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 thelaughingman
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 Mushroom Pronunciations 
#10883547 - 08/18/09 03:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is the only place i could think of to post this but if you think its wrong than go ahead and move it. But i was just wondering about the pronunciations of some mushrooms. I think maybe we should have a thread or something where you can get a pronunciation for words, maybe have some of you trusted identifiers make sound clips of the names of them.
Just an idea. But can someone help me with a few names real quick.
Like, pan cinctulus, is that "sink-chew-luss" or "kink-chew-luss" or what lol. Id rather just call um subbs (which is "Subb-all-teet-us" ?)
Oh and what about Panaeolus "Pan-aye-less" or is it "Pan-uh-less" or "pan-yuh-less" or somethin like that lol. Sorry, i just want to really know what im saying lol.
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thelaughingman said:
This is the only place i could think of to post this but if you think its wrong than go ahead and move it. But i was just wondering about the pronunciations of some mushrooms. I thi"nk mabye we should have a thread or something where you can get a pronunciation for words, maybe have some of you trusted identifiers make sound clips of the names of them.
Just an idea. But can someone help me with a few names real quick.
Like, pan cinctulus, is that "sink-chew-luss" or "kink-chew-luss" or what lol. Id rather just call um subbs (which is "Subb-all-teet-us" ?)
Oh and what about Panaeolus "Pan-aye-less" or is it "Pan-uh-less" or "pan-yuh-less" or somethin like that lol. Sorry, i just want to really know what im saying lol.
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I'm not 100% sure if it's there anymore, but Mr. Mushrooms had a good link to his (I think) list of mushrooms and their pronunciation. Or maybe it was Alan? Hmmm
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thelaughingman
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Agent 47]
#10883669 - 08/18/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Really, i though maybe there was already one but i searched it and didnt get it. Ile try to find it, thanks man.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Agent 47]
#10883679 - 08/18/09 03:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If it follows basic Latin pronunciation (which it should but doesn't always because no one knows Latin anymore...I have the same gripe with Greek, but that's also because I'm Greek, Latin is pronounced basically like Greek (ae in Latin is ai in Greek), Greek's still a living language, Greek's better than everything else, etc.) it should be pretty simple. 'ae' is a long a sound, so Panaeolus should be something like pan-ey-oh-luss. Scientific Latin (and Greek) is basically retarded anyways, since most of the time names are an attempt to fit a non-Latin name into Latin, which works almost as badly as it does into Greek.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: kydelic]
#10883711 - 08/18/09 03:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm, so puh nay oh less, i figured if you said it fast you would kind of smudge all that together and say pan aye less. Thanks bro.
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 ShockValue
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Ok, who had that directory of a bunch of different mushroom pronunciations actually in wave format to hear? I know I'vre run into that in the past -
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: ShockValue]
#10885687 - 08/18/09 08:32 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hmm that would be cool. Anyone remember that one?
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: ShockValue]
#10885719 - 08/18/09 08:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, who had that directory of a bunch of different mushroom pronunciations actually in wave format to hear? I know I'vre run into that in the past -
I did. Look up my profile, then main threads. I'll do it too.
*edit It's called You don't say?
It's bullshit to say there isn't any proper way to pronounce mushroom names when they sell correct pronunciation books for plants.
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Awesome man, thanks a lot.
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There are proper and improper pronunciations, I guess, but even among respected mycologists, there is a variety of pronunciations used.
I remember talking to Tom Volk about the issue once and he said something along the lines of "Depending on what part of the world I am in I might pronounce things differently, like "Am-uh-night-uh" if I am in the US, and "Am-uh-neat-uh" if I am in the UK." He explained that if he used the less popularly accepted pronunciation in either of the regions that the resident mycologists would critique him, haha.
Panaeolus - "Pan-aye-ole-us"
subbalteatus - "sub-alt-ee-ate-us" or "sub-alt-ee-ott-us"
cinctulus - "sink-too-luss" or "sink-tuh-luss"
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: CureCat]
#10886841 - 08/18/09 11:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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even from the standpoint of latin language there is great contention about what pronunciations are deemed proper. i try, for my part, but i frequently mispronounce things out of laziness [cure will attest this]. i ultimately respect any concerted attempt.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: CureCat]
#12417272 - 04/18/10 09:04 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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Alright guys, this is too common of a mushroom for me to not be able to pronounce it. So how do you guys prefer to say it? Coprinus micaceus?
