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Triptonic
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Citric]
#10893705 - 08/19/09 10:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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So what do you think the final weight will be.
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Triptonic]
#10893713 - 08/19/09 10:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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triptonic said: So what do you think the final weight will be.
I don't wanna count my chickens before they hatch =)
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Triptonic
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Citric]
#10893725 - 08/19/09 10:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ha ha alright. I will wait
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Triptonic]
#10897617 - 08/20/09 01:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Updated with the harvest pictures.
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: dr_gonz]
#10897695 - 08/20/09 01:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fawking ran out of room. My friend(Where this is at), whom I gave everything to years ago. He lost all of my extra trays for my dehydrator(Probably cause the idiot could never even grow a pin). So in the last picture that is all of them except the trays pack filled.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Citric]
#10902032 - 08/21/09 01:05 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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grow, amazing results!
Citric, do you think it would be impossible to achieve the same pinset if I were to use PF Cakes instead of WBS? I had poor pinsets for the later part of my first bulk grow and I think this is due to lack of FAE, low RH, and high temps (everything dried up). My first flush from my trays was great, but nothing like yours, but I think my pinset would have been better with direct overhead light and a humidifier. It looks like you spray down those tubs, sorry if I missed that.
Basically, can I use PF cakes and place it into near perfect fruiting conditions and achieve a pinset like yours?
Thanks.
Edit:
A picture of my first flush from one of the bulk trays. 1:3 ratio of spawn (PF Cakes) to manure (Bovung):
Not a bad pinset, but nothing like yours. But it was in the following chamber, in the background, with the two long tubs placed on top of each other in the center of the pic:
Now if that had been completely see through (yes, there was duct tape around the trays, ), hooked up to a humidifier, had plenty of small holes (and maybe a couple 1 inchers stuffed with polyfill?), and had a direct daylight spectrum light source would I get the same pinsets? rH would be at 99%, There would be enough FAE, and light to trigger pinning, right?
help me, master ...
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: m00nshine]
#10902059 - 08/21/09 01:11 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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m00nshine said: grow, amazing results!
Citric, do you think it would be impossible to achieve the same pinset if I were to use PF Cakes instead of WBS? I had poor pinsets for the later part of my first bulk grow and I think this is due to lack of FAE, low RH, and high temps (everything dried up). My first flush from my trays was great, but nothing like yours, but I think my pinset would have been better with direct overhead light and a humidifier. It looks like you spray down those tubs, sorry if I missed that.
Basically, can I use PF cakes and place it into near perfect fruiting conditions and achieve a pinset like yours?
Thanks.
Short answer to BRF cake question, no.
WBS is king when it comes to spawning to bulk IMO. It provides a shit ton of inoculation points which spreads the colonization out evenly, and fast as well.
No, no misting was done at all other then when I spawned.
To fix your FAE issue, polyfil your holes, and throw a fan right next to them on low, and set it to oscillate.
RH should not be an issue at all if you mix your substrate correctly.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Citric]
#10902113 - 08/21/09 01:23 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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RH should not be an issue at all if you mix your substrate correctly.
Even in a closet at 95 degrees? The one tub I do have that nearly fits the current monotub standards is my clear one, and I have to mist that on occasion because it dries out. When I had it at 75-80 degrees it seemed to be dripping with moisture.
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: m00nshine]
#10902171 - 08/21/09 01:41 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Citric said:
RH should not be an issue at all if you mix your substrate correctly.
Even in a closet at 95 degrees? The one tub I do have that nearly fits the current monotub standards is my clear one, and I have to mist that on occasion because it dries out. When I had it at 75-80 degrees it seemed to be dripping with moisture.
Oh yea, sorry it's been a long ass day.
You don't want to fruit in those temps anyways, that is WAY to high. I make my friend keep his air conditioner running. Monotubs are bulk grows, and bulk grows produce their own heat. Fruiting is best from my experience 70-73. So, if the ambient air is 70, inside that tub is probably above 75. I prefer the outside temp to get under 70 when doing bulk. If you are at 95, I cannot imagine how hot it is inside your tubs!
