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Freeganism
    #10894952 - 08/20/09 01:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)



"Freeganism is an anti-consumerist lifestyle whereby people employ alternative living strategies based on "limited participation in the conventional economy and minimal consumption of resources".

I just ran across this term tonight while somehow reading a wiki about dumpster diving. Has anyone heard of this term before?

The wiki article on it is pretty long.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeganism

I agree with some of the environmental and political philosophy.

As far as nomenclature and accuracy goes, I think a lot of the practices and behaviors that fall under the freeganism heading don't necessarily relate or involve each other. Likewise, some of the individuals may engage in one of the categorical activities, but altogether reject the rationality or motivation behind it.

Here is an obvious criticism:
"Moreover, the appeal to 'independence' from industrial capitalist society ignores the ways participants still predispose and make use of institutional structures and so remain politically, ethically and epistemically tied to wider capitalist society".

Thoughts?


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Re: Freeganism [Re: Arden]
    #10894973 - 08/20/09 01:49 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Informative and official-looking website:

http://freegan.info/?page_id=2


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Re: Freeganism [Re: Arden]
    #10895000 - 08/20/09 01:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

so when they are politically right they call it a freegasm.:lol:


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Re: Freeganism [Re: elementswrath]
    #10895500 - 08/20/09 04:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

It seems like a dangerous lifestyle to lead because it could lead to a person being an outcast and that could result in their demise. I don't see anything wrong with dumpster diving every now and then but I don't think that its a good idea for someone to live exclusively off of dumpster dived food.


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Re: Freeganism [Re: Arden]
    #10895506 - 08/20/09 04:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Freeganism in theory is great; but it is a very difficult lifestyle to maintain.

I try to incorporate some of the aspects of it into my everyday life.


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Re: Freeganism [Re: lines]
    #10895533 - 08/20/09 04:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Arden said:
I just ran across this term tonight while somehow reading a wiki about dumpster diving. Has anyone heard of this term before?




Yup, the term's been around some time. I'm rather young and can't remember when I first heard of it; Implying I've "always known it", or at least as long as I can remember existing.

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Here is an obvious criticism:
"Moreover, the appeal to 'independence' from industrial capitalist society ignores the ways participants still predispose and make use of institutional structures and so remain politically, ethically and epistemically tied to wider capitalist society".





To that criticism: Freeganism is more about attacking the faults of the system than the whole system itself. Such faults include high levels of consuming, high levels of waste-producing and so forth. Best improvement is made by showing example.

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It seems like a dangerous lifestyle to lead because it could lead to a person being an outcast and that could result in their demise. I don't see anything wrong with dumpster diving every now and then but I don't think that its a good idea for someone to live exclusively off of dumpster dived food.




Of my friend circles, majority to some degree have a 'freeganist' look to life. It's not outcasting in any way. The kind of people who sport such habits would feel outcasts to begin with, even if they tried to live "normal" and social. So it's better to find honest friends to begin with than dwell in an illusion of socialness, that one knows he can never truly enjoy anyway. Anyway, it's not THAT rare and labelling practice that one wouldn't have his own social circles around it.

Living fully on dumpster dived food is fully plausible. It's only limited by the availibility. I myself don't usually dumpster dive food, unless I happen to otherwise walk by a promising dumpster. Finding the good, unlocked and unsheltered dumpsters is a lot work. The university's student organization I am in once arranged a dumpster diving lesson. Actually got it into the university's budget too: Just guess how pissed off the big bosses were when they found out. :wink:

I think 'freeganism' often, essentially, composes mostly of the selected traditional punk/hippie values. Do-it-yourself, do it environment and human friendly, and step off from the consumer wheel. Nothing new or special in it, just a fancy word to sum up a lifestyle that has been around always.

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Freeganism in theory is great; but it is a very difficult lifestyle to maintain.





True. Usually no ideology is worth taking as an absolute. Always there are some compromises that have to be done.

But freeganism, or communism, or somesuch may all be good goals to have in mind, even if one would never fully reach them.