My-kay-see-us? My-kak-ee-us? My-say-see-us?
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CureCat said: "Am-uh-night-uh" if I am in the US, and "Am-uh-neat-uh" if I am in the UK."
I know you posted that a long time ago but I never saw it, thats weird because I'm in America and I always thought it was Am-uh-neat-uh.
I've never even thought about pronouncing it Am-uh-nite-uh.
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I say My-kay-see-us and Am-uh-neat-uh.
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coh pree nus
my kay shus
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: ShockValue]
#12417422 - 04/18/10 09:34 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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Co-pri-nell-us.....
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: ShockValue]
#12417431 - 04/18/10 09:37 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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subaeruginosa "soob-aer-o-gee-NOH-sa" or "soo-bye-roo-gin-ohsa"
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ShockValue
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Quote:
Twiztidsage said:
Co-pri-nell-us.....
:P (pronounced mn-uh)
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: ShockValue]
#12417493 - 04/18/10 09:48 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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Twiztidsage said:
I say My-kay-see-us and Am-uh-neat-uh.
i say am-uh-neat-uh as well .
what about stuntzii? i know now that its pronounced stunt-zee-i but for years and years we always said stunt-zee and its hard to break that shit.
2 that bug me when i try to say them are caerulescens which for some reason in my head somes out cure-roo-less-ens and caerulipes which i think in my head as cure-oo-lipes. i must be wrong.
and another fucked one is hoogshagenii, i think h-oo-g-shag-en-ee-i.
even just the word psilocybe. i have pronounced si-lo-sibe since i was 13 and now i am 30 and find out its fuckin si-loss-so-bee. i think that way sounds kinda gay .
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: CureCat]
#12418002 - 04/18/10 11:20 PM (14 years, 1 day ago) |
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CureCat said:
Panaeolus - "Pan-aye-ole-us"
subbalteatus - "sub-alt-ee-ate-us" or "sub-alt-ee-ott-us"
cinctulus - "sink-too-luss" or "sink-tuh-luss"
I won't argue the other ones, but cinctulus would probably be pronounced with a K sound. Kinc- tul- us.
Er, i now i realize i responded to a 7 month old post, sorry. 
Edited by caphillkid (04/18/10 11:21 PM)
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thelaughingman
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Twiztidsage said:
I say My-kay-see-us and Am-uh-neat-uh.
Alright yeah thats how I say those too.
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psylosymonreturns said:
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Twiztidsage said:
I say My-kay-see-us and Am-uh-neat-uh.
i say am-uh-neat-uh as well .
what about stuntzii? i know now that its pronounced stunt-zee-i but for years and years we always said stunt-zee and its hard to break that shit.
2 that bug me when i try to say them are caerulescens which for some reason in my head somes out cure-roo-less-ens and caerulipes which i think in my head as cure-oo-lipes. i must be wrong.
and another fucked one is hoogshagenii, i think h-oo-g-shag-en-ee-i.
even just the word psilocybe. i have pronounced si-lo-sibe since i was 13 and now i am 30 and find out its fuckin si-loss-so-bee. i think that way sounds kinda gay .
I used to say stunzee but I broke it and started calling it stunt-zee-I, and psilocybe I still just say sigh-lo-sibe.
Lol and those other ones I read the exact same way.
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micaceus: my-ka-see-us
amanita : ah-mah-neh-ta
plural amanitae ah-mah-neh-tie
stuntzii however the dude pronounces his name plus the long "I" sound. Not sure why he chose two "i"s instead of one.
psilocybe sigh-low-sigh-bay (the final "e" is not silent)
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: caphillkid]
#12429848 - 04/21/10 12:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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"ii" as a species suffix means that the mushroom is named after that person.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12430618 - 04/21/10 07:58 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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i was wondering what that meant.i knew stuntzii were named after daniel stuntz and weillii wereafter andrew weil. who's the unlucky person named hoogshagen? 
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12431751 - 04/21/10 12:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Twiztidsage said:
"ii" as a species suffix means that the mushroom is named after that person.
Yes, but I don't understand why. Double i is not part of any of the regular declensions of Latin. I wonder why that became the norm.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: caphillkid]
#12431900 - 04/21/10 12:51 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry, when you said this:
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stuntzii however the dude pronounces his name plus the long "I" sound. Not sure why he chose two "i"s instead of one.