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Citric]
#10902193 - 08/21/09 01:49 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know, all I can say is that I'm affected by the same paranoia you have, if you catch my drift. So, I can't cool it, there's no way. I'm just going to have to be happy with the results I've had so far, which haven't been bad. 6+ ounces, who knows? I maxed out my scale.
So, all the junk RR says about BRF being the most nutricious sub we use must be bull if you cant get a great pinset from spawning with it. It seems that grains: rye, WBS, millet, popcorn, etc. is the way to go. If more mushrooms arise, it must mean that the WBS is just better, period. So, really, no way to get a pinset like this with PF Cakes? Sucks. I feel like I've been wasting my time
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: m00nshine]
#10902222 - 08/21/09 01:59 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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m00nshine said: I know, all I can say is that I'm affected by the same paranoia you have, if you catch my drift. So, I can't cool it, there's no way. I'm just going to have to be happy with the results I've had so far, which haven't been bad. 6+ ounces, who knows? I maxed out my scale.
So, all the junk RR says about BRF being the most nutricious sub we use must be bull if you cant get a great pinset from spawning with it. It seems that grains: rye, WBS, millet, popcorn, etc. is the way to go. If more mushrooms arise, it must mean that the WBS is just better, period. So, really, no way to get a pinset like this with PF Cakes? Sucks. I feel like I've been wasting my time
I have already said that BRF was bullshit and the weakest source we use. Substitute the BRF for Rye flour cakes and the results speak for themselves. Not only yield wise, but potency as well.
I am sure you could achieve a good pinset with BRF. However, BRF sucks for spawning. WBS is king of bulk spawning!
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Triptonic
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Citric]
#10902257 - 08/21/09 02:12 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Agreed man, I have seen lots of grows with BRF cakes. Crumbled or not crumbled they just dont seem to produce as much as grains. Thats why on my first grow I cased some rye instead of using BRF and my first pinset looked like this.
Needless to say it didnt perform well because I was a noob and only had like an inch of straight cased rye . Wish I would have spawned to Coir. Also I think the reason WBS is good is because it gives the mycelium diversity in what they eat instead of just Brown Rice Flour. Wouldnt you be happier if you had different things to eat instead of the same thing every day?
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: dr_gonz]
#10903806 - 08/21/09 11:34 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I remember correctly, he said a temp drop isn't necessary for cubes. How I interpret that is dunking in the fridge, which use to be used years ago as a cold shock for pinning.
Fruiting in anything over 75 is not ideal nor optimal, and you are just hindering yourself. Save 80 for colonizing your jars, and 70 for fruiting.
As for "tropical cubensis strains", lol, I can't even take that serious and laugh every time I see it. Cubes a cube.
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: dr_gonz]
#10904531 - 08/21/09 01:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said: what if a person cant get the temps that low?
Guess you'd have to deal with it =(
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Citric]
#10904566 - 08/21/09 01:38 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you're on point you think about that on day 1. I knew what was going to happen to me, but it was the only way it could be done. I always shoot for 75-79 colonizing temps and 75 for fruiting. This is for PF Tek -> 50/50 casing or PF Tek -> Bulk sub
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Citric
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: m00nshine]
#10906895 - 08/21/09 06:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dry weight from the first tub: 6 1/2 oz
-------------------- Self Healing lid tek ** Update 10.17.17 ** Mini casing pictures: Pins to harvest Cup O' Shrooms Magash: I noticed my contams were in the shape of fingers Hyphae: Yes "Loss of moisture from the substrate" is not a casing trigger. My final Grow!
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Re: Orissa India Multispore > Grain LC > WBS > Coir/verm [Re: Citric]
#10909289 - 08/22/09 12:45 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice, how has it done compared to the others?
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