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Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms
    #10955703 - 08/28/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Touch Tripping?


Hi everyone. Last night I had a very strange experience with tripping from long touch exposure to fresh Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms. Skeptical? I don't blame you. Many others are as well. The experiment is very simple and it is only to see if there may be some correlation between touching mushrooms and tripping - possibly suggesting that small threshold effects of Psilocybin may be able to be felt when absorbed through the skin. All I'm asking you to do is this -

After picking many fresh Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms, pile them in a bowl and set an empty bowl next to it. Over the course of 60 minutes, simply pick up the mushrooms, play around with them in your hands, and move them back and forth between the 2 bowls making sure to get good skin contact all over your hands. Edit: in order to replicate exactly what I did on that night, make sure the mushrooms are moist from misting before picked and placed into the bowl. There should be a small amount of water content on your hands.

This little experiment can be done right after picking and right before the drying process. Report your experiences in this thread and please answer these 3 questions:




Did you feel any effects at all?


If so, answering as objectively as you can, do you think that you might have been experiencing the placebo effect in any way? Do you truly think that through the long exposure touching of these mushrooms, Psilocin has somehow made its way to your brain?


Share any other thoughts on your experience with trying this experiment. (total waste of time? you felt something, etc.)




Obviously I know that the placebo effect is very hard to rule out without blind experiment but please bear with me as this is impossible through an internet forum. I just want to hear from other people's direct experiences. I'm surprised there isn't very much information on this subject.

Thank you to anyone who participates. :grin:

Edited by Nihlus (08/28/09 07:00 PM)

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Nihlus]
    #10955740 - 08/28/09 03:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting, I will not be doing this but I hope others will :smile:

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: DeadHearts]
    #10955770 - 08/28/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i can and will in about a week and a half
WHOO HOO!!! fresh mushies!!


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: sacredvisions88]
    #10955921 - 08/28/09 03:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Placebo effect?

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: badman]
    #10955987 - 08/28/09 03:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I have noticed something akin to what you are talking about. Definite effects from handling fresh mushrooms. It may be some sort of placebo, but I like to think of it as an anticipatory reaction. I don't know if there is science behind it, but if I recall correctly, the highest concentration of actives is in the "skin" of the cap.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: badman]
    #10956020 - 08/28/09 03:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Placebo effect?




Yeah really. Hard to determine. However last night I truly feel that what I experienced was beyond the placebo effect. It was a very thorough psychedelic experience and even though now I have access to plenty of mushrooms due to harvest, I don't feel like I need another psychedelic experience in a while.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Nihlus]
    #10956051 - 08/28/09 03:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

iv got fresh ones picked two hrs ago ill give it a shot

in the name of science.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: badman]
    #10956081 - 08/28/09 03:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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iv got fresh ones picked two hrs ago ill give it a shot

in the name of science.




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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: badman]
    #10956132 - 08/28/09 04:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

it is water soluable, that means it could very well be absorbed through the skin.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: badman]
    #10956143 - 08/28/09 04:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i just can't do it. i am cursed with an extremely Strong sense of smell and i always just about puke of the smell at harvest time. not to mention the stank just don't come off


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: fungusfeller]
    #10956201 - 08/28/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i just can't do it. i am cursed with an extremely Strong sense of smell and i always just about puke of the smell at harvest time. not to mention the stank just don't come off




I have this happen when I handle various psychoactive materials. I think it stems from them making you vomit, and your body recognizes them as toxic in future encounters. Things I found pleasurable initially damn near make me vomit now from smell alone.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: avorg]
    #10956272 - 08/28/09 04:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i just can't do it. i am cursed with an extremely Strong sense of smell and i always just about puke of the smell at harvest time. not to mention the stank just don't come off




I have this happen when I handle various psychoactive materials. I think it stems from them making you vomit, and your body recognizes them as toxic in future encounters. Things I found pleasurable initially damn near make me vomit now from smell alone.



nah, i can smell blood even if it across the room, it really is a curse


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: fungusfeller]
    #10956378 - 08/28/09 04:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

what about a pure extraction of psilocin?  i was looking at the psilocybe fanaticus tek to a pure alcohol extraction of psilocybin and psilocin and was thinking maybe absorbing a pure extraction of psilocin into the skin might give one heartier results.

anyone done a pure extraction lately?


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: sacredvisions88]
    #10956596 - 08/28/09 05:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well between 5-6pm i played with 2 bowls of fresh.  I then waited an hr  I am not feeling anything.


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: truskool]
    #10956638 - 08/28/09 05:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

did you have any contact with an ointment or any sort of trans-dermal lotion before the episode. if so the chemical could have leached to the blood system with the aid of the lotion.

some lotions work better than others you know.


