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MileHiMycophiles
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rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus?
#10881285 - 08/18/09 08:13 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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this makes no sense. why cut out this? i understand why we can't dicuss say, where cubensis grow, seeing as they are illegal in many countries, but why not be allowed to discuss the general locations of mushrooms in your area that are not illegal? this is a legitimate query for discussion. who does it hurt? why did the mods make that rule? and if so, why is this called the hunting and id forum and not just the "identification" forum?
a hunting forum you really can't discuss one of the main parts of hunting in? not allowing people to dicuss where edibles or legal actives or medicinal fungus is pretty facist, seeing as it doesn't hurt the mods, and the mods could just let people be when their not saying anything illegal. just my opinion. they are implying that all mushrooms are bad. why would they do that?
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koraks
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10881306 - 08/18/09 08:20 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Personally, I'm not a fan of discussing specific locations, due to the fact that this forum is public and a good chanterelle spot near a large conglomeration (for example) may easily be raided by commercial hunters who proceed to destroy the spot. So I think the current policy is good and need not be slackened in any way.
Besides, in the knowledge that it is perfectly possible and commendable to discuss properties of habitats and fruiting conditions in detail, what would the added value be of identifying specific locations?
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10881443 - 08/18/09 09:00 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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It doesn't have anything to do with legal aspects. Hunter-gatherers don't share locations with anyone but their tribe, it's a millennium-old unwritten law.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10881508 - 08/18/09 09:18 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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The rule was made long before the current mods were given their position. You might be interested in hearing what the current mods have to say about the rule. I know one thing, I'm not giving out specific locations on any mushrooms.
My simple rule for finding them is this: know the habitat, match the conditions, find the mushrooms. No one need know anything beyond that.
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koraks
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10881528 - 08/18/09 09:22 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: My simple rule for finding them is this: know the habitat, match the conditions, find the mushrooms. No one need know anything beyond that.
Exactly.
Moreover, Google Maps will fill in the need for specific locations, as mushroom photographers are bound to embrace geo-tagging sooner or later.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: koraks]
#10881572 - 08/18/09 09:35 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sure you heard the latest camera models include geo-tagging. I'm pretty sure that's why the EXIF data is culled from photos uploaded to the Shroomery. I asked a question about that, but never received an answer.
If you want to find certain mushrooms, the Mushroom Observer is a great site to steal, er, borrow locations. Some of the idiots, er, um, members over there actually put maps to their mushrooms.
I hope they don't wonder why they can't find them anymore.
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koraks
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10881597 - 08/18/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I suppose the EXIF-ripping has more to do with considerations regarding privacy than with geotagging, as it was standard procedure long before geotagging entered the scene. And even now, geotagging is only available on high-end cameras, often only when an additional GPS module is purchased and attached to the camera. Nikon intends to break this trend, apparently, judging by their recent patent applications (see here).
Anyway, disclosing locations is just, well, bad practice.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: koraks]
#10881622 - 08/18/09 09:44 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am pretty sure the EXIF strip is a fairly recent development. I used to download photos from here specifically for that data when I was studying it. I was always going to get a hiking GPS for that reason. Now I might consider saving up and getting a camera that does it for me. The hard drive in my cranium is slowing down and I can't find a replacement.
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World Spirit
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10881630 - 08/18/09 09:46 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chocolate covered expresso beans from Whole Foods Mkt - try it - you won't be let down
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koraks
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#10881656 - 08/18/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr. Mushrooms said: I am pretty sure the EXIF strip is a fairly recent development. I used to download photos from here specifically for that data when I was studying it.
Oh, ok, I might be mistaken then. It's annoying, in any case. It's one of the reasons why I keep my photos on my own web space.
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I was always going to get a hiking GPS for that reason. Now I might consider saving up and getting a camera that does it for me. The hard drive in my cranium is slowing down and I can't find a replacement.
If you manage to find one, please fill me in on the details. I might be interested in a replacement for the short term memory module.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: World Spirit]
#10881696 - 08/18/09 10:01 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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World Spirit said: Chocolate covered expresso beans from Whole Foods Mkt - try it - you won't be let down
Thanks. I'll try them if I can remember it.
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: koraks]
#10881715 - 08/18/09 10:06 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Chocolate covered expresso beans from Whole Foods Mkt - try it - you won't be let down
i had a wicked pork rib in Mississippi last week, you could eat the meat, bone and marrow, no joke, and i wouldn't share spots i knew without extremely close people either, the fun is in the looking and knowing you're going to get awesome loot if you look well imo
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MileHiMycophiles
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: masspan]
#10881895 - 08/18/09 10:49 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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okay thanks. this is a rule because you are all jaded, untrusting, and selfish. got it. i get that general vibe outta this forum anyway. sarcsam with no real humor, bashing newbs, and only the ones who get mentally beat up enough and put up with yer crap, can become "trusted".
the rocky mountains are huge and one of the biggest north american sources for amanita's. and you're afraid of people stealing "your" spot. i'm glad god gave you that spot. i'm glad theres a birth mark in the shape of a map to your spot on your ass so as to prove god gave it to you.
you NEVER started. you were NEVER a noob. like i said in a former post, do i need to assume hunting will make me an asshole? should i prepare to start being rude to people who just want to know? well, this forum is great practice.
sorry to any of you that are nice... but uh, i haven't met you yet and your outnumbered... it's like trying to find an honest cop or lawyer. one in a million.