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Edited by tzaeru (08/20/09 04:31 AM)


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Re: Freeganism [Re: tzaeru]
    #10895548 - 08/20/09 04:40 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

We cant all be perfect but there is certainly no harm in trying.(within reason and so long as trying to be perfect doesn't become an unhealthy obsession)


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Re: Freeganism [Re: Arden]
    #10896674 - 08/20/09 10:50 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Heh, I read a lot about it and then I tried it a couple times and really sucked at it. It wasn't a pleasant activity.

I think its pretty apparent that Freegans reduce demand for production. It seems like they should just be able to work something out with store owners instead of making transactions through the dumpster, but whatever works...


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Re: Freeganism [Re: Epigallo]
    #10897546 - 08/20/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well, technically, often neither the dumpsters nor the stuff that's in them is owned by the store. Usually (at least in Finland, I'd imagine that'd apply to other Western countries as well) the waste management company owns them and they aren't exactlty making a profit out of stuff that mostly is burned or buried.

So I don't really see an issue at all when no one's getting direct profit from the waste.

Though, I wouldn't mind even if the waste management and store did lose money. :smile:


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Re: Freeganism [Re: tzaeru]
    #10898771 - 08/20/09 04:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, technically, often neither the dumpsters nor the stuff that's in them is owned by the store. Usually (at least in Finland, I'd imagine that'd apply to other Western countries as well) the waste management company owns them and they aren't exactlty making a profit out of stuff that mostly is burned or buried.

So I don't really see an issue at all when no one's getting direct profit from the waste.

Though, I wouldn't mind even if the waste management and store did lose money. :smile:




Next you will expect the store and/or the waste management company to provide access ladders to the dumpster no wait handicapped accessible ramps up into then down into the dumpster of course you need hand rails safety first when dumpster diving.

What no place to sleep after you scrounge a free meal off Mr. Man? Shameful.  How about Mr. Man provide some free tents for your sleeping pleasure? One tent to a bum we wouldn't want a roommate to snore you awake...

What no crapper to unload after you wake up?  Mr. Man is being rude once again how about some Porta-Potties?  What they don't smell so good?  It's OK, come on in and use toilet in Mr. Man's  building, in fact that rude sumbitch is putting in some showers so

COME ON DOWN MOOCHERS!!!!


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Re: Freeganism [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #10900553 - 08/20/09 09:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Havent Bought a peice of clothing for 5 years. I have everything I need and more.

I get most of my stuff from hand me downs from my brother and dad. This summer alone - Ive gotten a timberland boots(decent condition), Italian Leather shoes(excellent condition), Vans slip on shoes(almost new when I got them), water shoes(pretty new), a whole dinner set with a nice pot(all i need, i do not cook much, raw food is much to addictive), a brand new lamp from Ikea, a 110 $ baby bottle sterilizer(pricetag still on it and works perfectly), a work out pilates ball, good condition, a scale to weigh things. I also buy from the reduced section at a close grocery store. The major benefits are that for reduced fruits and veggies, produce workers dont discriminate between organic and inorganic, so I pay like 10 times less for organic fruits and veggies.

LAst time I went, I got 18 peices of mixed apples and pears, organic for 3.75. I weighed it out and to buy those from that store at the asking price, would equal about a dollar per peice. I saved 15 dollars that day. This is regular too.

OOO man, I remember one time they packed 3 mangoes(5 dollars actual price) and 6 New Zealand Kiwis(each one is about a dollar each they are specialty kinds) for 1.25. Two packs of those and I saved like 10 - 15 dollars. They were in ripe condition too. If you have a METRO grocery store around you check out that section, the employees are dumbies.


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Re: Freeganism [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #10900747 - 08/20/09 09:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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tzaeru said:
Well, technically, often neither the dumpsters nor the stuff that's in them is owned by the store. Usually (at least in Finland, I'd imagine that'd apply to other Western countries as well) the waste management company owns them and they aren't exactlty making a profit out of stuff that mostly is burned or buried.

So I don't really see an issue at all when no one's getting direct profit from the waste.

Though, I wouldn't mind even if the waste management and store did lose money. :smile:




Next you will expect the store and/or the waste management company to provide access ladders to the dumpster no wait handicapped accessible ramps up into then down into the dumpster of course you need hand rails safety first when dumpster diving.