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: xtofury]
    #10956658 - 08/28/09 05:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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it is water soluable, that means it could very well be absorbed through the skin.




There are three ways mechanisms by which drugs can pass through the skin, two of them favour lipid soluble drugs massively. Only the follicle route allows water soluble drug passage, even still its not favoured by much and the drug will need to be in solution, lotion or cream.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Nihlus]
    #10956677 - 08/28/09 05:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I will try this later, but I thought I'd share a related story.

My cat went to a phish show with a good sized bag of mushies in his shoe. He ingested about 2 dry grams. It started pouring down rain and his shoes got soaked along w/ the contents. The trip was much, much more powerful than anticipated. When reality finally started to settle in on him, he found himself wandering around the back of the parking lot, not quite knowing what had happened. He felt something squishy in his shoes and checked it out to see what it was and realized what was up.

However I remain skeptical that merely handling them could have similar effect. You're just as likely to feel funny just reminiscing about tripping.


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: ratdog]
    #10956903 - 08/28/09 06:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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did you have any contact with an ointment or any sort of trans-dermal lotion before the episode. if so the chemical could have leached to the blood system with the aid of the lotion.

some lotions work better than others you know.




Nope. My hands were moist because the mushrooms were recently misted and the room was like 78 degrees so my palms might have been naturally sweating a little too... I wonder if water/moisture on the hands would make a difference in the experiment.

edit: I changed the instructions a tad to replicate the conditions from that night I experienced effects.

Edited by Nihlus (08/28/09 07:01 PM)

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Nihlus]
    #10965909 - 08/30/09 12:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone else down for this? My thread in the Psychedelic Experience forum got closed because I'm obviously an idiot for even suggesting that this is possible. :rolleyes:

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Nihlus]
    #10965925 - 08/30/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i taped caps to my nipples for a few hours and got nothin, sorry


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Nihlus]
    #10965962 - 08/30/09 12:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Ive been handling active mushrooms for two years. Ive handled a couple pounds of Pan Cyans and cubes at one time.I touched them while they were wet and dripping with moisture. Ive never felt any effects. To be honest, I doubt you can get high by touching them.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: anonjon]
    #10967985 - 08/30/09 06:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well held three fresh ones in my hand for 90 mins while i watched football but nothing happened so I brewed them up. This was last night btw not now.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Nihlus]
    #10968221 - 08/30/09 06:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hmmm.. this is interesting. I wonder.. fresh mushrooms have a very distinct smell, and cubes smell very distinct from other mushrooms. I wonder if it has something to do with airborne rather than touching, as dry shrooms tend to be less aromatic.

Or maybe it is a mental association. Just as a certain smell can trigger certain feelings depending on an associated event (i.e., your girlfriend dumped you in a flower shop, so the smell of flowers make you depressed). I wonder if the smell of mushrooms makes your brain start remembering your trip or something. I think this would make the most sense.


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: anonjon]
    #10968241 - 08/30/09 06:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Why not smear some fresh fruits on your pulse points(wrist, temple, neck)?

I would imagine that would do the trick if it as viable through skin.


A friend of mine had a similar experiance but I'd assume it's psychological, or a spiritual bond.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: fungusfeller]
    #10968250 - 08/30/09 06:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i just can't do it. i am cursed with an extremely Strong sense of smell and i always just about puke of the smell at harvest time. not to mention the stank just don't come off




I have this happen when I handle various psychoactive materials. I think it stems from them making you vomit, and your body recognizes them as toxic in future encounters. Things I found pleasurable initially damn near make me vomit now from smell alone.



nah, i can smell blood even if it across the room, it really is a curse




what happens when your G/f doesnt not wash her vadge for a day of two?

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: anonjon]
    #10968264 - 08/30/09 06:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah I have had that happen as well, thats the reason tobacco pickers wear gloves handling that shit all day makes you loopy...


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: DeadHearts]
    #10968313 - 08/30/09 06:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i just can't do it. i am cursed with an extremely Strong sense of smell and i always just about puke of the smell at harvest time. not to mention the stank just don't come off




I have this happen when I handle various psychoactive materials. I think it stems from them making you vomit, and your body recognizes them as toxic in future encounters. Things I found pleasurable initially damn near make me vomit now from smell alone.



nah, i can smell blood even if it across the room, it really is a curse




what happens when your G/f doesnt not wash her vadge for a day of two?




they must know when a woman is menstruating also, by that theory. you could probably make  some money off that at a carnival or something...

