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First bulk grow (need advice)
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Hello helpful friends :]

I'm in my third flush with cakes, and i have so far a little under an ounce dried of nice cubes.

I'm VERY happy with how my first grow turned out, and i can easily say this will be a long-lasting hobby. The problem is, i want to start growing in ounces (needless to say my ounce is gone now lol)

I want to bulk grow, and im willing to do anything to start my craft off right. I'm a bit strapped for cash, but i can put about 100 bucks into this (i have a big pressure cooker from my cakes tho and a glovebox)

The thing is, i spent alot of time researching BRF teks and trying my best to keep everything in check, and that was easy and fun, but im having a problem finding ANY good reading about bulk growing. Everything i find already assumes i know how to bulk grow, and uses acronym's and slang that admittedly goes over my head.

Im not asking for handout information, and i dont want to skip corners, but can someone help me understand bulk growing?
What ive got sofar was that i...

Colonize wild bird seed in 1 pint jars, then lay it over top 4 inches of manure?

I need help :[


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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I personally like coir, coffee, verm for a bulk substrate. With gypsum. Poo is popular too, with straw or other materials.
You'll either mix it with the spawn, or use it in layers, to a depth of four inches.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Doc_T]
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I went from jars to horse poo bags.  Never looked back.  What kind of space do you have?  Are you trying to get a greenhouse going or maybe just a monotub?


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: walletJoker]
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Well i live in a larger apartment, so i have space to do whatever id like, but i dont have a greenhouse setup. I was thinking i would like to use tubs if i could.

I would like to use alternatives to poo, so id like Doc_T to explain that coir, coffee, verm mixture.

I dont understand the steps, and someone talking me through it would be very appreciated, but if you guys can point me in the right direction that would be sweet.

I mean, do i lay down the mixture underneath wildbirdseed spawn? and if i used tubs, perlite is out of the question right? i need to buy a humidifier?

thanks :laugh:


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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You're doing this backwards, I think. Search around for some grows you like, then see what methods they used.
Here's one of mine to get you started: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10713572#10713572


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Doc_T]
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Doc_T said:
You're doing this backwards, I think. Search around for some grows you like, then see what methods they used.
Here's one of mine to get you started: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10713572#10713572



same tub i have so if you just use smaller holes you don't need the polyfill?


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: feelfunny]
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i will try to explain this as simple and as best i can first decide what you are going to start your grow on rye bird seed ect. and search for some teks pic one and stick to it. next step u already chose what you will spawn to(when you use colonized jars to colonize a bulk sub) u chose a coir mix witch is very popular and like doc i love it. its all i use coir coffe and vermic. now search for a pasturize tek. i like to just mix everything dump boiling water in a bucket and cover it till it cools.now check out mono tub teks(this is known as the set it and forget it tek) learn about the way then work and study the way to set it up.if you see something or read something you dont understand do a search on it the question has probley been talked about and awnsered at least ten times every few month. all i do is spawn rye grain to coir mix in monotubs the results are usually huge. if ude like pm me n ide be more then happy to walk you through the steps. ps there are no set quantities or sizes for anything you do just recomended and everyone usually does something slightly different then the next that being said good luck on your grow

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: greg86jgl]
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Large Dose's Bulk Coir Tek
Ohmatic Monotubs

Those two links should provide you with enough information to be successful with your first bulk grow :-)


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Lostkeys]
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Thank all of you guys for the support.

Honestly, a part of me was expecting to be pushed aside on this one, but you guys have given me alot of help. Doc_T, i've got similar mini-tubs as you for my cake shotgun FC's (with a bunch of 1/4th inch holes drilled in the sides), but i think i want to try the  bigger tub out. Thank you greg, funny, and lostkeys for the help and links, so let me see if i sort of have this down (paraphrasing) and you guys can help me fill in the holes. Hopefully, ill catch on and i wont need to PM someone desperately begging for help :]

1 : Rinse wild birdseed, fill jars 3/4 full with seed, 1/2 full with water. Pressure cook for over an hour, let cool overnight. Inoc in glovebox, Set jars aside for colonization.

2 : Mix equal parts Coir - Coffee grinds - Vermiculite with boiling water, mix for a little then pour mixture into bucket and let cool overnight.

3 : Line tub with garbage bag, fill 4 inches with coir mix, then poor 2 inches of spawn ontop. Cover with blanket and wait for colonization.

4 : Pluck 'em, Dry 'em, Eat 'em. :]

=questions=

1 : Where does Gypsum come into all of this? I'm definitely going to use Coir-coffee-verm-gypsum rather than c-c-v or poo.

2 : Can the coffee be just grinds out of a fresh container? Or do i have to use spent coffee?

3 : How do the tubs stay humid? I don't mind spraying every day, but should i buy a humidifier?

4 : How much coir should i buy for 2 mono tubs? How deep should the coir mix be in the tub, and how deep should the spawn be on top of that?

5 : (This ones mainly for Doc T) I really liked your oak ridge shroom pics. Those were beautiful and huge! Could you recomend a site where i can buy those spores? Im actually having trouble finding a shroom i want to grow right now, because i want something more hallucinagenic than normal cubensis b.
Any spore suggestions? I was thinking i would try out two different kinds.

