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OfflineSventington
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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10934722 - 08/25/09 02:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I've never really found fairies/goblins etc. to be very comparable concepts to God.




But they are the same... creatures/concepts with ZERO evidence of existance. Why is "god" any different?

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it provides one with the idea life has meaning, that they have meaning, that things aren't an accident





Maybe there is no meaning? Maybe it was an accident... That's what the evidence says. We are on a big space rock that happened to have some life spring up. It happens.

To give weight to one fairytale creature over another just because it makes you feel better is illogical.




I've asked this before and I'm still not clear on it, what would be considered evidence of God? Some claim to experience God, but if that's not to be accepted as evidence, then what would be?

Regarding your last point, I wouldn't say it's illogical. I think it makes more sense to look after how you feel than to try to climb the summit of Mount Truth so you suddenly are blessed with some kind of super-perspective.

Why value truth over comfort?


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: sandman3698]
    #10935387 - 08/25/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

But isn't it more the morals than the belief involved? I think that most theistic people have this belief that all non-theists are essentially immoral. Plus, most widespread theistic religions have a clause in their 'bible' or whatever that refutes all arguments given by the atheist/agnostic. And then the non-theists just tend to think the theists are sheeplike, stupid, lazy and ignorant while the theists label them 'hardhearted', boring, flatminded and rebellious. So generally it's more of a debate over the stereotypes of people respresenting each side.


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10935696 - 08/25/09 04:49 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe there is no meaning? Maybe it was an accident... That's what the evidence says. We are on a big space rock that happened to have some life spring up. It happens.



"Those animated by the purpose of proving that they are purposeless constitute an interesting area of study." -- A. N. Whitehead


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: Sventington]
    #10936954 - 08/25/09 07:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Sventington said:

Why value truth over comfort?






And that what religious folks just can't wrap their noodles around.

I am comfortable knowing I will not exist. I live for today, and when I die... well, I won't really give a shit at that point.

That's the beauty of it all.

And you don't eat meat on Fridays during random months... :yesnod:

Makes total sense.


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OfflineSventington
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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10936984 - 08/25/09 07:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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RoosterCogburn said:
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Sventington said:

Why value truth over comfort?






And that what religious folks just can't wrap their noodles around.

I am comfortable knowing I will not exist. I live for today, and when I die... well, I won't really give a shit at that point.

That's the beauty of it all.

And you don't eat meat on Fridays during random months... :yesnod:

Makes total sense.




I can accept one can be comfortable believing they will cease to exist at some point. However not all are comfortable with that idea. In the event they're not, why would it be better for them to abandon something that gives them comfort for something which doesn't necessarily offer that same comfort?

I should point out right now I'm not religious. I only mention that as I'm not sure if the you is referring to religious people or me in particular.


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: Sventington]
    #10937007 - 08/25/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm an INTP.

I like truth. :shrug:

I'm one of those guys that would rather live an awful truth than walk around in some goofy fantasy world.

My problem is those people AFFECT me. They bitch to government and schools and everywhere else to get THEIR way put into action.

Keep that shit in YOUR house and fuck up YOUR kids.

YOUR/YOU means christians/catholics/whatever... not you man. :smirk:


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10937017 - 08/25/09 07:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, I get where you're coming from.

That's all from me for now!


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: Sventington]
    #10937022 - 08/25/09 07:49 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

:cheers:


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10937323 - 08/25/09 08:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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RoosterCogburn said:
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I've never really found fairies/goblins etc. to be very comparable concepts to God.




But they are the same... creatures/concepts with ZERO evidence of existance. Why is "god" any different?

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it provides one with the idea life has meaning, that they have meaning, that things aren't an accident





Maybe there is no meaning? Maybe it was an accident... That's what the evidence says. We are on a big space rock that happened to have some life spring up. It happens.

To give weight to one fairytale creature over another just because it makes you feel better is illogical.




something else that has ZERO evidence is the NON existence of god.
And there is no true evidence that we were an accident, only scientific THEORY.


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: sandman3698]
    #10937393 - 08/25/09 08:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Theories are made up with a collection of evidence.  Theories are a bigger deal than facts/evidence - its takes alot of facts/evidence to make a theory.

I agree there is zero evidence for the non-existence of god and thus atheism is faith based.  But there is evidence we were not designed, so if there is a god its likely dispassionate or maybe even unaware of our existence.

(there is however plenty of evidence against the gods of famous religions)


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: sandman3698]
    #10937558 - 08/25/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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something else that has ZERO evidence is the NON existence of ...




This statement is evidence for the nonexistence of philosophical understanding.


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10938119 - 08/25/09 10:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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something else that has ZERO evidence is the NON existence of ...




This statement is evidence for the nonexistence of philosophical understanding.




:yesnod:

You can't prove that my unicorn doesn't exist, therefore I ride a unicorn to work.

:woot:


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Re: Atheism vs. Theism [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #10938136 - 08/25/09 10:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You cant prove anything scientifically, but there is copious amounts of evidence that unicorns do not exist (along with celestial teapots, fairies and flying spaghetti monsters).


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