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World Spirit
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10881943 - 08/18/09 11:00 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Holy Piratebays, Robin. You need an enema. Relax and read. There are LOTS of informative sections on this site. All you have to do is read.
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MileHiMycophiles
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: World Spirit]
#10881993 - 08/18/09 11:13 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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dude i have been reading. i asked one question about amanitas and got pm's and answers that were nothing but flames. it sucks. i'm not some fucking teenager, and i've been waiting for the rain. have freinds that went camping and said the moutnains are full of mushies, but i can't find any where i live near, so i want to drive somewhere else... but where? oh yeah! nobody can point cause they're all about them and keeping it to themselves.
i got accused of being a teenager, not reading up, and not being educated... dude, i spend so much time on mushroom websites that my wife asked me if i'm gonna leave her for them. fuck it man, people are assholes in general, and there's only a few good ones out there, and they're certainly not in this forum. this is not the first time i've been completely treated like crap for a simple question like this. go read the amanita hunting FAQ. there's not time of day in there. so they bloom anytime? gee that would be nice to have in a FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION doc. "these mushrooms are not like psilocybins and do not wilt before high noon" wow, that'd be SO hard to add.. but no, let's just make fun of people for asking about it. and let's not let people say anything about where they found mushrooms, even if it's their choice and the mushroom is legal. yeah that's great.
which mod is decended from hitler and needs to have nazi'esque control over every detail in here? but as you've all made clear in two threads now, i certainly don't need you people. why should i even trust you to id a mushroom properly when you're complete sarcastic jerks? fuck it. i am chill, i just don't put up with shit, and i get it every time i'm in this forum and this forum alone. being chill has nothing to do with being a doormat. half of you accusing me of being a teenager are 16 yourselves. at least i'm legit. 'scuse me, i was up til midnight reading gordon wasson and john marco allegro books, and now i need to go find another mushroom sight that's not full of jaded assholes.
but i never read anything. you KNOW that since you know me right?
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Bretdaniel
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: World Spirit]
#10881997 - 08/18/09 11:14 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shit if you want to discuss locations of mushrooms with other users, why not just use this thing called Private Messaging? Plus if you don't like walking actually looking for your favorite mushrooms then why even do it? I personally like the walk and who knows you might stumble across a few other Species that you would have not found if you knew the exacts.
Edited by Bretdaniel (08/18/09 11:15 AM)
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World Spirit
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10882049 - 08/18/09 11:24 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alright. Since you implied that I'm an asshole I too don't mind obliging.
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MileHiMycophiles
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10882063 - 08/18/09 11:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow are you even reading what i type? or just skimming and responding? duh, the latter, that's what people do on the shroomery.
I DO WALK. I DO READ. I DO SEARCH. I DO PM. I AM A FULL ADULT I HAVE EXPERIENCE.
god damn dude, after four years with no luck while people find them all around me, i asked a couple of question to help me out.
and this is how people respond.
do hunters hunt because they have such a low IQ they can't grow? that must be it. why do i keep responding. i need to stay away from that, "threads" button. you people are crazy.
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Bretdaniel
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10882450 - 08/18/09 12:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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If we frustrate you so much why don't you just find a new forum then?
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koraks
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Re: rule discussion: why can't we discuss general locations of legal fungus? [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10882656 - 08/18/09 12:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I pick the quote below to reply to, since I think it is the last starting point you offered for a somewhat constructive discussion. From here on, I will ignore the insinuations that you felt necessary to post as an apparent result of your frustration.
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the rocky mountains are huge and one of the biggest north american sources for amanita's. and you're afraid of people stealing "your" spot. i'm glad god gave you that spot. i'm glad theres a birth mark in the shape of a map to your spot on your ass so as to prove god gave it to you.
Please be aware of the message you started this thread with. In that message, you ask for a general discussion on a forum rule, without making explicit any relationship with a particular species or location. The resulting discussion is exactly that (save for some off topic remarks): general considerations on the question if specific locations should be allowed. However, once these were put forward, you applied these reasons to your particular case. You are free to do so, especially if you want to support the argument that a differentiation should be made with regard to the species to which this rule applies. But instead of taking part in the actual discussion, we are treated on your personal views on this board and a not very eloquent expression of your frustration.
Now, what do you expect from us? How would you respond if I went up to you asking if I could borrow a pen from you and I proceeded to scold you about being a nazi bastard? Would I get that pen, d'you reckon?
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