are generated through development as well and therefore, size has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of actives you get. Smaller shrooms don't mean more potent, because I've had big ones that are relatively the same as the small ones in my batch, weight wise. And I would tend to agree with the last poster's points, I think there's a handful of points which are valid.
I think active production is highest when the pin forms, and gradually this production tapers off as the mushroom gets bigger because it is a defensive mechanism against things eating it (not a very good one, but still something that would be advantageous in nature, because the squirrels trippin out on it would probably not be as keen at avoiding predators and dangers -- for example). The actives taper off because the fruit must focus more effort on maturing and ejecting spores and it doesn't need to make any more actives (or not so much, only maintain potency levels) because the fruit is about to wither and die soon anyways. It is fruiting only for one purpose, reproduction, once those spores are ejected, the mycellium doesn't have any use for the fruit anymore, and animals eating it turn from pest to symbiote, because they will do some additional work for the mycellium when it comes to spreading it's spores around. Even shitting them out all over the place.
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Re: How big is big [Re: xtofury]
#10982604 - 09/01/09 08:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Welp, ...I'm done. No point in arguing when other people, "Know it all".
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-------------------- AMU
Terence McKenna Said:
"We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
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