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the importance of light
    #10963940 - 08/29/09 10:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i have read a buch of diffrent posts concerning the importance of light and would like to ask a couple of questions. First i know that some mushies need light to initiate pinning but what about drawing energy from light agter pinning? is this false? Second can moving the monotub or moving the light affect the way a mushie grows? Can this cause aborts or can it cause some gnarled caps? Third what is the importance of the light schedule? Will a couple of hours off a regular schedule mess up a grow? I think i just need some clarification on this. thanks

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Re: the importance of light [Re: the_gardener]
    #10963995 - 08/29/09 11:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I was shocked when I learned of this as well. But apparently mushies utilize melanin to capture light energy.

Light doesn't seem to be the pinning trigger people used to claim it was. Seems the ebb and flow of humidity and air exchange are the real triggers.

My cat just recently started using daylight spectrum bulbs and thinks it making for more vigorous growth.

Many experienced cultivators are claiming a light schedule helps. But my cat is skeptical and is just leaving the light on 24/7.

Regarding moving the tub, its not a big deal at all. Some strains do seem to be more phototropic than others. My cat had some cambos that were really reaching for his halogen reading lamp. It was remarkable. But changing the lighting angle certainly isn't going to cause aborts.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: anonjon]
    #10964047 - 08/29/09 11:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

wow. melanin really. that is a shocker. so what your saying about the halogen is that the intensity or angle dont have to much affect on the mushies but the spectum does. even though i thought that most halogens where of the wrong spectrum. i too im really skeptical of the light so tell your cat im with him on that one. sounds like i need to do some more research

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Re: the importance of light [Re: the_gardener]
    #10964072 - 08/29/09 11:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'll leave the light on for this thread.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #10964076 - 08/29/09 11:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

^^lol^^

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Re: the importance of light [Re: the_gardener]
    #10964110 - 08/29/09 11:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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wow. melanin really. that is a shocker. so what your saying about the halogen is that the intensity or angle dont have to much affect on the mushies but the spectum does. even though i thought that most halogens where of the wrong spectrum. i too im really skeptical of the light so tell your cat im with him on that one. sounds like i need to do some more research





Well, my cat is using daylight spectrum florescents on the advice of those more experienced than himself. The halogen incident was separate. He happened to have a cake in a lone container by this lamp and the fruits went nuts growing towards it. They changed direction when he'd move it. The phototropism was obvious. Dunno if cause is spectrum or intensity.


Here's a pic. fruits all pinned off side towards light. Then cake was rotated and they started going the other way.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: anonjon]
    #10964159 - 08/30/09 12:07 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

wow thats intense. i think your cat just sparked an expiriment. i will see if my turtle can put the paramaters together to make it work.:grin:

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Re: the importance of light [Re: anonjon]
    #10965001 - 08/30/09 07:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Light doesn't seem to be the pinning trigger people used to claim it was. Seems the ebb and flow of humidity and air exchange are the real triggers.




Light is also, but the other two are also important. You need all three.
Our understanding of the role that light plays is evolving, you'll see new info, and refutation of old info, as you search it out.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Doc_T]
    #10965024 - 08/30/09 07:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well I don't mean to disagree with you doc t but can you elaborate. The reson I ask is that when my turtle incubates his cakes he does not keep them in complete darkness. As per your theory they would all pin invetro. To the best of my knowladge this has never happened

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Re: the importance of light [Re: the_gardener]
    #10965038 - 08/30/09 08:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Light in the 6500-6800k spectrum is necessary for healthy fruit formation. Without proper lighting, yields will suffer.

If you want wall to wall flushes in a monotub, you'll need to invest $20 or so in a decent light.

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Re: the importance of light [Re: the_gardener]
    #10965050 - 08/30/09 08:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Well I don't mean to disagree with you doc t but can you elaborate. The reson I ask is that when my turtle incubates his cakes he does not keep them in complete darkness. As per your theory they would all pin invetro. To the best of my knowladge this has never happened




Light is one trigger, along with fresh air and complete colonization. Just like I said.
(It's possible to grow cubes in darkness, but they won't like it very much.)

In vitro pinning also has a genetic component- once I grew out several generations of prints from one strain, and along the way, I accidentally selected for that. :frown:


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Doc_T]
    #10965106 - 08/30/09 08:24 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

My cat lets them pin invitro and birth. Altho he doesn't rinse the cakes or dunk on the first flush like many do. This is probably not optimal, but he likes skipping steps when he can. There's definitely more mutants doing this tho. I'm not sure if it's the light making them pin, or the shrinking of the cake or combo thereof. Flipping the jar really seems to encourage it.

My cat only recently switched to this recommended lighting. His jars sit in the light the whole time they colonizing. He hasn't really noticed much of a change in pinning. He was surprised because he used to think light was a big trigger.


...here's some mutants caused by invitro pinning :smile:

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Re: the importance of light [Re: Doc_T]
    #10965112 - 08/30/09 08:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
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Well I don't mean to disagree with you doc t but can you elaborate. The reason I ask is that when my turtle incubates his cakes he does not keep them in complete darkness. As per your theory they would all pin invetro. To the best of my knowledge this has never happened




Light is one trigger, along with fresh air and complete colonization. Just like I said.
(It's possible to grow cubes in darkness, but they won't like it very much.)

In vitro pinning also has a genetic component- once I grew out several generations of prints from one strain, and along the way, I accidentally selected for that. :frown:




gotcha. so its not one or the other its all three. I'm sorry i misunderstood.

Can we go the other way with it then.  is there a point where light becomes detrimental. like is there such a thing as too much light?

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Re: the importance of light [Re: the_gardener]
    #10965126 - 08/30/09 08:35 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You aren't really grokking this in fullness, little egg.

Mushroom production is how the mycelium has sex. Ok?
It's not 'like' sex, it IS sex.
You want to seduce the mycelium, just like seducing a girl (or boy, I guess). Hold its hand, rub its feet. Nibble on the ears a bit. Hug it, pull it closer, tell it how you feel about it.

To get a ferocious and even pinset, you want to colonize in relative darkness, then introduce light while you drop RH (slightly) and increase FAE (a lot).
Read Hyphae's Pinning Strategy if you can find a link. :smile:


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Doc_T]
    #10965134 - 08/30/09 08:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

right on man.  its been  a while since the birds and the bees so some times i need a refresher. ill look up hypae's pinning stratagy.  i think its in your sig. thanks for the info. looks like i have more reading to do. by the way i love your avatar. boxy right. shes hot as hell.

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Re: the importance of light [Re: the_gardener]
    #10965143 - 08/30/09 08:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i have more reading to do.




Good, that's right where you should be! :thumbup:


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Re: the importance of light [Re: Doc_T]
    #10965157 - 08/30/09 08:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

A) light good

B) get your turtle some veggies

C) grab string for cat

D) don't turn domestic animals into illegal cultivators

sorry, I'm in a weird state of mind

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Re: the importance of light [Re: Doc_T]
    #10965162 - 08/30/09 08:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

my cat doesnt grow mushrooms. but she likes to eat them.


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Re: the importance of light [Re: prismism]
    #10965187 - 08/30/09 09:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Lol, I needed that, thanks prism :smile:

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Re: the importance of light [Re: PNW FunGuy]
    #10965208 - 08/30/09 09:10 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

who said anything about illegal mushrooms.

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