Thanks for reading and for support. Although i didnt with my cakes, when i get my bulk setup running ill have pics and a log posted. i DO have some pics of my FC's but its not that interesting, my biggest shroom was only about 5 1/2".


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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If you're gonna prepare your grain that way, it might take u a few attempts to get just the right amount of water. Might be simpler to prepare it first, then pc it.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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I have been reading posts and tek's for months now and have a pretty good grasp on what I want to try. deffinitly many different ways to go bulk and every one has there's I tried to read up on the bulk coir tek
lostkeys left a link to but it said I needed ten days and ten posts so I am throwing this own out there to get one more under my belt.lol I love to get as much info as I can.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: schonta]
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anonjon can you clarify what you mean?

and schonda are you trying bulk mushrooms for your first grow? I dont want to sound like some wannabe veteran but maybe you should start with the RR videos PF Tek.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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With grains it's important to get the moisture content just right. So if you're trying to pressure cook the water into the grains, you're going to need to be fairly accurate with your measurements. You might not nail it on the first try.

I learned from the RR video under grain prep and it was pretty simple. Rinse thoroughly, soak overnight, boil 10 minutes, allow it to drain while hot and steamy. Then load it into your jars and pressure cook. Hard to get the moisture content wrong like this.

Both ways work fine. I like the 2nd cuz I know it's got the right moisure content when it goes in the pc.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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1. sorry ive never read up on the need for gypsum in bulk sub so i have no idea whatsoever

2.no you shouldnt put coffee grinds in without it being used first or just rinsed somehow with hot water should have refered to as spent coffee. this takes the acidity out of the grinds witch you dont want. the grinds are used for their high nitrogen levels. you can go to a coffee shop and ask for their spent coffee just tell them its good for your garden(witch it is)

3.the tubs stay humid on their own because the water in the sub will evaporate with no where to go but in the air and the sides of the tub then back down into the sub and the cycle starts again....and agian. some people do fan and mist quite a few times per day after the sub is fully colonized. personaly i fan real good once in the mornning and once at night after the sub is fully colonized(it is key not to open untill fully colozied) and i usualy dont mist unless there are no water droplets on the walls or the sub is looking dry. on the same note while ur sub is colonizing in the tub make sure the holes are taped shut or covered with plastic or something, then when its ready stuff them with polyfil.and on a follow up note if you leave the holes unstuffed after colonization you will without a doubt have to mist constintly because the polyfil also plays a role in the humidity being high. alowes air in but not to much water out. but like i said its all prefrence.

3.first ask yourself how big do you want to go? and how risky are you? then go by something like for every 1 quart of spwn use 2-3 quarts of sub.(the more spawn to bulk ratio used the less of a chance for a contam and the faster the sub colonizes) for example i will mix one brick of coir 1-2 quarts of coffe and 1 quart vermic witch is spawned to by 5-6 quarts of spawn. i like to layer my tubs with 1 1/2-2in sub mix all of my spawn on top then a slightly thinner layer of sub on top of that. i usualy have some left over witch ys goes in the garden and the sub is colonized and ready to fruit in 10-12 days. o yea these are 30gal tubs with four holes 2in wide on both sides.

4. i know this was for the doc but my friends tell me the koh samui(witch was what i tried) strain and pesa i grow where the best for visuals but ive read porto ricans are one of the most intence. also heard and experiance that it is hit or miss when using a ms syring(multi spore) to inject jars. after you get this down something to look into is making prints and lc syrings(liquid cultivation). saves money time and you get to basicly pick the best of the best shrooms and make an arm out of them. but get this down worry about it later.(just about to start my first prints and lc in a few days)

by the way I get on tangents and start rantting if you havnt noticed sorry.
see forgot...like said above have heard it  is tough to get water content right prepairing like that. may seem easy and less steps but might take a while to get it right. always rathere have gain to dry then to wet. if its to wet growth will be very slow.

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: greg86jgl]
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As far as prepping grain goes, it can be tricky.  I've tried the method of prepping in jar, and have found that the grain doesn't colonize as well... If this is the route you're bound and determined to take, the correct measurements for quart jars is 300ml of dry birdseed and 150ml of water per jar.

I've found that soaking the grains for 24 hours, then simmering for 5 or 10 minutes works much better, even though it is more time consuming.  The most important thing is getting the moisture content right before loading your jars.  You want the grains to pass the spoon test for sure.  Scoop up a spoonful of grains, then tip the spoon as if you're dumping them out.  As long as little to no grains stick to the spoon, you're at the correct moisture content, assuming you've soaked and simmered them.

Getting the excess moisture off is much easier if you simmer prior to draining, as a lot of the water will evaporate off due to the heat.

As for preparing your bulk sub, pick a tek and follow it to a tee... that's what I did with Large Dose's teks and so far things have gone off without a hitch.  The only thing I did extra was to add 1 cup of gypsum to the mixture during the pasteurization process.

