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Re: the importance of light [Re: anonjon]
    #10986737 - 09/02/09 01:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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On the subject of light, will adding an additional light in the yellow spectrum to help w/ photography have any kind of negative interference on the daylight spectrum bulbs? I don't like how blue the photos turn out in the growing area and want to add a bulb in the 3500 range.




The mushrooms will pretty much ignore light that isn't in their range.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10992806 - 09/03/09 02:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Here's a picture of the growing area in my underground mushroom farm, now complete.  You're looking at ten shelves, each nearly 20 feet long and 3 feet wide.  That's 400 watts of LED 6500K light rope stretched out over the 200 feet of shelving, for 2 watts of LED per linear foot of shelf.  It's bright as daylight in there, although the picture really doesn't do it justice.  There's room for 500 substrate blocks, and the temperature stays a steady 58F, even when it's 100F outside.

The rocks on the floor are for humidity, much as perlite serves that purpose in a terrarium.  After spraying the rocks with water, humidity stays at near 99% for up to a week.  I ran a water line to the farm and installed a faucet right in the growroom, so spraying the substrates and floor/walls will be easy.
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HOLY SHIT MY MAN!!!!!!! U R MY FUCKIN HERO RR. now that is fuckin impressive, is that in ur basement or a old school bomb shelter or did u dig tht bad boy urself? how ever u did it u just gave me some inspiration


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Newpala21]
    #10998075 - 09/04/09 10:27 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It started life as a shipping container.  I hired an excavation contractor to deliver it and dig the hole as you'll see in the pictures below.  After that, the Mrs and I have done all the work to get it to that point.  I'll post more pics as time goes on.  We're finishing up the colonization area and new lab now.
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Re: the importance of light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10998103 - 09/04/09 10:33 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

now that's a dream come true. makes a feller wanna go buy some land.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: telekid]
    #10998188 - 09/04/09 10:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

That is truly wonderful. Congrats!

I hear one can get those used shipping containers fairly cheap due to the trade imbalance with china. How much was it if you don't mind my asking?


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Re: the importance of light [Re: anonjon]
    #10998292 - 09/04/09 11:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Check it:
http://www.google.com/base/a/1589962/D4498626022219903932

insulated models available as well:
http://www.iport.com/insulated_container.html

customized options:
http://www.iport.com/customization_options.html

A good light available at any Home Depot, Target, Wal-mart etc:


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Re: the importance of light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10998300 - 09/04/09 11:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

gotta say that just makes me wanna get into the mushroom biz even more. boy ole boy u could definitely supply a small county with that bad boy right there. So u gonna use that for happy:mushroom2: or sappy:emocry: mushies?

  Also i see two tubes from what it looks like in the back of the container in the fourth pic, ones white the other is blk. was wondering if thats your ventilation system? If not how do u regulate your air movement / flow, ya know, the fae?


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Newpala21]
    #10998558 - 09/04/09 12:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The pipes you see are the air vents.  Each was extended 10 feet(3 meters) upwards and out of the soil above.

It's for edibles only.  I paid $1500 for the shipping container, and have spent a bit over $30,000 since then to get it buried, supported, shelved, and lit so far.  I'm almost done.  I suspect the whole operation is going to cost somewhere around $40K by the time I've finished.  However, it should grow twice that much in mushrooms per year, for a six month payoff, which is a darn fast return on the investment.
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Re: the importance of light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10999034 - 09/04/09 01:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

wow did not know that there was that much profit to b made in edibles. So then u supply local grocers or food chains, i mean thats gonna b alot of mushies in that bad boy u must b moving them quick...

  Seriously i like the hole cultivating aspect of mushies and other fungi, its my favorite hobby and im curious as to how one goes about getting into ur field of business. I only ask cuz i could so do this for a job, i enjoy it. anyways sorry if im getting to personal in ur bizz  but u really got a way of making me want to learn more.


