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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: PreparationH]
    #10930338 - 08/24/09 10:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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PreparationH said:

Now, if I have all the equipment, even psilocybin spores,  I'm ok in a raid correct? The only time it is illegal is when the actual fruit is produced right?




conspiracy or intent to manufacture I believe. get rid of all of it, or keep it at a trustworthy friends house.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: dstark]
    #10930544 - 08/24/09 10:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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po0dingles said:
I'm probably walking into a shit storm here but here's the reality and the view point of someone interested in law enforcement:

You're doing drugs on school property. And you think you're SMARTER than an officer who is upholding the law. I don't think HE personally gives a fuck if you're smoking weed or even where you smoke it. But the fact still remains that you're touting as this superior/smart kid in college, yet you fail to realize you have drugs in a school zone. You might as well bend over and spread your butt cheeks, homie. 3-5 Mile radius anywhere on school grounds = hot meat injection in jail. So take a step back and reflect; Who's the idiot here? BTW, cops undergo extensive training and most Dept's don't hire anyone without a college degree.

Also, he doesn't need permission to search you. He has probable cause. It sounds to me like you might have been a smart ass and not the poor, innocent victim you portray yourself to be. Perhaps if you were more respectful and said yes sir/no sir without copping a fuckin attitude he might have even let you go there. I know several cops who have ripped open whole BRICKS of weed and let the guy go after dumping it down a drain. The key is to play nice.

Did he issue you a summons or just entirely let you go?

Police are assholes to strike fear into people to control the situation and to intimidate any criminals so they're less likely to be violent and dishonest. Don't lie, you were scared. We all would be.

If he let you go, you should be kissing the floor. You don't need to get rid of your mushrooms since they don't have enough evidence to prove the picture was taken in your house to obtain a search warrant.

BUT considering on how dumb you've been acting, I would have already expected you to have kept your mushrooms regardless of them having enough probable cause to search your house.

Change the attitude, bro. As much as you hate pigs, you need them to prevent your little sister from being raped, crack/heroin being slung on the block, robbers from B&E your shit and much more. Yeah they're not fun to deal with when you're on the wrong side of the law, but then again Why the Fuck are YOU mad, YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW, DUMMY.

Smoke at your house, don't carry shit on your person. Make better decisions and you won't have anyone harrassing you. Myself included. You can go ahead and flame me if you can't bare to admit you made a few poor choices and need to be vindicated by slamming me back. But that won't change a thing and it definitely won't help you in the future. The only reason I wrote this shit is to open your eyes so you'll learn and you won't get fucked over later on down the road.

Moral of the story: don't be a fucking idiot and use that big, smart college brain of yours. :rolleyes:



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If you break the law and didnt get caught, then why try to fuck the cops?! you know what u did was wrong...


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: dstark]
    #10932599 - 08/25/09 06:19 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe...juuuuust maybe....we could put our hands up when we've fucked up and say, "Ya know what...I fucked up. I made a shitty mistake and it was a poor choice on my part. I wasn't thinking." Owning up, being a man, being responsible. That's something that deserves respect.

But people are defensive these days and they ALWAYS have to be right. And to take it a step further to have the 'i'll show you' attitude is just childish. It shows that you're angry that someone has the upper hand on you and you want to even the score, but the score was already even by him letting you go!

It's OKAY to make mistakes and admit to wrong doing. What the fuck is so horrible about that? To deny making mistakes is to think you're perfect. And after reading your follies with the law, I'm sure no one thinks you are...


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: po0dingles]
    #10943662 - 08/26/09 06:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Poodingles is right.  The cop let you go, he could have been a real dick and arrested you.  Drug free school zones are no joke, zero tolerance and much harsher penalties.  Sure he is going to be a dick and try to scare you a little bit, but he had mercy on your ass.

If he ever pulls you over, show him respect for not ruining your life - because he could have.  If this cop was a real fuck, he would have arrested you.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: po0dingles]
    #10944263 - 08/26/09 08:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, he doesn't need permission to search you. He has probable cause.




What was his justification for probable cause?  i would like to know, especially from someone interested in law enforcement.