His ratio is 1 brick of coir, 1 quart of spent coffee, and 1 quart of vermiculite added to 6 quarts of grain spawn.  This is convenient as it is the perfect amount of substrate for 1 18 gallon (68 quart) tub.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me and I'll gladly offer my opinions.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Lostkeys]
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Thank you both for the heartfelt replies (and thanks for going on a tangent greg)

Greg, you said 1 qt. spawn to every 2-3 qts substrate, but it seems Lostkeys ratio is the opposite (2:1 Spawn - Substrate). Should i have more sub. or spawn?

Also, i definitely agree with you on the need to get good with printing and making LC, but im gunna hold off till after my first bulk grow.

Q : Do you guys think two monotubs will give me 16 dry ounces?
Q : Online there is 10 bricks of Coir for 30 dollars, is that a good deal? Coir (this is stupid) doesnt go bad right?


Also, i was under the misconception that you had to pressure cook the water into the seeds. It seems like cooking it in before PC'ing it is alot better, so ill definitely go with that. Can you guys explain how to do that a little more?

one last Question, Its just about the end of summer season, and by the time i get things going (seeing shrooms poke up that is) it might be october, my house isnt going to be heated to 75-80 degrees, so should i buy a space heater for the tubs?

Also, when im mixing the Coir into the water, with the other things, i dont drain the water before putting it into a bucket to cool right? Just 1 gallon of water, 1 brick of coir, and the rest?

thanks! sorry for the ongoing questions.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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more spawn just makes it colonize faster i use any were from 1-1 1-3 both work.3oz dry but as you see small tub. but it was also an isolate which helps. with a MS syringe it is a crap shoot. why do you need a pound.

boil seed for 10 min till 5% open
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simmer 30-40 min till 5% open up to you

i use my garage as a grow room temps are 75-60 in October and not a problem, but some stains might not do well.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: feelfunny]
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Either do a monotub, or you can do some bulk trays and use your shotgun FC.

In my signature, you could use the WBS tek and Roadkill poo tek to do bulk trays.  Bulk trays are easy and pretty fun to play with.  Almost everything you need to know is in those two teks.  Very easy...

There's a monotub tek as well, if you'd want to try that.

Also, if you want to do grains, learn how to G2G and you'll be more self sufficient.  http://www.shroomery.org/5207/What-is-G2G-and-how-is-it-done


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
Greg, you said 1 qt. spawn to every 2-3 qts substrate, but it seems Lostkeys ratio is the opposite (2:1 Spawn - Substrate). Should i have more sub. or spawn?


Q : Do you guys think two monotubs will give me 16 dry ounces?


Also, i was under the misconception that you had to pressure cook the water into the seeds. It seems like cooking it in before PC'ing it is alot better, so ill definitely go with that. Can you guys explain how to do that a little more?

one last Question, Its just about the end of summer season, and by the time i get things going (seeing shrooms poke up that is) it might be october, my house isnt going to be heated to 75-80 degrees, so should i buy a space heater for the tubs?



You want either equal parts spawn/bulk sub or more bulk sub, 1:3 is often recommended. 1:1 or 1:2 will colonize faster and be less prone to contamination. Try searching on 'spawn ratio'.

A pound from 2 tubs in 1 flush is not realistic. goto search our forums and try searching 'monotub yield'.

Try searching 'grain preparation' or goto roger rabbit's videos and click on grain preparation. Most important part is to rinse thoroughly in the beginning and drain thoroughly at the end. 10 minute boil is almost overkill btw. And grain splitting is not the big deal people make it out to be.

Try searching 'incubator aquarium heater tek'. It's a real common way to keep a heated incubator using a fish tank heater.

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
Thank you both for the heartfelt replies (and thanks for going on a tangent greg)

Greg, you said 1 qt. spawn to every 2-3 qts substrate, but it seems Lostkeys ratio is the opposite (2:1 Spawn - Substrate). Should i have more sub. or spawn?

Also, i definitely agree with you on the need to get good with printing and making LC, but im gunna hold off till after my first bulk grow.

Q : Do you guys think two monotubs will give me 16 dry ounces?
Q : Online there is 10 bricks of Coir for 30 dollars, is that a good deal? Coir (this is stupid) doesnt go bad right?


Also, i was under the misconception that you had to pressure cook the water into the seeds. It seems like cooking it in before PC'ing it is alot better, so ill definitely go with that. Can you guys explain how to do that a little more?

one last Question, Its just about the end of summer season, and by the time i get things going (seeing shrooms poke up that is) it might be october, my house isnt going to be heated to 75-80 degrees, so should i buy a space heater for the tubs?

Also, when im mixing the Coir into the water, with the other things, i dont drain the water before putting it into a bucket to cool right? Just 1 gallon of water, 1 brick of coir, and the rest?

thanks! sorry for the ongoing questions.


When you put coir in water, 1 brick will expand out to 7 or 8 quarts  Add 1 quart coffee, and 1 quart verm, and you'll have a total of 10 quarts of bulk substrate to spawn you 6 quarts of colonized grain to.  this is a ratio of roughly 1:2 spawn:bulk as your quart jars of spawn won't be packed to the brim with colonized grain.

1 lb dry is very unrealistic, it'll probably be closer to a couple of dry ounces per tub, per flush.  Just be happy if you manage to grow ANY mushrooms on your first attempt.

