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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #10891352 - 08/19/09 05:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe in Iraq and places like that. We arent 3rd world.. and neither are the places with low ass crime rates.




I read your little remark about how great it is in the UK where cops have no guns.  There's a good reason the British don't have guns, have you been there?  I assure you, a bunch of little hippy-boys with flower shirts are not going to get far walking on a Liverpool backstreet at 4am.  That place is rife with violence and police brutality, and it rarely makes the news.  IME the cops there are more likely to beat your ass than in the US.

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: UpSwell]
    #10891431 - 08/19/09 05:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

In my state there is a law called capitol punishment.

Said law allows a parent to beat the living hell of out his or her child and get away with it as long as the child can still do daily functions like walk and write.

This means black eyes and bruises are totally fine.


Why wernt the old men arrested for "sexting"?

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: UpSwell]
    #10891437 - 08/19/09 05:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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The fact is this society has put both cops and parents in an impossible situation.  Take a little slut, sending pictures of her pussy to old men and beating on her mom, and expect her parents to control that.  Then if the parents attempt to control it (grap her, and hold her down or lock her in her room) you scream child abuse.




Had the parents made the girl mind when she was 2
they wouldn't be having this problem now


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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: UpSwell]
    #10891464 - 08/19/09 05:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's crazy that some police don't have guns.

Our police have guns over here in Australia but I've NEVER once seen it come out of a holster, I've never been at gunpoint ever. Just because they have guns doesn't mean they will point them at you.

They travel in groups and just jump on you, no tasers needed.

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #10891478 - 08/19/09 05:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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In my state there is a law called capitol punishment.

Said law allows a parent to beat the living hell of out his or her child and get away with it as long as the child can still do daily functions like walk and write.

This means black eyes and bruises are totally fine.


Why wernt the old men arrested for "sexting"?

:mikemcdonald:




You're extremely confused and probably high, most likely all the time.  Some can handle it and some can't.

1)  Capital Punishment is a term used to describe the state's power to put to death some people who committed certain crimes.  (I'm against it BTW.)  You are likely thinking of 'corporal punishment', which is a term used to describe spanking or paddling.

2)  There are no laws in any state in the United States which allow marks or physical evidence of punishment to remain on the child after 'corporal punishment'.  Bruises or lacerations are evidence of child abuse.

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Re: 14 y/o tasered in the head. [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #10891480 - 08/19/09 05:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

what i don't understand is how she ended up with the staples and stitches, was it the taser or did she hit her head on the way down or what?


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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: Chubba]
    #10891488 - 08/19/09 05:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it's crazy that some police don't have guns.

Our police have guns over here in Australia but I've NEVER once seen it come out of a holster, I've never been at gunpoint ever. Just because they have guns doesn't mean they will point them at you.

They travel in groups and just jump on you, no tasers needed.




I've never been at gunpoint either, very very few people ever have been.  The percentage of American cops who EVER draw their firearm in the line of duty is very small.  You wouldn't think that from our press, but it's true.

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Re: 14 y/o tasered in the head. [Re: bear jesus]
    #10891491 - 08/19/09 05:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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what i don't understand is how she ended up with the staples and stitches, was it the taser or did she hit her head on the way down or what?




I'm guessing she hit her head after being tazered.


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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: UpSwell]
    #10891520 - 08/19/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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I've never been at gunpoint either, very very few people ever have been.  The percentage of American cops who EVER draw their firearm in the line of duty is very small.  You wouldn't think that from our press, but it's true.




I've have 21 seasons of COPS, seen over 1000 episodes.

Every single fucker pulls his gun at any opportunity.

Do they just go around filming the crazy fuckers or something?

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: Chubba]
    #10891532 - 08/19/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I live in the ghetto and I always see them pulling out their guns
I was searched and placed under detention for standing on the st corner at noon :smirk:


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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: niteowl]
    #10891548 - 08/19/09 05:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Had the parents made the girl mind when she was 2
they wouldn't be having this problem now




That's untrue.  I know plenty of families that have mostly good children with one 'bad' kid (actually just out of control and raging on hormones.)  The kids were all raised the same.  Sometimes it just happens due to genetics, hormones, chemical imbalances. 

There is also the fact that this society has become overwhelmingly permissive to juvenille antics, especially as committed by females.  Most girls today are raised in a society which tells them they are always the victim, their feelings are always right, and they have the right to be as violent or nasty as they feel like just because they're girls.

I'm not saying 'bad parenting' can't be a contributing factor, but a lot of that 'bad parenting' comes from a society that teaches that all physical discipline is bad and needs to be eradicated.  Based on the belief that just 'talking it out' or 'expressing your feelings' will solve all problems.  Well, they don't, and that's why we have cops.

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: Chubba]
    #10891571 - 08/19/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Do they just go around filming the crazy fuckers or something?




Yes, that's exactly what they do.  Film in high-crime areas during high-crime times.  It's a TV show that depends on ratings for advertising money.  Do you think they're going to sit on the side of the road with a state trooper and watch him writing traffic tickets?

If you watch Cops, CSI, Law and Order, and the major media news, you'd think the US was a land of disorder and full of thugs and meth junkies.  Which is precisely what most foreigners think of the US.  It's on the TV so it must be true.

Most of the people shown on Cops deserve their ass beat.