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    #10999652 - 09/04/09 03:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: the importance of light [Re: Newpala21]
    #10999679 - 09/04/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Wholesale prices of edibles are about half what they cost in the grocery store.  In Seattle, shiitake run about $17/lb so I'll  be getting $8/lb.  The fruiting room is laid out to hold 500 substrate blocks, each one producing 1 to 3 lbs over a three week cropping period.  The colonization room is designed to hold 1500 substrate blocks, since they need three times as long in there.  The end result should be anywhere from 100 to 300 lbs per week going to market, which is not bad for a total of 320 square feet of area.
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Re: the importance of light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10999704 - 09/04/09 04:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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It started life as a shipping container.  I hired an excavation contractor to deliver it and dig the hole as you'll see in the pictures below.  After that, the Mrs and I have done all the work to get it to that point.  I'll post more pics as time goes on.  We're finishing up the colonization area and new lab now.
RR






well you my friend are definately a fungi fun guy. no pun intended but well taken. +5 for you RR.:thumbup:


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Re: the importance of light [Re: SubGen1us]
    #10999772 - 09/04/09 04:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I'd like to see a reference to the melanin statement you posted. I have no idea how that would work but it would be cool to read about.

Honestly, I have no idea if this even relates to cubes or whatever. I just thought I would share.





It relates if you're growing outdoors i suppose. But generally no. Photosynthesis has nothing to do with it.

Here's some melanin links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/duncan/17611/

eh..just google it actually
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS259&=&q=fungi+melanin+light+energy&aq=f&oq=&aqi=


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Re: the importance of light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10999780 - 09/04/09 04:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

So what are your plans for the winter, as i can see u live in the mountains and you get quite a bit of snow up there and im sure it gets cold as hell some nights. Whats ur plan for the bad boy( u should name it that,lol)on keeping the temp suitable for growing conditions, curious to see what genius idea u got for this... im so digging a whole in my yard and doing something like that, then i can b more discreet.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Newpala21]
    #11001168 - 09/04/09 08:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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So what are your plans for the winter, as i can see u live in the mountains and you get quite a bit of snow up there and im sure it gets cold as hell some nights.




The temperature in the growing area stays a constant 58F, regardless of outdoor temp.  On the few 25F nights we've had so far, the growroom remained at 58F, and on the few 100F days we had during the summer, it stayed at 58F.  The colonization room is insulated to R40, not counting the dirt it's buried in, so with the heat from the substrates, I'm sure I won't even need to provide supplemental heat.  In fact, I'll probably have the window cracked a bit all winter to keep it from getting too warm with 1500 substrate blocks inside.
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Re: the importance of light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11001217 - 09/04/09 08:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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In fact, I'll probably have the window cracked a bit all winter to keep it from getting too warm with 1500 substrate blocks inside.
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You need to harness that for heating your house. Maybe not this year, but... soon.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Doc_T]
    #11001254 - 09/04/09 08:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's too far away.  Besides, we have a wood stove and all the free firewood we can use right here, so we get free heat.  I like to keep it nice and cozy inside, and there's nothing like sitting in front of a warm fire and watching it snow.  After all the hard work this summer, I can't wait.
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Re: the importance of light [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #11002432 - 09/05/09 01:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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So for fae in the container, do you just have one vent sucking in and one vent sucking out? Or do you use passive venting?

How high is that rock layer on the ground?

You don't have problems with mold growing everywhere with that kind of humidity in there?

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Re: the importance of light [Re: danielx]
    #11002856 - 09/05/09 03:51 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

A shipping company a few years ago in my area went out of business and they were selling cargo containers for $500 each. Makes me wish I would have bought one.

When I saw those pics it gave me flashbacks of a bunch of crazy,cul,nudiest people that live in the mountains. They bury cargo containers and small trailers in the sides of mountains and live in them.

For growing mushrooms that looks like the way to go. I didnt realize how expensive it is. Labor is pricey. I thought for the price you could build a concrete style World War II bunker.

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Re: the importance of light [Re: danielx]
    #11003541 - 09/05/09 09:59 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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So for fae in the container, do you just have one vent sucking in and one vent sucking out? Or do you use passive venting?

How high is that rock layer on the ground?

You don't have problems with mold growing everywhere with that kind of humidity in there?

very nice setup. :thumbup:




The black pipe heats up in the sun and creates a lower pressure area which draws air up and out.  The white pipe creates a higher pressure area and feeds the container with fresh air.

The rocks are 3" to 4" thick, with a sloped concrete floor with drains at the low spot below the rocks.

No mold at all.  There's nothing for it to grow on.

Below is a shot just before it was covered up.  The tarps and plastic are moisture barriers, and the black and white passive ventilation pipes are visible at the far end.  After burial, they were each extended up another 10feet, to place them six feet above finished grade.  The back end of the unit is now under almost 10 feet of soil.  That's why the temperature stays a steady 58F, which is perfect for fall fruiting cold weather edibles and medicinals.
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