What no place to sleep after you scrounge a free meal off Mr. Man? Shameful.  How about Mr. Man provide some free tents for your sleeping pleasure? One tent to a bum we wouldn't want a roommate to snore you awake...

What no crapper to unload after you wake up?  Mr. Man is being rude once again how about some Porta-Potties?  What they don't smell so good?  It's OK, come on in and use toilet in Mr. Man's  building, in fact that rude sumbitch is putting in some showers so

COME ON DOWN MOOCHERS!!!!




I'm not sure if that's sarcasm, but in case it's not - No, I only expect that I can take what others threw away. That's not asking for anything, or wanting for any services. It's just taking what's no longer use to anyone else.


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Re: Freeganism [Re: tzaeru]
    #10903149 - 08/21/09 08:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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tzaeru said:
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tzaeru said:
Well, technically, often neither the dumpsters nor the stuff that's in them is owned by the store. Usually (at least in Finland, I'd imagine that'd apply to other Western countries as well) the waste management company owns them and they aren't exactlty making a profit out of stuff that mostly is burned or buried.

So I don't really see an issue at all when no one's getting direct profit from the waste.

Though, I wouldn't mind even if the waste management and store did lose money. :smile:




Next you will expect the store and/or the waste management company to provide access ladders to the dumpster no wait handicapped accessible ramps up into then down into the dumpster of course you need hand rails safety first when dumpster diving.

What no place to sleep after you scrounge a free meal off Mr. Man? Shameful.  How about Mr. Man provide some free tents for your sleeping pleasure? One tent to a bum we wouldn't want a roommate to snore you awake...

What no crapper to unload after you wake up?  Mr. Man is being rude once again how about some Porta-Potties?  What they don't smell so good?  It's OK, come on in and use toilet in Mr. Man's  building, in fact that rude sumbitch is putting in some showers so

COME ON DOWN MOOCHERS!!!!




I'm not sure if that's sarcasm, but in case it's not - No, I only expect that I can take what others threw away. That's not asking for anything, or wanting for any services. It's just taking what's no longer use to anyone else.




See what I mean, you "EXPECT that you can take what others threw away".  Well maybe the land owner who pays taxes on said land and pays the garbage bill doesn't care if you open his dumpster, climb in there and grab some thrown away food.  OR maybe he doesn't like trespassers and particularly bums who open up his dumpster take what they want leave some trash on the ground and then don't close the lid back up so the flies and yellow jackets have a field day and the wind blows the loose trash out of the dumpster.  Of course the dumpster diver doesn't view said trespass and creating a mess as such, because "that's not asking for anything, or wanting for any services.  It's just taking what's no longer use to anyone else."  NO, it's trespassing and being a nuisance. 

The other factor with all the identity thefts is that I for one don't want somebody routing around in my garbage for anything whether it's food matters not because if they get the right document from your trash they can use that against you.

What I find interesting is just how lazy the dumpster diver is.  Wouldn't it be smarter to go to the proprietor and say look man could you please bag up any leftover food and when can I pick it up?  Leave it alongside the dumpster for instance.  Then if he says yes he feels good you get food and it hasn't been laying around in some filthy dumpster for hours.  Of course the proprietor could always say no but that's their prerogative.

AS for the general idea of freeganism, it sounds great and very practical in today's world.  People for the most part have WAY too much stuff and you almost can't give them things because most people have no place to store it.  Or they already have a separate storage unit to house the stuff they never use and pay $80 a month for the privilege.  So garage sales and thrift shops end up being great bargains for barely used stuff.

Food is so cheap in this country it is unreal and can be gotten even cheaper at Grocery Outlet or the Dollar Store let alone dumpster diving.  Where I live in the PNW there is a ton of fruit rotting at the growers or canners or on people's trees begging to be picked with their blessing so the stuff doesn't rot on the ground.  A British guy I know made millions buying excess fruit from growers cheap and making juice and later got bought out by Pepsi he had so much business.

What can be expensive is shelter, transportation and health care.


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