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OfflineGoBlue!
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Is evolution still being debated???
    #1089148 - 11/26/02 11:59 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

I was just reading a few other threads where people actually debated whether or not evolution was fact or fiction.  I realize there are a lot of things on these boards that cannot be proven, but evolution is about as certain as the world not being flat.  The evidence is overwhelming (from fossils to variations in species based on their environmental conditions).

Anyway, I was just wondering if this was something that was still commonly debated?  I didn't realize it was.  (Remember, the Big Bang theory is not the same thing as evolution, although evolution is necessary piece of the Big Bang theory).  :crazy: 


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1089360 - 11/27/02 01:28 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

actually, there is overwhelming evidence in almost all theories... i think we exist simply because we think we do....


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1089378 - 11/27/02 01:43 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

As a programmer, I have developed sophisiticated genetic algorithms so I understand the power of random mutation and cross-breeding.

However, there are some very large pieces of the evolutionary puzzle missing. Many here may be surprised that I question the theory - not that it happens, but the pressure that drives it.

It would take too long to go into at this time.


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Edited by Swami (11/27/02 04:01 AM)


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1089496 - 11/27/02 02:27 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

yeah but that rock still exists, and it doesn't think it does.


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1089566 - 11/27/02 02:45 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

It exists because rommstein thinks it does. And so do you...


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Xibalba]
    #1089588 - 11/27/02 02:55 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Evolution?

I can transform myself in an instant into another totally different life form and back again without eaven noticing before I begin to say anything.

What is Evolution?

(don't answer)


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1089610 - 11/27/02 03:00 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Well, like any theory, evolution cannot be proven 100%.

There's a shitload of evidence to back it up. The only alternative theory that I've heard is "a magical man in the sky made us appear out of nowhere".

These morons tell us "evolution is only a theory". Try and use this against their idea, and you're told that what they believe in is absolutely true. How do they know? Well, they feel it. Also they know because they know. If they know it's true, then it's true. Why? They KNOW.

Another funny thing is when these people accuse logical thinkers of circular or dogmatic thinking. Why are they against these things? They are the very foundation of their position.


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Phluck]
    #1089617 - 11/27/02 03:02 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Talky talky talky........no more talky.

A teacher to his pupil-

"Don't talk it- draw it!"


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1089668 - 11/27/02 03:17 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Yes Master  :grin: 


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Murex]
    #1089738 - 11/27/02 03:46 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

what if its a speech class?


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Phluck]
    #1089781 - 11/27/02 04:03 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

The only alternative theory that I've heard is "a magical man in the sky made us appear out of nowhere".

It is funny that when I questioned many of the tenets of Neo-Darwinism on one board, I was instantly branded as a Creationist. Most here that know me would find that laughable.

My point is that is that those are not the only options. It is not a matter of choosing Darwin or God.



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Edited by Swami (11/27/02 04:19 AM)


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Swami]
    #1089791 - 11/27/02 04:08 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Words are for the unevolved.

I'm shutting up now.


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1089795 - 11/27/02 04:09 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Of course evolution exists, all things evolve.

But that doesn't mean they weren't created first.

I believe in Creation and Evolution simultaneously.


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1089809 - 11/27/02 04:14 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

I believe in Creation and Evolution simultaneously.

That's okay, i believe in free will and determinism simultaneously.....(pls don't ask me to explain right NOW) :grin: 


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1089820 - 11/27/02 04:22 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

explain that for us in a few minutes, will you? you mean like a free-willed-rat-in-a-maze kinda thing?

The maze holds back its free-will, but the free-will is still there; only limited to certain things? Its determined that the rat will get through, but as to how or how long it will take, or which way it will take or whatever..... its up to the rat.


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Edited by Strumpling (11/27/02 04:23 AM)


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1089828 - 11/27/02 04:28 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Hey Strumpling :smile: i will explain, (i fully understand the 2 concepts seem incongrous) only not right at this minute, i'm tired and need sleep(it's almost 5:00 am here) have a GR8 night :wink: 


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #1089832 - 11/27/02 04:29 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

ok man goodnight :smile:


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1090671 - 11/27/02 11:57 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Although I personally don't believe in creationism, I couldn't agree more with the fact that it's possible for both to exist simultaneously. That's why I made clear to distinguish Big Bang from evolution. Few argue with evolution, but many still argue how things came into existance in the 1st place.


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1090682 - 11/27/02 12:03 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

"there is overwhelming evidence in almost all theories"

That's true, except for the theories about God, the soul, the afterlife, etc...

"i think we exist simply because we think we do"

I would agree with you that that IS overwhelming evidence (how could we think if we didn't exist?)


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Re: Is evolution still being debated??? [Re: Swami]
    #1090697 - 11/27/02 12:12 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

"It would take too long to go into at this time."

I'd really interested to learn about the missing links.  I don't argue that they exist because you've proven to me that you're a pretty smart, knowledgeable guy from your other posts.  But how about a short description of what they are if not a detailed explanation?  Any good web links???  :grin: 


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