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OfflineMurex
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A Question
    #1094871 - 11/29/02 12:24 AM (14 years, 9 days ago)

I did mushies for the second time the other night and the experience was totally different than my first. My first was all emotional while this last one was all visual. I came to the conclusion that these must be different types of mushroom- but then I thought that all mushrooms (the ones that make you trip) have Psilocybin in them.

My question is this- Why would I have a totally different kind of trip when I'm still injesting psilocybin?

:confused: :confused: :confused: 


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
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Re: A Question [Re: Murex]
    #1095299 - 11/29/02 03:05 AM (14 years, 9 days ago)

Mindset and setting play a HUGE role in this :smile:

If you wait a couple months and trip again, you may notice how much more emotional it is when you keep the trips separated further :-)

HOWEVER, visual trips are fuckin fantastic as well - they can be intensely profound.

-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
And I actually do believe (contrary to the popular consensus) that different shrooms can have slightly different effects - its the same with weed


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Re: A Question [Re: Strumpling]
    #1095638 - 11/29/02 10:40 AM (14 years, 9 days ago)

That's right strumpling. I once went on an insane bad trip while on a very low dose (a bit more than 1gram). It was all mental though, but nevertheless I experienced this very empty feeling. Hard to describe off course, unless you've experienced it for yourself.

Your mind is capable of many things; that's why most trips will be different


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Re: A Question [Re: Calimero]
    #1095652 - 11/29/02 10:53 AM (14 years, 9 days ago)

I usualy get that feeling if i havent had the right amount of shrooms for to give me a level 1 trip. Its an annoying buzz that juts wont let you sleep or do aything.


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Re: A Question [Re: Strumpling]
    #1095990 - 11/29/02 02:17 PM (14 years, 9 days ago)

If you wait a couple months and trip again, you may notice how much more emotional it is when you keep the trips separated further :-)

It's been a year and a half. Is that not long enough?
My setting and mindset were basically the same aslo.

This trip was totally different. I felt almost 100% sober this last time. Just when I closed my eyes I wasn't.

I'm thinking different kinds of mushrooms were the reason for this.


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Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: A Question [Re: Murex]
    #1096249 - 11/29/02 04:38 PM (14 years, 9 days ago)

Ah A year and a half....... ok then ;-) I just thought I remembered reading your other trip report like a month ago or something.

Anyway, a year and a half is definitely sufficient time to process the last trip.

The more you do mushrooms the more sober you'll feel while on them, but you'll still be tripping - its your brain getting comfortable with this altered state, in my opinion.

The first few times I tripped were certainly more "alien" than like the last time I tripped (few months back). Also a year and a half will definitely put you in a completely different mindset, no matter what. I think this is the main reason the trip was so different.

All we can do now is wait and see how next-time goes ;-)

And I'll also throw in once again that I BELIEVE different shrooms have slightly different effects - i mean you stipp trip on them but thre can be differences, from what my brain has recorded.

-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
:smile:


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Edited by Strumpling (11/29/02 04:40 PM)


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Re: A Question [Re: Strumpling]
    #1096535 - 11/29/02 06:45 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

Would eating them fresh do anything? Because the last dose I ate fresh.


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: A Question [Re: Strumpling]
    #1096542 - 11/29/02 06:50 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

Each different species of (hallucinogenic) mushrooms has a different chemical makeup. Psilocybin is just the common factor. These different chemicals could affect the trip slightly or greatly.


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Re: A Question [Re: Murex]
    #1096570 - 11/29/02 07:02 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

strumpling nailed it. set and setting
where your at mentaly one day is different than the next
this is why i high dose , it overides all emotional factors and puts your ego where it belongs K.O.d



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Re: A Question [Re: chinacat72]
    #1096585 - 11/29/02 07:08 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

I think 3eyedGod nailed it personally. My mindset and setting are basically the same (like I said earlier) and I think it's impossable for me to have a bad trip. I also tried to medatate befor I tripped. Oh yeah- I also took an asprin 30 miniutes before my trip.

This trip seemed to open my crown chakra (I felt like the guy in Adamist's Avatar).

My first trip seemed to open my 3rd eye and my heart chakra.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



Edited by Murex (11/29/02 07:10 PM)


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Re: A Question [Re: Murex]
    #1096587 - 11/29/02 07:11 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

While I don't know about this chakra talk, I noticed you said your 2nd dose was fresh....

!!!!!!! dude there's a HUGE DIFFERENCE man :smile: The fresh mushrooms require WAY more consumption - if you took the same weight for the 2nd dose, then thats DEFINITELY why the trips were so different.