10 Bricks for 30 bucks seems like a good deal to me, and no coir does not go bad so long as it's kept dry.

No, you do not drain the water after pasteurizing it using Large Dose's tek, as he's pretty much got the moisture content down pat.  You'll see... when you mix it up it's pretty much at field capacity by the time you're ready to put it in the buckets.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Lostkeys]
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I was just saying I read as many post and faqs as I can and yes I am growing bulk but with wbs and barley straw with cow dung and also straight horse dung and even buried straw with cow out side my house I have eight strains going right now and the sad fact is I only have a 40 percent survival but I have plenty to grow so I am feeling optimistic. I was just saying that I seen a post I wanted to read because I try to read all the relevant ones but it would not let me because I have not made enough posts and that was why I was leaving a post. I wish every thing was open for every one. I dont leave many posts because i am not enough experienced to give help but I dont ask many questions either because I know the answers are  out there if I look.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: schonta]
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schonta said:
I was just saying I read as many post and faqs as I can and yes I am growing bulk but with wbs and barley straw with cow dung and also straight horse dung and even buried straw with cow out side my house I have eight strains going right now and the sad fact is I only have a 40 percent survival but I have plenty to grow so I am feeling optimistic. I was just saying that I seen a post I wanted to read because I try to read all the relevant ones but it would not let me because I have not made enough posts and that was why I was leaving a post. I wish every thing was open for every one. I dont leave many posts because i am not enough experienced to give help but I dont ask many questions either because I know the answers are  out there if I look.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Lostkeys]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5909750/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1/nt/2 this is a great coir tek it worked great for me i did it once and it worked great I'm gonna try it in monotubs for the first time which i would recommend cause your in a price crunch and there great cause you don't need perlite or a humidifier or even fan it how could you beat that http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5276282 this is the man that first did a monotub here is his tek oh yea here is a great wbs tek i used it and inoculated  them two days ago that's what I'm gonna use to span to my monotub http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23619 just do a little research before you start


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: whyblameus]
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Alright guys thanks for all your support.
Im gunna do a step by step and you can fill in any holes. Anything in parenthesis is a question i need answered.

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Step 1 : Soak wild bird seed for 8-12 hours, rinse well, then fill 1 pint (or quart?) jars 3/4 full. Place coffee filter (can i use coffee filters instead of another type of filter if needed?) then lid with 2 holes. After pressure cooking for at least an hour at 15 pounds, let cool over night, transfer to glovebox, inoculate. Let colonize.

Step 2 : Create a substrate of 1 Brick Coir, 1 quart Coffee grinds, 1 quart Vermiculite, 1 cup gypsum by boiling (or just in hot water?)the coir in 1 gallon of water, and then adding in the rest. Let cool overnight (after it becomes thick??? or once all the ingrediants are in?) in a bucket. (important question : Will this fill a monotub? If not, how many of these will i have to do to fill one monotub up 4 inches?)

Step 3 : Create a fruiting chamber out of a large monotub bin, cutting 4 holes about 6 or 7 inches from bottom, stuff with polyfil. 2 holes on top to allow for circulation.

step 4 : Fill the tub with substrate 4 inches, then add colonized bird seed (should i shake the birdseed while its colonizing?), making a 1 (or 2?) inch bird seed layer on top of the substrate. Then add another 1 inch of substrate on top of that. (how long do i set that aside to colonize for?)

step 5 : Let grow, pluck, dry, eat.

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Once those holes are filled with answers, im going to start ordering everything right away.
I really need to know if i can get away with using a coffee filter underneath (and over) the jar lid to allow for gas exchange, and also, can i make a buffer layer over the seeds to ward off contams? If so, would it be vermiculite?

Also, Im going to use about 2 CC's of syringe spores for each jar right? That being said, i need to know how many jars im going to need for 2 monotubs. Im thinking like 6 jars?

For anyone who reads through all this and answers my questions, thank you, your a savior :]


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
I really need to know if i can get away with using a coffee filter underneath (and over) the jar lid to allow for gas exchange, and also, can i make a buffer layer over the seeds to ward off contams? If so, would it be vermiculite?



No. And no.

Coffee filter pores too big. Go to post office and get some free tyvek or get some polyfill.

Verm layer won't work cuz you're gonna shake the jar a couple times.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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polyfil is the stuff thats used to stuff toys and stuff right?

So how would i use polyfil???


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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yea
your gonna cover your jars with tin foil before you pc right?

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
polyfil is the stuff thats used to stuff toys and stuff right?

So how would i use polyfil???




make a hole, shove it in.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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anonjon said:
Descartes said:
polyfil is the stuff thats used to stuff toys and stuff right?

So how would i use polyfil???




make a hole, shove it in.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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Teks were written for posts like this.  Pick your teks for each step in the process and follow them to a tee, don't change ANYTHING if you want to have success.

For prepping WBS 6T's WBS prep tek, or Doc's WBS prep Tek... Pick one and stick to it 100%

Large Dose's Coir Prep Tek
Large Dose's Ohmatic Monotubs

Follow those links exactly and do not deviate... if you start changing things failure is usually the end result until you've gotten a few grows under your belt.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Lostkeys]
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hey guys,

So im about ready to start ordering supplies, and i think i know what (4) cube strains i want.