It led me to believe that you thought that "ii" was a decision made by Guzman and Ott, or maybe even Daniel Stuntz. My bad. So when you say "he", you mean whoever decided that "ii" would mean "named after"?
There are plants that end in "ii" as well. I am confused.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12432073 - 04/21/10 01:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I shouldn't have said "he" I just meant whoever set the norm and then whoever follows it.
A double "I" suffix doesn't exist in Latin. Latin nouns and adjectives follow the rules of declension to signify their purpose or case in the sentence. Instead of using prepositions, some articles, and some pronoun forms, the ending of the word just changes to indicate what the word is doing. It seems with male names like Stuntz, the choice was made to use 2nd declension masculine rules. Adding an "i" to Stuntz would indicate (as you point out) "named after," specifically it is 2nd declension genitive case. Genitive is just another word for possessive. So the meaning is Psilocybe of Stuntz. But again, it doesn't make sense to me that it ended up as Stuntzii instead of Stuntzi.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: caphillkid]
#12432224 - 04/21/10 01:59 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is in Mushrooms Demystified Latin/Greek Dictionary. I know that it is by no means a definitive Latin/Greek dictionary, but in there if you look up "i" it says see "ii".
The decision was made a long time ago, and it doesn't really matter at all. I know nothing about Latin, but I know a little bit about taxonomy. In taxonomy, "ii" means "named after", and that is all that truly concerns me.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: caphillkid]
#12432299 - 04/21/10 02:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is the book with the info on latin as used in biology:
Botanical Latin
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12432419 - 04/21/10 02:34 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Twiz,
Yeah I hear you. It still bothers me that names and locations are Latin-ized but not done so properly. I'm sure that there are plenty of in group scholars out there that would tell me that I'm wrong. Maybe the double "i" is supposed to be a Greek suffix and not Latin at all.
Edited by caphillkid (04/21/10 02:34 PM)
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
This is the book with the info on latin as used in biology:
Botanical Latin
Interesting, in the table of contents the author lists only 4 of the 5 declensions...
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: caphillkid]
#12434852 - 04/21/10 10:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Question:
Weilii; is it
We-li-eye or is it,
Wy-li-eye?
I've heard both before, but i've always gone with the first one.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: weiliigod]
#12434952 - 04/21/10 10:33 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it is Wheel-eye.
I am reasonably sure his name is pronounced Andrew Wheel.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12437262 - 04/22/10 11:31 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it is Wheel-eye.
I am reasonably sure his name is pronounced Andrew Wheel.
Could be wheel-E-I (long E, long I) too.
Stuntzii could be the same, all the "ii" endings could be "E-I," I don't know. Wonder how they pronounce it themselves.
The one example I can find in any Latin books I have is Tarquinius, which is the name for a few of the last kings of Rome. Tarquini is the root, the word declines: Tarquini-i, Tarquini-us, Tarquini-um. Tarquinius would be pronounced tar-quin-knee-us, so it would make sense that Tarquinii would be tar-quin-knee-eye. My head hurts.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: caphillkid]
#12437520 - 04/22/10 12:12 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is pronounced while-e-eye
Here is a picture I took of Andrew Weil this weekend
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Thanks for saving me from looking like a doofus someday!
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caphillkid
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
It is pronounced while-e-eye
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thelaughingman
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: caphillkid]
#12804169 - 06/25/10 06:16 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Phalloides?
Fa-loyd-is
Fa-loyds
Or something else?
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I say Fal-oyds, but also know nothing about Latin or Greek.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12804435 - 06/25/10 07:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fal loid ees. I don't think there are silent e's.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Bobzimmer]
#12804946 - 06/25/10 08:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I say F-al-oy-dees.
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: elprawn]
#12805566 - 06/25/10 11:35 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good to know. 
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Re: Mushroom Pronunciations [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12805953 - 06/26/10 01:36 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The word is related to the Latin word phallus, phalli, which is basically the same word in Greek too apparently, phallos. It's the same word as phallic, penis-like. The naming of the word using -oides is definitely not Latin though, so whoever named this mixed Latin and Greek. Whoever knows anything about ancient Greek pronunciations, and how Greek nouns misapplied as adjectives decline hundreds of years later can step in now.
Edited by caphillkid (06/26/10 01:39 AM)
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