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Re: A Question [Re: Strumpling]
    #1096607 - 11/29/02 07:16 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

I thought fresh were more potent. I did more my second trip (fresh) than my first. It cost me frickin $80 and I ate the whole bag! I think I kinda got ripped off, but anyways....no ego death or anything even close- just visuals.

It must be the type of mushroom and the fact that I ate them fresh.



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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



Edited by Murex (11/29/02 07:18 PM)


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Re: A Question [Re: Murex]
    #1096659 - 11/29/02 07:42 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

well when you eat them fresh you have to eat a WHOLE lot more..

like as opposed to eating 3.5 grams of dried, you'd want to eay way more than twice that of fresh; I THINK! research that because I never work with fresh mushrooms but I know that you have to take WAY more (as far as weight is concerned) to take off......... waterweight you know.


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Re: A Question [Re: Strumpling]
    #1097931 - 11/30/02 07:50 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

I go for a ten to one ratio.  wet:dry.  It's the only way.

Can someone please explain to me why people who come to this site and are obviously aware of how easy it is to grow shrooms, would pay $80 for a trips worth? :confused:


Edited by Mr Wobblehead (11/30/02 07:54 AM)


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Re: A Question [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1097963 - 11/30/02 08:38 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

JESUS CHRIST!!! WTF ARE YOU SAYING???!?!?!
Fresh mushrooms are MORE potent than the dry !
if you don't know something for sure it isnt too wise to tell bull!
misinformation is not what these forums need


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Re: A Question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #1097987 - 11/30/02 09:10 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

In reply to:

JESUS CHRIST!!! WTF ARE YOU SAYING???!?!?!
Fresh mushrooms are MORE potent than the dry !
if you don't know something for sure it isnt too wise to tell bull!
misinformation is not what these forums need




What I'm saying is that I go for a ten to one ratio.

In case you didn't know, wet shrooms are about 90% water, you can get them even wetter than that. So 50 grams of wet shrooms = 5 grams of dry shrooms - approx. It's very simple arithmetic, no difficult calculus involved.

If you reckon that 5 grams of wet shrooms is more potent than 5 grams of dry shrooms then you are a fucking idiot.

Sure, shrooms lose a little potency in drying, but powdered dry shrooms are easier to digest than wet shrooms so you come up quicker. Ergo, If you are used to dosing on 4 grams of dry powdered shrooms then you will need to take about 40 grams of fresh wet shrooms to do the same job.

And my statement was that that is what I do. And that is exactly what i do. If you don't like the fact that i use a ten to one ratio then tuff fucking shit on you, but don't start accusing me of misinforming people. I simply stated what I dose at.

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Re: A Question [Re: Mr Wobblehead]
    #1097996 - 11/30/02 09:27 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

ok i talked a little agresive and i am sorry. i believe that fresh are more potent than the dried. a search could give you more knowledge:-)


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Re: A Question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #1098065 - 11/30/02 11:03 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

What 3eyedgod said.

Psilocybin is probably not the only psychoactive chemical in shrooms. Different strains and species most likely have varying amounts of several chemicals. I don't think one kind of mushrooms could be vastly different than another though. Set,setting,food eaten,time of day,naturally flucuating neurotransmitters,other drugs (i.e. caffeine)etc,etc,etc.. could change a trip.
For example, sometimes the same dose of speed makes me introverted and nervous,other times I get talkative and euphoric.


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Re: A Question [Re: Hamurabi]
    #1098134 - 11/30/02 12:12 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

In reply to:

i believe that fresh are more potent than the dried. a search could give you more knowledge:-)



I think it's you that needs to do some searching.

From shroomerys dosing calculator...

Dried Cubes... 5.6 milligrams of psilocybin per gram
Dried Cubes... 0.15 milligrams of psilocin per gram

Wet cubes... 0.8 milligrams of psilocybin per gram
Wet Cubes... 0.05 milligrams of psilocin per gram

Now if you would like to provide me with a reputable source that suggests that wet shrooms are more potent than dried, or even anywhere near, then i'm willing to admit i'm wrong, but you won't find one.

What you also have to bear in mind with this, is that although fresh shrooms by weight have about one seventh the happy juice that dried one's do, the way that your stomach acid will deal with the two is also different. So in order to hit the same peak on fresh shrooms that you do on dried, I reckon, and believe from personal experience, that you need ten times as much by weight and not just seven.

Now I've backed up my point of view with solid evidence and sound scientific reasoning. Are you just going to say that i'm wrong without anything to support that?


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Re: A Question [Re: Murex]
    #1100833 - 12/01/02 01:33 PM (14 years, 7 days ago)

No two trips that you have will be the same. Just go with it open minded ready for whatever.


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