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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #10975411 - 08/31/09 08:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Man, you just raised so many fucking topics in one post. This is why we have specific forums, and why people make threads about a specific topic.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10975510 - 08/31/09 08:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

the thread name is, "all this shit is so trivial"

which is exactly what i've said about every single detail of life.

i was reading the thread, you're a nazi dude. uptight as can be. but does that matter? does anything matter?

it's all so trivial.

all this shit is so trivial.


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #10975531 - 08/31/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I see your point. You just explained the trivialities of your life so that people may agree with you that life is trivial.


You know what matters to me? Enjoying life. It's not too trivial for me. :satansmoking:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10975867 - 08/31/09 09:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, so if you understand that life is (lets not say trivial) divorced from inherent meaning, you can use that to your advantage. If all events and aspects of life are fundamentally arbitrary - only energy at play - and any perspective we take on them is equally as arbitrary, you can simply shift yourself to the perspective that feels the best. Philosophical hedonism. You understand that you feeling bad about life is equally as baseless as someone feeling great about it, so just learn to trick yourself into feeling good. Manipulate your own life outlook to your advantage.

Of course easier said than done, but this is a trick LSD taught me, and it serves me well :smirk:.

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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
    #10976314 - 08/31/09 10:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

true poid. i never said all these things were a problem... and enjoying life is good, i simply am pointing out that everything is kinda pointless if you look at it right. but then, ying to my yang, everything can have meaning, but what is that meaning? is it your meaning for it? or mine? or his?

his meaning (toad) is pretty good btw... everything is just energy at play. we give it meaning.

 

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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #10977903 - 09/01/09 07:17 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

But then again, this might only be an illusion making the underlying meaning difficult to see. A fleeting order hidden by chaos and apparent shallowness.


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: solstice]
    #10978331 - 09/01/09 09:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, so if you understand that life is (lets not say trivial) divorced from inherent meaning, you can use that to your advantage. If all events and aspects of life are fundamentally arbitrary - only energy at play - and any perspective we take on them is equally as arbitrary, you can simply shift yourself to the perspective that feels the best. Philosophical hedonism. You understand that you feeling bad about life is equally as baseless as someone feeling great about it, so just learn to trick yourself into feeling good. Manipulate your own life outlook to your advantage.

Of course easier said than done, but this is a trick LSD taught me, and it serves me well :smirk:.



I don't believe this worth a shit, philosophical hedonism seems to be fundamentally identical to religion. :nonono:


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But then again, this might only be an illusion making the underlying meaning difficult to see. A fleeting order hidden by chaos and apparent shallowness.



:rofl2:

Oh fuck, you think there may be an inherent objective meaning to life? This should be interesting. :goodmorning:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10978466 - 09/01/09 10:14 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Oh fuck, you think there may be an inherent objective meaning to life? This should be interesting.




Yes, I think there may be but you seemed about to go on an enlightening speech to show me what is wrong with that, go ahead! :ooo: I'm all eyes.


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: solstice]
    #10978793 - 09/01/09 11:13 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Nah, I'd rather refute your ideas, it's much more fun for me! :grin:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10978818 - 09/01/09 11:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Nah, I'd rather refute your ideas, it's much more fun for me! :grin:




:shrug: Well alright, do it then. Refute this idea: But then again, this might only be an illusion making the underlying meaning difficult to see. A fleeting order hidden by chaos and apparent shallowness.


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10978860 - 09/01/09 11:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't believe this worth a shit, philosophical hedonism seems to be fundamentally identical to religion. :nonono:




How is that similar to religion? I'm saying you can come up with your own meaning/perspective on life, knowing it will be arbitrary, to maximize pleasure.

Religions have a set meaning or dogma that they believe is not arbitrary at all, but a fundamental truth of the cosmos. This dogma often does not maximize pleasure.

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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Tranquil Toad]
    #10978881 - 09/01/09 11:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Nah, I'd rather refute your ideas, it's much more fun for me! :grin:




:shrug: Well alright, do it then. Refute this idea: But then again, this might only be an illusion making the underlying meaning difficult to see. A fleeting order hidden by chaos and apparent shallowness.



Alright, then once you've got all that fog in your head all cleared up, come back to me here! :grin:


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I don't believe this worth a shit, philosophical hedonism seems to be fundamentally identical to religion. :nonono:




How is that similar to religion? I'm saying you can come up with your own meaning/perspective on life, knowing it will be arbitrary, to maximize pleasure.

Religions have a set meaning or dogma that they believe is not arbitrary at all, but a fundamental truth of the cosmos. This dogma often does not maximize pleasure.



Religions come up with their own meaning/perspective on life.

I don't think truth is arbitrary. :nono:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10978946 - 09/01/09 11:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Alright, then once you've got all that fog in your head all cleared up, come back to me here !




You've got it all wrong my friend. You're the one who wants to refute so... refute! Or maybe you can't! :grin:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: solstice]
    #10978965 - 09/01/09 11:46 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

What am I to refute? That you think there may be a meaning to life?

How can I argue against an opinion? :confused:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10978985 - 09/01/09 11:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Nah, I'd rather refute your ideas, it's much more fun for me! :grin:




Hey you said it! Not me and now you're shying away from it. :lol:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10978986 - 09/01/09 11:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:lol: But, but, his opinions must be true. Cause it's so self evident to him. :monkeydance:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Icelander]
    #10979154 - 09/01/09 12:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

He apparently doesn't understand that his subjective reality only exists for him. Can't imagine why anyone would think that. :justdontknow:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10979218 - 09/01/09 12:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Well I guess it completely went past you guys that I was merely speaking my mind at the moment because I was inspired by what was being said and doing so without claiming that what I was saying was an ultimate truth.

In any case, I have the impression that a couple of people here are so intent on arguing that they developped some kind of automatic reflex to argue anything that will come their way ( or even actively seek something to argue over ).

This might be the philosophy section but without any intention of progress, a discussion can hardly be considered a philosophical one.

And just to make sure this is not misinterpreted ( since we are, it seems, walking on eggshells 'round here ) this is no more and no less than my opinion.  :blowjob:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: solstice]
    #10979307 - 09/01/09 12:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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In any case, I have the impression that a couple of people here are so intent on arguing that they developped some kind of automatic reflex to argue anything that will come their way ( or even actively seek something to argue over ).



So what? :confused:


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This might be the philosophy section but without any intention of progress, a discussion can hardly be considered a philosophical one.



I agree. We cannot make much progress if you are unaware of the "rules" of debate. :thumbup:


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Re: All this shit is so trivial. [Re: Poid]
    #10979352 - 09/01/09 12:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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So what?




Indeed, so what? Well I guess it depends if one minds being a mere automaton or not. To each his own!

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I agree. We cannot make much progress if you are unaware of the "rules" of debate.




Ah! This is a good one. But you see, for the last hour I've been trying to orient this " debate " toward something a bit more constructive while you strive to keep it somewhat personal, acting like I'm not " good enough " to debate with which makes the situation somewhat ironic since you actually waste time debating about how lousy a " debater " I am.

Go figure! And now I defuse this " debate ".


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