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As much as you hate pigs, you need them to prevent your little sister from being raped





Cops don't stop crime, only arrest people and do things after crime happens.  One of my female friends was in an abusive relationship for a long time.  She has a restraining order on her old boyfriend.  He comes by every once in a while.  She calls the cops, but they get there after he leaves, and they simply say, we can't do anything until we catch him breaking the law.  He had just finished breaking the restraining order, and said he is going to be back tonight, cops response, call me when he comes back, if he is here, then we will arrest him.  In the end, no cop is going to stop your sister from being raped, only react to the rape, and possibly make an arrest.

As far as filing a complaint, i was not there so don't know what truly went down, but the way i read it he had no probable cause.  If this really is the case OP, i would definitely file a complaint, since your rights were trampled on..whether he let you go or not, he doesn't have the power to violate your rights, at least not legally.  Now if he did follow all standards and processes and still let you go, i agree with po0dingles, count yourself lucky and just let it go.

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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: supra]
    #10944671 - 08/26/09 09:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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supra said:
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po0dingles said:
Also, he doesn't need permission to search you. He has probable cause.




What was his justification for probable cause?  i would like to know, especially from someone interested in law enforcement.

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As much as you hate pigs, you need them to prevent your little sister from being raped





Cops don't stop crime, only arrest people and do things after crime happens.  One of my female friends was in an abusive relationship for a long time.  She has a restraining order on her old boyfriend.  He comes by every once in a while.  She calls the cops, but they get there after he leaves, and they simply say, we can't do anything until we catch him breaking the law.  He had just finished breaking the restraining order, and said he is going to be back tonight, cops response, call me when he comes back, if he is here, then we will arrest him.  In the end, no cop is going to stop your sister from being raped, only react to the rape, and possibly make an arrest.

As far as filing a complaint, i was not there so don't know what truly went down, but the way i read it he had no probable cause.  If this really is the case OP, i would definitely file a complaint, since your rights were trampled on..whether he let you go or not, he doesn't have the power to violate your rights, at least not legally.  Now if he did follow all standards and processes and still let you go, i agree with po0dingles, count yourself lucky and just let it go.

peace




1) HE WATCHED HIM WALK OFF OF PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT--A SCHOOL NO LESS. Police can pat people down for their own safety. It's not like the kid was minding his own business on a sunny afternoon walking down the sidewalk. He parked his car, at night, next to a school. There's absolutely no reason for his car to be there. So I would say that would be suspicious activity/prowling/tresspassing/driving under the influence... Take your pick!

2) You can't say that police don't prevent crime. There are a ton of factors that you haven't considered.

Police mostly use sirens for high priority situations. Studies are being done to see if they can use sirens more often to deter crime while they're on the way to other locations.

Here's an example: Some asshole, probably preparation h's brother or cousin, is high on meth and is breaking into someone's house. A police car, sirens blaring, races past that house. There's a chance that guy stopped what he was doing and fled the scene. I don't have any evidence to support this, but it makes sense. But of course there's no evidence for crimes prevented because there's no way to measure that.

Police have specific routes they patrol. No they can't stop all crime from happening and YES they're always there AFTER a crime has been commited because that's also their job. File a report and pass it off to detectives. But simply patrolling an area greatly reduces chances of B&E's and Auto burglary/theft. Police presence definitely helps. Let me ask you: when you're flying down the highway doing 80 and you see a state trooper on the side of the road, don't you slam on your brakes? Why? Because you don't want to get caught.

3) The abusive relationship: Unfortunately cops aren't bodyguards. They can't sit out on the stoop of a doorstep and wait for someone to come. They have other shit to do.

The girl who is in the abusive relationship only needs to whip out a video camera and tell the perp to leave the property. Turn the tape over to the cops and now you have physical evidence of a crime being commited.

As for the cops not showing up in time for the rape victim...I can understand and sympathize. But she can use her 2nd ammendment right if she's afraid or know she's in danger:


She doesn't have to answer the door or even open it. Look through a window or peephole and call the cops. If he breaks in, shoot him in the face. Even shoot him while you're on the phone with the cops, yell stop! no! and then blast him. It's all recorded.