I was thinking...

B+
Koh Sumui SS
Orrissa India
Ecuador (or Peru)

I'm still having a problem finding out how to navigate this site, and i saw on spores101 that you can use a promotional code if your a shroomery member to get a free syringe (which would be PERFECT if i got a 3 pack deal for 40 bucks, and got the 4th for free!)

Can anyone help me out on this one?

ALSOOOO ive been looking at bulk subs, and im wondering...

1. Should i put a layer underneath the substrate??? Perlite, or Verm?
2. Should i frost or just mix it well? Also, should i mix it in the bin, or in like a big bowl then poor into the bin?
3. Can i spray the substrate with water between flushes, or should i just trust the moisture levels in the sub to recycle??


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
I'm still having a problem finding out how to navigate this site,


1) Scroll to the top of any page. On the left you will see, "Welcome Descartes". To the right of that you will see a green circle with a white up-pointing arrow in it and read "Forum Index". To the right of THAT you will see a magnifying glass and read "Search Posts". Left-click on "Search Posts".

2) Now you are using the "Search Engine". On the left I'd like for you to left-click "Mushroom Cultivation".

3) Now place your cursor in the box marked "words" on the right by hovering over it and left-clicking.

4) Now type the words "casing layer" in the box.

5) Now drop down a bit and check the box next to the words "trusted cultivator".

6) Now hit the "search" button at the bottom.

7) BAM BABY! YEAH!!!, that's 182 posts regarding casing layers!

You can also type in someones name where it says "username". This will give you all the posts that THAT user talked about casings, (like, uh, crap I don't know...  ...off the top of my head, um, say, "RogerRabbit"?).

BOOM Brudda! You are now a navigating mo'fo! :yourock:

:goodluck:

P.S. I'm not answering any of your new questions because I know you want to spread your new wings and navimuthuf*#@kingate! Peace Bra.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: BrandNewbie]
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1) Scroll to the top of any page. On the left you will see, "Welcome Descartes". To the right of that you will see a green circle with a white up-pointing arrow in it and read "Forum Index". To the right of THAT you will see a magnifying glass and read "Search Posts". Left-click on "Search Posts".

2) Now you are using the "Search Engine". On the left I'd like for you to left-click "Mushroom Cultivation".

3) Now place your cursor in the box marked "words" on the right by hovering over it and left-clicking.

4) Now type the words "casing layer" in the box.

5) Now drop down a bit and check the box next to the words "trusted cultivator".

6) Now hit the "search" button at the bottom.

7) BAM BABY! YEAH!!!, that's 182 posts regarding casing layers!
that is new info to me thanks bro

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
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No problem bra! I'd make a step by step, but none of the noobes would be able to find it anyway, yeah. :grin:


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: BrandNewbie]
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lol next time im looken for a answer im gonna try it out

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Lostkeys]
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Hey guys, i know its been a while, but ive been doing some research, and i got a fresh batch of questions...

(Also, I ordered 6 syringes, because im doing 6 bins. B+, Koh Samui, Puerto Rican, Orissa India, Gulf Cost, and P.E.S.A. whatya think?)

Ok, i am DESPERATELY looking across the internet for good, cheap bricks of Coco Coir. It sounds ridiculous, but im paranoid im not buying the "good" or "right" stuff. I checked out amazon at first, and there was coco coir for pets, and for gardening. They wanted 12 bucks a brick! (thats like buying spores all over again)

Q. can someone PLEASE direct me to a trusty site for Coco Coir?
Q. During colonization of the tubs, should i put a blanket on them, and duct tape the holes? I saw someone do this in a tek and it worked well, but i questioned if they needed to breethe a little (co2 and all)
Q. Has anyone done 6 tubs at a time? I know its alot, but there was a bulk deal, and i couldnt resist. They're are just too many flavors to choose from :] . I figure after this ill slow down, and just stick to one strain i like.
Q. If i cant find a coffee house thatll give me 6 quarts of spent coffee, how do i prepare it for my own use? Can i just boil it in a big pot and drain everything but the coffee?
Q. Was koh samui a bad idea?


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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buy the coir from petsmart dude or petco

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
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koh samui super?

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: ucelodaqua]
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yeah the cheapest coir was like 4 dollars a brick, but it was all pet related. Then i saw that any coir that had to do with gardening was like 12 bucks a brick, which made me really nervous. I mean.. theyre HAS to be a difference.

Its just regular koh samui, because i got it from spores101, and it looks like only one vender carries SS (probly becuase its theyre own domesticated version)


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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KSSS is the shit.

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
Its just regular koh samui, because i got it from spores101


Seems you ordered from a scam site... hope your syringe is viable.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Lostkeys]
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Is it a scam site? Are you saying that because it's not a sponsor?


I ordered my first syringe from a site called micro-supply.com and it came to me in 4 days, 12CC syringe for 15 bucks (shipping included).