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: Tri High]
    #10891783 - 08/19/09 06:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

fuck the police


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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: sublimecrime]
    #10891845 - 08/19/09 06:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

oh yeah my bad I was high. Corporal punishment. I was told when I was 17 but a cops sitting in my bedroom that my parents can do what every they want because of that law. This goes far beyond spanking or "paddling"


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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: P2K1]
    #10891870 - 08/19/09 06:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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If the police didnt exist and no one took their place but everything else was exactly the same, do you think there would be more crime or less crime?





for a short period there would be more crime if the police just vanished
but it wouldnt be long before the crime would be under control by the citizens

if the laws were all repealed, there would be no crime because you need
laws in order for a crime to take place, that's a concept that you wont get

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10891886 - 08/19/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Whats stopping the local crackhead from breaking into my house? Nothing except the threat that in 5-10 minutes an armed police officer that is allowed to defend himself and use lethal force will turn up.

What's the difference between a police officer with a gun and the right to use it and a citizen with the gun and right to use it?

I think in the later case crime is reduced... its like a crackhead breaking into a police officers house, who the hell would do that to start with? That's just stupid.

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #10891941 - 08/19/09 06:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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if the laws were all repealed, there would be no crime because you need
laws in order for a crime to take place, that's a concept that you wont get




You're too smart to make this argument.  In fact, some things are crimes whether a law is written or not.  Killing someone is a crime, the concept is deeper than a modern code of laws or even modern religions.  Rape is a crime, taking the fruits of someone else's labor is a crime.

Other laws are in effect to promote order.  As odious as this sounds it's the foundation of the society we all enjoy.  I agree most drug laws are unjust and misguided.  But having people stop at red lights and not go 75mph in a residential area are ideas I am fully behind.

There are people who make their living taking from other people.  They organize in groups and are armed.  No matter how well armed you are you can't fight off 15 people who will harass you night and day until you capitulate to their demands.  There is also no accouting for people who will simply pull a gun out and wax your ass on a deserted street corner.  You also can't gaurd your possessions all the time because you have to work (unless you're rich).

Without a professional force of people who are charged with certain powers to enforce the law, all of those things will go unpunished.  No brigade of armed citizens is going to stop thuggery.

Vigilante groups commit atrocities and enforce tyranny, and that is a hallmark of third-world nations like we see in East Africa and South America.  Columbian Death Squads and Somali WarLords or the police.  Take your pick.  Luckily for me and 95% of the voting citizens in this nation, we pick the police.

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: UpSwell]
    #10891955 - 08/19/09 06:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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oh, and lets not forget... they take reports for crimes committed since
they dont actually prevent crime like they claim




I don't want police 'preventing' crime and neither do you.  That is a political schtick used by ambitiout police chiefs and elected officials.  This is America, the police are there to enforce laws not prevent crime.

What you're saying is a perfect example of what cops have to deal with.

#1 When the cops try to do something to help people (help prevent an obviously out-of-control pubescent girl hell-bent on self-destruction,) then you castigate them and scream bloody murder.

#2 When the cops aren't there standing in your yard when someone breaks in while you are at work, you castigate them and scream bloody murder.




#1 to the contrary, had the cop simply chased the girl down and detained
her, this wold be a non issue, instead he put her in mortal danger
through the use of a dangerous 'non-lethal' weapon that was capable of
penetrating her skull

#2 after the 5th 'incident' at my home when I tried to point out the evidence to the cops whom were only interested in taking a report I told the fucker to just get the fuck off my property that I'd deal with the problems myself from now on, when I found my tools and camera equipment in pawn shops and made inquiries to the police, they still did nothing

the last incident I had here involved me putting 5 men face down in the
middle of the street waiting for the cops to deal with them, I've never
had a single problem after that, the cops never even came up my driveway
to tell me about the noise complaints, the sit at the bottom of my drive
and blow the horn and wait, if I dont answer they simply leave, I did
manage to get one once because some friends were returning on a 4
wheeler from another part of the property

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The fact is this society has put both cops and parents in an impossible situation.  Take a little slut, sending pictures of her pussy to old men and beating on her mom, and expect her parents to control that.  Then if the parents attempt to control it (grap her, and hold her down or lock her in her room) you scream child abuse.




cops put themselve in that position by adopting the "Us vs. Them"
attitude about everyone, to them, everyone is a criminal, regarding the
child abuse, my brother was told by a judge that if he didnt spank his
kids he viewed that as child abuse and imposing a burden on society,
when I was asked by a DFCS case worker after being accused of child
abuse if I spank my kids, I said yes and there's nothing that will stop
me from doing so as a means of discipline, I still have custody of my
kids, no charges have ever been filed against me and within a month the
case they were investigating was dropped

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And now that all of the normal power structures that keep out-of-control people in place have been compromised because of constant bitching, you bitch and moan more.  Nice solution.




the 'power' is what's out of control, the cops, the government
employees, the 'protective services', they do as they please with
impunity, without people bitching the message doesnt get out and the
issues become more serious, seem some people overlook the obvious

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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: UpSwell]
    #10891963 - 08/19/09 06:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

How about this...

You install a security system and if someone breaks in, about 5 armed people come to your house to restore order.

Sounds like the cops... but its not a fucking super power. YOU get to pick who you want looking after your stuff.

Well whats to stop them from robbing you?

How about the fact they make more money ACTUALLY serving you.

Cops make more money the more people they bust...not help


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Re: 14 y/o tazered in the head. [Re: legallyhomeless]
    #10891972 - 08/19/09 06:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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How about this...

You install a security system and if someone breaks in, about 5 armed people come to your house to restore order.




How about this, someone breaks in and you're armed already.

Not only that, but all your neighbours are armed and walk 5 seconds to your house.

Would you go to that neighbourhood and try and steal shit?

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