4)I'm not convinced his rights were violated. Police are hired to make judgement calls. All the bleeding heart liberals who go overboard about civil rights need to open their eyes and try putting the shoe on the other foot. If this kid was just finishing up breaking into your house and stole your flat screen, wouldn't you want a vigilant cop to cut through all the bullshit and get your shit back? Making too much red tape begins to make MORE problems for protecting the innocent rather than securing their rights. Making cops jump through hoops sucks. My father CAUGHT a burglar in my house robbing us blind. It was a kid who used to house sit for us when we went on vacation. My father came home from work one day and caught the sob in their upstairs bedroom with a bag full of jewelry. He fled. My father fingered him as the guy but BECAUSE OF ALL THE REDTAPE BULLSHIT, THE COPS COULDN'T GO TO THE FAGGOTS HOUSE AND GET OUR SHIT BACK. He got rid of it before the cops could do ANYTHING. Mostly family heirlooms. So who do those anti search laws really protect?

And, by the way, this boy genius who managed to make it into college, something that any D student can accomplish, doesn't even realize a drug charge would probably fuck up his future when he tries to get job. Background checks last a loooooong time.

Why does everyone assume every single cop out there is abusing his or her power? I'd love, just ONCE, for someone to say, ya know what maybe the cop knew wtf he was doing instead of taking the word of some fucking IDIOT and making this into a huge civil rights/police brutality issue. The kid broke several laws. Stop trying to defending him.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: po0dingles]
    #10945815 - 08/27/09 12:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Also they make people afraid of making craime :wink: xd


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: dstark]
    #10946734 - 08/27/09 06:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Agreed. I'm not riding the dicks of cops. I'm just saying don't act like the victim when you've obviously fucked up.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: po0dingles]
    #10955810 - 08/28/09 03:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

po0dingles, I would disagree with you on most of your points, but this thread isn't about your rants.

To the OP... You got fucked and lucky in the same night.  You SHOULD go after that cop, but right now you don't have any sort of a case (in the real world).  You should go after him because he is a piece of shit with no business having a gun or a badge.  He will violate hundreds of people before he's caught, if ever.

Finding the cop is easy, just call the cop shop with the date and time and ask who the cop was.  Many departments have dispatch logs online or publicly available.  If they don't cooperate then file a FOIA form.  Most cop shops are used to these and have them on hand.  It's not difficult.  You can also file a form for the cop cam footage.

If you do this there's a couple ways it can go.  #1 he'll find out and he WILL try to make trouble for you.  Cops beat people up and even kill them all the time with no repercussions to themselves.  Watch the movie training day.  What they do in real life makes that movie look like it should be rated PG-13.

One thing that WILL happen is that your FOIA request gets reviewed.  The cop may then get fired or busted.  OTOH you may well get charged from the footage review.

So if I was your lawyer I would highly advise you to count your blessings and do nothing.  OTOH if you do nothing he gets away, continutes to violate others, and may fuck with you in the future.

One idea we came up with here for recording cops is to get a small sticker saying something like "This area monitored with audio and video sureveilance".  You see those at gas stations all the time and I've never heard of them getting in trouble for recording anything.

Another way to find the cop is wait for shift change.  You'll see all the cops come and go along with what car they're in.  Use his plate number to call and find out his name or badge number.

I know a guy who documented his harrassment for some time.  He came up with many instances of unwarranted pull-overs and threatened to sue the city.  So they tagged his file with something like "lawsuit potentially in progress, advise no contact".  He never got pulled over again.  As soon as they ran his plates they would break off and leave them be.  Cops know that getting caught up in a harrassment suit may cost them their job if the citizen wins.

Anyhow, at least document things and build a case.  If they keep harrassing you or you get something that presents a real case you can then take it further.  If you run down to the copshop demanding back your illegally found and confiscated weed or file a complaint I think you know what will happen.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: fastfred]
    #10956750 - 08/28/09 05:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Agreed. I'm not riding the dicks of cops. I'm just saying don't act like the victim when you've obviously fucked up.




I think you are a narc.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: PreparationH]
    #10961102 - 08/29/09 12:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thats a decision that should be left up to you. but i would get rid of them cuz if he is an asshole and decides 2 fuck u. your fucked


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: fastfred]
    #10961933 - 08/29/09 03:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not familiar with FOIA forms, but then again I've never head of "cop shops" either. FOIA forms will only give you the officer's information but will not be useful as evidence of any sort.

Lets back up a moment here. The kid didn't sustain any type of real abuse other than verbal. I don't think he had a bruse or a cut from the 'banging of the head' part ortherwise he'd be moaning about brutality.