I hope to god your wrong, then id be out 80 bucks and id never trust another site again XD

If thats the case, then what sites should i use? Ive heard countless stories of Ryche Hawk scamming ppl, giving syringes a month too late.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
Is it a scam site? Are you saying that because it's not a sponsor?


I ordered my first syringe from a site called micro-supply.com and it came to me in 4 days, 12CC syringe for 15 bucks (shipping included).

I hope to god your wrong, then id be out 80 bucks and id never trust another site again XD

If thats the case, then what sites should i use? Ive heard countless stories of Ryche Hawk scamming ppl, giving syringes a month too late.


Wow, thats some bs. The hawk is the most trustworthy of em all! He's been in the biz since pf fanaticus went down.

If the syringe is bunk, we'll send you prints for free, how bout that? Shroomery ftw.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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anonjon said:
Descartes said:
Is it a scam site? Are you saying that because it's not a sponsor?


I ordered my first syringe from a site called micro-supply.com and it came to me in 4 days, 12CC syringe for 15 bucks (shipping included).

I hope to god your wrong, then id be out 80 bucks and id never trust another site again XD

If thats the case, then what sites should i use? Ive heard countless stories of Ryche Hawk scamming ppl, giving syringes a month too late.


Wow, thats some bs. The hawk is the most trustworthy of em all! He's been in the biz since pf fanaticus went down.

If the syringe is bunk, we'll send you prints for free, how bout that? Shroomery ftw.


It IS bullshit, i've ordered from spores101 at least 3 times and all syringes have been viable. I understand something happened a while back which led them to not being a sponsor anymore, but there's no reason to be worried if you ask me.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Cliffo]
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I dont want to throw any site under the bus. If someone told me that Micro-Supply was a scam, id defend them all night (they arent well known, but they were good to me.)

Ive been frantically reading through spores101 related threads, and some people say they didnt get there syringes at all, and some are really vouching for the site. I guess the only real way to know is to wait and see. Ill keep you guys posted on how long (if at all) the spores take to get to my house.

God, if you guys could send me spores (if spores rips me off) then thatd be the most amazing thing i could think of right now. And of course, id return the favor in double from that harvest :laugh:

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Cliffo]
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Cliffo said:
anonjon said:
Descartes said:
Is it a scam site? Are you saying that because it's not a sponsor?


I ordered my first syringe from a site called micro-supply.com and it came to me in 4 days, 12CC syringe for 15 bucks (shipping included).

I hope to god your wrong, then id be out 80 bucks and id never trust another site again XD

If thats the case, then what sites should i use? Ive heard countless stories of Ryche Hawk scamming ppl, giving syringes a month too late.


Wow, thats some bs. The hawk is the most trustworthy of em all! He's been in the biz since pf fanaticus went down.

If the syringe is bunk, we'll send you prints for free, how bout that? Shroomery ftw.


It IS bullshit, i've ordered from spores101 at least 3 times and all syringes have been viable. I understand something happened a while back which led them to not being a sponsor anymore, but there's no reason to be worried if you ask me.


To each his/her own... I'd rather go with a sure thing than the possibility that maybe I'll get what I pay for :shrug:

The sponsors pay money to the shroomery for the honor of being a sponsor.  Sponsors also have to keep a good reputation here, otherwise they risk losing their ability to advertise on this, the mecca of mushrooms.  If it wasn't for the shroomery I would have never gotten into this hobby.  IMO buying from sponsors is a way of giving back to the community that has been kind enough to show me the ways of the mushroom.

Defending a vendor who hasn't done squat, or in some cases has done harm to the community through shady business practices just doesn't sit well with me for one.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Lostkeys]
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who? spores101?


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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you dont want to know. go to the site yourself and see who they are.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: feelfunny]
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keep us updated with the grow man - i'm about to embark on my first bulk grow and this thread has been a great help =)

thanks!


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Thinking about starting bulk? I'd recommend these teks:
wbs tek - http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek
coir tek - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9289857/an/0/page/0
monotub setup tek - http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8231041#8231041

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: sophanox]
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good to know sopha :laugh:

yeah im using www.spores101.com

spent 82 bucks.

you guys are getting me N-E-R-V-O-U-S lol


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
spent 82 bucks.


Really? I haven't spent that much on spores total in my life, and you bought them all at once?


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Doc_T]
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Well, its my first bulk grow and i was planning on doing 4 ohmatic monotubs, but because itll only cost about an extra 50 bucks to add two more tubs (after coir, bin costs,) i decided to just go for it.

6 diff strains, B+, Koh Samui, P.E.S.A., orissa india, Puerto Rican, Gulf Coast.

go big or go home eh? XD

Doc im glad your here. I always feel alot more confident when your talking me through something. Now... on a scale of 1 to "im f***ed", am i gunna get spores from spores101.com? : [


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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still allot you can get 5 of your choice for 40from sporeworks and ralfsters is like 30 for 4 or 5 can rember.  i dont have  Koh Samui or orissa india so if you get them to work let me know if there is anything on my list you like

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10975380#10975380


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: feelfunny]
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funny i dont really mean by what you said, but ill keep everyone updated if these strains work. Id like to trade prints, being that i never want to go through ordering spores again in my life XD


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Good news (sofar).