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: avorg]
    #10968431 - 08/30/09 07:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Get some oleic acid or lauric acid, soak the mushrooms in that mixed with propylene glycol and
lecithin, tell me how hard you trip off of that :smile:


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: anonjon]
    #10968498 - 08/30/09 07:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Have handled 1000's of fresh cubes..been up to my arms in them picking in the wild..and home grown...never tripped after skin contact.....e


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: potatonet]
    #10968516 - 08/30/09 07:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

What kind of quanti
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Get some oleic acid or lauric acid, soak the mushrooms in that mixed with propylene glycol and
lecithin, tell me how hard you trip off of that :smile:




How interesting please tell me more

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: badman]
    #10968604 - 08/30/09 07:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Excipients that don't get caught in your skins lipid layer and will carry the stuff with it. Straight shot transdermal :smile:


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: potatonet]
    #10968684 - 08/30/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

over the last 15 hrs i have been harvesting, dunking and cleaning my tubs. when i dunk i peal away the plastic and look for side fruits and pins, then with my finger nail i scrape away the substrate. I have had a wonderful day. My mood is better than normal, objects and colors seem more vivid, and everything is more interesting. this could all be a coincidence or chemical osmosis at work. who knows.


p.s. my girlfriend hasnt been totaly bicthtastic in the last 2 days. that might be why as well:lmafo:


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: potatonet]
    #10968687 - 08/30/09 07:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Excipients that don't get caught in your skins lipid layer and will carry the stuff with it. Straight shot transdermal :smile:





So a cream or lotion would be formulated depending on the quantities of expedients used.

have you tried this shit out before, sounds quality, a dosed up cream you rub behind your ears. lol

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: badman]
    #10968914 - 08/30/09 08:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I first handled many fresh cubes 10 years ago and I always felt slightly different just from smelling them.  This subtle shift of perception also seemed to get stronger the more experience I had after having a psychedelic experience with them.  This leads me to suspect that it is mostly a placebo or possibly a sort Pavlovian response to the odor but I've always suspected some level of active transfer via physical contact.  Or maybe it is just an adrenal reaction to the excitement and anticipation.


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: anonjon]
    #10969022 - 08/30/09 08:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, Was your skin open anywhere when you handled then. Maybe your hands were raw or something like that?


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Bassgasm]
    #10969096 - 08/30/09 08:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Hmm, Was your skin open anywhere when you handled then. Maybe your hands were raw or something like that?





bite ur cuticles/fingernails?

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: wattballasts]
    #10969135 - 08/30/09 08:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Hmm, Was your skin open anywhere when you handled then. Maybe your hands were raw or something like that?





bite ur cuticles/fingernails?






I mean like, maybe cuts or skin that had been worn off something like that


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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Bassgasm]
    #10969358 - 08/30/09 09:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well I didn't have any cuts. I did however spend a long day out in the sun and didn't wear any sunscreen on my hands or arms and they were a little sunburned. :shrug: And no, I didn't chew my fingernails.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Nihlus]
    #10995160 - 09/03/09 09:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Nihlus said:
Anyone else down for this? My thread in the Psychedelic Experience forum got closed because I'm obviously an idiot for even suggesting that this is possible. :rolleyes:




You are not an idiot.  Check this from page 195 of A WORLDWIDE GEOGRAPHICAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE NEUROTROPIC FUNGI, AN ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION by GASTÓN GUZMÁN, JOHN W. ALLEN & JOCHEN GARTZ, 2000.

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It seems that psilocybin and psilocin are volatiles, as Guzmán observed while exploring Oaxaca (Mexico) looking for neurotropic fungi in 1958. He experienced colored hallucinations although he had not consumed any fungi. This occurred one night when he was trying to sleep in a small closed-door room of an Indian home, which was filled with a large collection of fresh or semifermented neurotropic specimens of a mixture of Psilocybe spp. (P.caerulescens, P. cordispora, P. cubensis, P. mexicana and P. zapotecorum), that he had gathered with the help of local Indians. These mushrooms were kept in sacs and had been collected for commercial purposes. The air of the room was heavy with a strong acrid aroma of the fungi to which his prolonged exposure resulted in the hallucinations that he experienced. When he came out of the room tobreathe fresh air, the hallucinations stopped




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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: Workman]
    #10995431 - 09/03/09 09:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well done workman!

I want a room like this haha.

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    #11002082 - 09/04/09 11:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

That's pretty amazing. It's nice to have something to validate your experiences, instead of sarcastic comments from closed minded people. Although it does take some of the -magic- out of it.

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Re: Community Experiment - Need help from cultivators handling fresh mushrooms [Re: anonjon]
    #11002125 - 09/04/09 11:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i wanna try i just harvested a cake of PE i just dont wanna bruise em all up


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