An officer will only get fired/busted after an investigation through internal affairs if the dept. feels its necessary and there's enough of a story to warrant an investigation. Even then, it's hard to tell what will come of it.

I find it humorous if anyone takes what you said seriously. You're now comparing real life to an action movie.

The only way PreparationH can 'catch' the cop is by videotaping the officer doing something illegal or against dept policy. I agree with the documentation and casebuilding.

So here's what you do. Fill your pockets full of weed, fried chicken, watermelon and 40's. Go to a school, maybe this time INSIDE the school, and smoke the place out. Call the cops and have your video camera. You got this man. It's just like in the movies!


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: po0dingles]
    #10967363 - 08/30/09 04:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not familiar with FOIA forms, but then again I've never head of "cop shops" either. FOIA forms will only give you the officer's information but will not be useful as evidence of any sort.




OK, you just need to stop right now.  You don't need to be giving legal advice if you're not familiar with basics like Freedom Of Information Act requests or think that evidence obtained from the government can't be used in a court.

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Lets back up a moment here. The kid didn't sustain any type of real abuse other than verbal.




It always amazes me how much fascist police state bullshit people are willing to put up with.

You're the same ignorant fool that would tell a Jew they've not suffered for "just having to wear a simple star on their shirt".

But if we've learned anything from history it's that we DON'T learn from history and it inevitably repeats it's self.

Maybe you read a different story, but the way I read it the OP suffered harassment, intimidation, verbal, mental, and physical abuse. His civil rights were violated, he was illegally searched, and illegally detained followed by being threatened.  Apparently the cop also stole or attempted to steal his money and did steal his weed.

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An officer will only get fired/busted after an investigation through internal affairs if the dept. feels its necessary and there's enough of a story to warrant an investigation.




Again you show your ignorance and make it sound like everything you know is from TV cop dramas.

Unless you live in a large city there is no internal affairs.  Cops are brought to justice through lawsuits or the prosecutor or police chief settles it.

When you file an FOIA the data you request (at least for cop video) is reviewed by the city attorney or prosecutor.  So if you request something which shows a crime you've placed a video directly on the desk of the prosecutor or city attorney.  From there it can go anywhere.  Plenty of times it will result in charges or disciplinary action.  Often the request will result in them telling you the data is lost or destroyed or the camera wasn't on, etc.  But the cop will "mysteriously" be busted down to a meter maid.

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I find it humorous if anyone takes what you said seriously.




LOL!  I know exactly how the process works and I've filed several FOIAs.  Luckily my local cop shop (aka police station if you don't have a clue) has their own form on hand.  I've had the cop involved get disciplined when they claimed that the camera wasn't on, and I've also had a friend get his charges increased for stupidly requesting tape showing his guilt.  He could have simply pled to the charge but somehow thought the tape would clear him.  Instead the city attorney found a couple more charges they hadn't written up, and normally they don't bother to check the video if they already have a decent case.

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The only way PreparationH can 'catch' the cop is by videotaping the officer doing something illegal or against dept policy.




Fortunately they probably already taped it for him.  They've since certainly lost or destroyed the weed or never turned it in.  So he's home free on that charge.  There's no real downside to getting the tape except it will probably cost around $100.

Even if you simply request it they will prepare it and you might get justice in the process without ever actually having to pay for the copy.  All FOIA requests for cop tapes are reviewed by the city attorney for them to cut out parts they determine violates privacy or some other law for them to release it.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: fastfred]
    #10984688 - 09/02/09 06:06 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Alright fred. No need to get your panties in a twist just because I don't agree with you. That's just silly and doesn't help your argument at all. :shitstorm:

Once again, you're frantically trying to defend someone who already admitted guilt to something really, really dumb. I'm not saying he shouldn't have rights, I'm just saying why are you trying so fucking hard to defend someone who makes such retarded decisions? Let him stick a fork in the socket! HE'LL LEARN!

I'm not sure how you think I'm basing my knowledge on Cop TV shows when you've already made reference to TRAINING DAY. Do you think you're an attorney because you've filled out some FOIFA forms? I never said gov. docs won't convict him in court, I'm just saying it's dumb to even go that far and get that involved for something he already GOT AWAY WITH. There's 2 sides to every coin, and while I've noticed you've made a few good points, your complete refusal to see any thing else is why your arguments don't hold water. Why else would you be so defensive of where I obtained my info from, yet made the assumption that real life is just like something you saw in a movie. Pot: meet black kettle.