Got a receipt the day i ordered the spores in my email, then 2 days later got the shipping information along with a code. Put that code-roosky in UPS.com and sure enough its on the way. Sofar so good, now we just got to say if they work.

One thing im sure about, is that im ridiculously over the top sterile. I was in a sterilized room working with a glovebox wearing clean cotton and full gear when i knocked up them jars, and i plan to do it again.

Sopha its good to hear your getting something out of this. Check in this forum a few weeks from now once i get started, because ill be posting questions like crazy. If you have any questions on PF Tek feel welcome to ask me. :laugh:


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Post a grow log. You seem like a diligent, detail-oriented person. I bet you'd make a nice log.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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yep http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10975380#10975380
and i will traid with you this is what i have


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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thanks man.

i plan to make a good log the moment i actually get things started. I hate clicking a log im interested in, and they're like 1 week into the grow, and have 2 pictures of the birdseed they bought uploaded.

Im going to post a grow once im completely finished, but ill keep you guys updated (mainly with questions that arise) once everything gets going.

Im shopping for my jars / polyfill / tyvek in a few days, and im going to start my jars the moment the spores get here.

trust me, ill give a good bulk grow once i have something to talk about. Im a little worried about... posting inciminating evidence onto the internet though XD

I realized i never gave any proof that ive ever grown before.
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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: feelfunny]
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for sure, id love to start trading spores. Im guna be making quite a bit, and ill have 6 different strains.

real quick, can you direct me towards a good picture-friendly spore-print tek? Ive been looking all over, search function and all, and i cant find one :[


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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http://www.shroomery.org/8404/Spore-printing-Pictorial

Btw, i got there by clicking 'mushroom info'.

Then 'grow mushrooms'.

Then 'spore prints and syringes'.

For your pics look for the the word 'pics' where it says 'Welcome Username'


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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just cut the top off and put on foil cover with glass but do this on the edge of a table so the glass is hanging of a little to let air in or if you got allot put in  a box


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: feelfunny]
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thanks feel and anonjon for the help. Feel,do i fold tinfoil over the print after im done, and how do i store these?

Heres some pics from my first grow. Sadly, i didnt take any documentation down as far as weight per flush and such. These pics span between 4 flushes.




i had two bins side by side, you can just make out the other one in the first pic. They're were some pretty impressive mushrooms in these batches. i was really happy with PF tek :]


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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spores101??

:facepalm:

my 1st syringe came from them... actually i got like 5 from them.

i should have crunched that cash up, jumped in my car, got on the freeway, opened the window and thrown it out.

it would have done more for me.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: brand0n]
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man, that hurts lol.

at this point, i guess im just hoping that the clouds part and god shits out a miracle.

we'll see in a few weeks i s'pose.

BTW, the spores that made those B+'s are from www.micro-supply.com


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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mini-UPDATE.

got the syringes in the mail today. all 6 of them, labeled, but the needles dont come connected. No biggie, makes sense I guess, even though i dont like the thought of having to figure out that enigma inside my glovebox while my hands are shaking xD

Im going shopping tommorow for some jars/alcohol/lysol. 6 syringes, x3 twelve packs of 1 pint jars, a whole weekend of birdseed/pressure cooking. Git'r'Done :laugh:

Ill put up some pics of them after they're knocked up. peace.

(btw, ordered Jars October 6th, got them October 15th. 9 days, not bad at all. now we need to see if they have spores in 'em.)


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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QUESTION :

So i bought my 36 jars, polyfill, tyvek, alcohol, coffee filters, tin foil, birdseed and all that jazz to get this show on the road.

My PC only hold 6 jars at a time, so im just doing it slow and steady. The first batch of WBS is in a pot right now soaking up overnight.

HERES THE PROBLEM :

Ive been reading a lot about sunflower seeds and there good/bad traits. My WBS mixture, by some CRUEL twist of fate, is literally almost entirely made of Sunflowers...

Am i f***ed? Should i toss this before i stick 'em with the syringe and get some other stuff?


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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You could use it as is, or you could sift out the floating sunflower seeds.

Personally I would use that bag for the birds and get something else though.

Try the health food store for some whole grain rye or wheat. Or if you can't find that, get some cheap popcorn. I'm not a fan of wild bird seed. To me it seems harder to get the moisture content perfect. Also I'd rather spend a little extra money than have to rinse out the birdseed several times. I know some people swear by it, but if you can't find some better birdseed or whole grains, just get some popcorn. It works great.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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That seems like a good idea. I thought working with WBS would be easy as pie, but its been really killing me these past few days. Listen to these... roadblocks.

first of all, when i let it sit in a pot of water for about 16 hours, i opened up the lid and it looked EXACTLY the same. Not at all rusty like in Doc's pics. Left it for about 8 more hours, came back, same thing. Decided i couldnt let it rot more and started anyways.

secondly, when i was simmering the seeds, none of  them really popped or anything, and i think i might have over cooked them. Simmered for about 25 minutes, and they were damn near mushy. Check em out.





Also, i didnt use polyfill, just double tyvek...

I think im going to scrap this all before i waste a syringe of B+ :[


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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yea good idea to sart again


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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I dont know if ill ever feel confident with this method. When i was doing pf tek, it all... looked right.

I dunno if i should buy different bird seed or what i should do differently though :[

I have 6 syringes. Im thinking ill knock up these ones with my B+ and just see what happens. If in a week or two i see mycelium, ill feel alot more confident.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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If it's mushy you overcooked it and I wouldn't bother inoculating it. It will colonize slow and won't want to shake apart. You'll be cursing it as you scrape out the mycelium with a fork. You want the grains to be loose.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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When simmering your WBS it isn't going to pop like popcorn, what you're looking for is a FEW grains that have split their shells.  Bring the heat up slowly to a simmer, check it frequently by lifting out a few seeds looking for cracked husks. Once a very small number of the kernals have split their husks, it's most likely safe to remove from the heat.  To be sure the seeds are at the correct moisture content at this point, try splitting a seed with your fingernail.  If you can do this, then the seeds are at the optimum moisture level.

It took me a bit of trial an error to get it right, but once you know, it's really quite easy.  Also look for WBS that is mostly millet (the small round seeds) as you won't have nearly as many floaters with that kind. 

Also you want to be sure the seeds are dry enough to pass the spoon/hand/toilet paper test(s) before loading them into your jars for PCing.  This is much easier if you strain them directly after simmering, as the heat will allow most of the outside moisture to evaporate off within a few minutes.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Are rye berries not an option?  I feel like you could be saving yourself a lot of work.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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Descartes said:
That seems like a good idea. I thought working with WBS would be easy as pie, but its been really killing me these past few days. Listen to these... roadblocks.

first of all, when i let it sit in a pot of water for about 16 hours, i opened up the lid and it looked EXACTLY the same. Not at all rusty like in Doc's pics. Left it for about 8 more hours, came back, same thing. Decided i couldnt let it rot more and started anyways.

secondly, when i was simmering the seeds, none of  them really popped or anything, and i think i might have over cooked them. Simmered for about 25 minutes, and they were damn near mushy. Check em out.



My water has never been rusty either. I'm not sure what makes it do that. It's just been mop water gray. It will actually soak up a pretty good amount with an overnight soak, but I didn't realize how much at first, because I didn't look at the soaked and unsoaked seeds side-by-side. Have you tried that? My WBS has a lot more milo (reddish) than yours appears to, but I don't think you have too much sunflower. I think the picture looks a little mushy. It will probably be okay, but probably worth it to toss it and start again.

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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: WildRover]
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walletJoker said:
Are rye berries not an option?  I feel like you could be saving yourself a lot of work.


:thumbup: ..or wheat.

If you're intent on using wbs, here's another tek. This guy doesn't even simmer. He soaks, drains, and pc's.
http://www.shroomery.org/9032/6T-WBS-Tek-Wild-Bird-Seed-Bulk-Spawn-Preparation-Method
Doc's tek looks better to me tho. Maybe simmer on lower temperature and for only 20 min next time.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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Can you guys direct me towards some non-WBS methods? I spent so long studying bird seed that the thought of digging into something else is boggling.

I'm getting really impatient (i know i know, bad news) to start growing again. I wont rush into anything, but i think im going to use the birdseed i have now, cook it for less time (ten minutes this time) and let it drain for alot longer (like overnight).

Instead of polyfill, im using double tyvek. I do have polyfill, but on all 36 jars theres two syring-sized holes rather than one big one, polyfill stuffed there isnt an option. I was thinking after i knocked them up through those holes, i'd pack polyfill into the coffee filter and rubber band those down.

ill give you guys updates. I figure ill know if it works in about a week or two (to see white dots) and if it doesnt ill scrap birdseed altogether.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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All grains are the same, you prep them the same way. Adjust times based on the size and texture of the grains.
Soak, simmer, strain. :thumbup:


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Doc_T]
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Yeah, I think you're over-complicating this.

Just go out and get some whole grain rye and some popcorn and try em out and see what you think.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: anonjon]
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popcorn is an option!?

you prepare popcorn kernals the same way? Simmer them until a few crack?

id rather use that over wbs any day.


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: Descartes]
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you can use popcorn if you really want but i still think you should try rye berries.  i have 60 spawn jars and 50 spawn bags of popcorn all made with rye berries and the myc is ripping through them.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9482531#9482531


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Re: First bulk grow (need advice) [Re: walletJoker]
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I concur, rye definitely colonizes faster. But popcorn is kinda fun if you're not in a hurry.

Popcorn preparation is as follows:

1. Pour 2 bags walmart popcorn ($1.80) into large pot of water.
2. Put heat on high until you get a rolling boil.
3. Let it boil for an hour and a half.
4. Strain it hot and let it drain a couple hours.
5. Divy it up into 7 quart jars.
6. Pressure cook at 15 psi for 90 min.

No rinsing, no soaking, no simmering, no worrying about over-cooking, cheap, and widely available.

Don't buy into that bs about popcorn "harboring endospores that survive pressure cooking".

Nothing is going to survive an hour and a half of boiling in water plus 90 minutes in the p.c. at 15psi....NOTHING.


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