I think you're flying way off the handle by calling me a fascist too. Just because I believe a guilty kid deserves to be either fucked with (temporarily) or thrown in jail, doesn't mean I support a police state.

I do, however fully support common sense and intelligence! THINKING before you act and having common sense doesn't require a Juris Doctor or even an "amazing" bachelor's degree either. So fuck what you know (or think you know) about the law.

Also, I'd like to hear how YOU, as an officer of the law, would approach the situation. Don't "cop out" :grin: and say you'd never be in that situation. Using your own logic and reasoning skills, which you've convinced yourself of being an expert at, how would you have handled that exact situation as a cop? Where you KNEW the kid was guilty and you KNEW you could have put him away but chose not to. Perhaps a stern warning? Hmm.

Police use intimidation to control many situations. It's not illegal and it helps ensure safety. I've never had MY head bashed against a car. I've been pulled over countless times, sat with detectives, been interrogated, etc. As long as you're respectful, you won't be harmed. This kid's just a fucking tool and he asked for it.

I wasn't originally trying to disrespect you, I was just simply asking questions and making points that I'm sure many of you don't want to face. What's wrong with that? More importantly, you're going to bash me for it? It's funny that you're overly accomodating a criminal rather than taking the situation at face value. This isn't a civil rights issue, a 9/11 conspiracy, or a rodney king beating. 

Based on the garbage you're spewing, I'm almost certain you're one of those ultra left wing dipshits who would rule in favor of a burglar who broke his leg on someone's footsteps trying to steal a bunch of their shit. Me: I'd rather sit somewhere in the middle. But people like you make me fucking sick.

In the end, you can argue and banter all you want, but you can't polish a turd. :glittershitz:


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: PreparationH]
    #10984720 - 09/02/09 06:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

doesn't sound like a story from a guy that lives in Amsterdam.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: po0dingles]
    #10989842 - 09/02/09 11:09 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

> As long as you're respectful, you won't be harmed.

That simply is not true.  It may be true 99.999% of the time, but it is that 1 in 10000 that bites somebody.  There was a case here not long ago where a naked man swimming in the ocean was shot to death by a cop... he was "approaching the officer in a threatening manner".  Witnesses say that isn't true, that the cop started shooting for no reason.  Cop got off without any charges filed.  One story of many... almost all cops are good, decent people trying to do a difficult job... but there are certainly spoiled apples in the bunch that take advantage of the blue shield and abuse their authority.  They might be rare, but they most certainly do exist...


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: Seuss]
    #10990941 - 09/03/09 05:23 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> As long as you're respectful, you won't be harmed.

That simply is not true.  It may be true 99.999% of the time, but it is that 1 in 10000 that bites somebody.  There was a case here not long ago where a naked man swimming in the ocean was shot to death by a cop... he was "approaching the officer in a threatening manner".  Witnesses say that isn't true, that the cop started shooting for no reason.  Cop got off without any charges filed.  One story of many... almost all cops are good, decent people trying to do a difficult job... but there are certainly spoiled apples in the bunch that take advantage of the blue shield and abuse their authority.  They might be rare, but they most certainly do exist...




Well put and I can fully agree with what you've said. There is some corruption, but definitely not like its seen in movies and TV. Because of potential law suits, departments don't protect their own as vigilantly as they once used to when a couple million dollars is at stake.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: po0dingles]
    #10992176 - 09/03/09 11:55 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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But she can use her 2nd ammendment right if she's afraid or know she's in danger:




nice try, but not everyone lives in a free state. 2nd amendment means nothing in california.


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: danielx]
    #10994438 - 09/03/09 07:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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danielx said:
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po0dingles said:
But she can use her 2nd ammendment right if she's afraid or know she's in danger:




nice try, but not everyone lives in a free state. 2nd amendment means nothing in california.




Lol, you expect me to come up with alternative answers to everyone's "what if?" ?? Fucking move or sew your holes closed. lol


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Re: My run in with the police last night, need advice. [Re: po0dingles]
    #11000813 - 09/04/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

so thats your response to any girl raped in california? Sew yourself up or move to a free state.

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