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Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun?
#10873759 - 08/17/09 12:14 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey guys! Ok, I have a shotgun FC that is 16" by 20" wide, and 15 inches high. I am putting 5 inches of perlite in the bottom. I am using a gallon Ice cream bucket as my fruiting tray that is 5 inches high. That only leaves 5 inches for my shrooms to grow, and I dont want to limit them in any way!
Would it be ok to set the ice cream bucket on the bottom, and surround it with perlite so my shrooms can have 10 inches to grow? I know this is a little deep for a tray, but my other trays would have put the sub depth at an inch with the amount of spawn I had. There will be a lot of exposed perlite surrounding the tub still.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
#10873852 - 08/17/09 12:34 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Misternobody]
#10873871 - 08/17/09 12:40 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can but understand that when you cover your perlite you lose surface area with the perlite and in turn it does not release as much humidity.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Satori23]
#10873889 - 08/17/09 12:45 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Satori23 said: You can but understand that when you cover your perlite you lose surface area with the perlite and in turn it does not release as much humidity.
Agreed, but you could put some legs in there to keep it a 1/8 in abouve the perlite and you wouldnt have any problems with this.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: elemental420]
#10873956 - 08/17/09 12:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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all I saw in that was the words "Ice Cream". What kind of ice cream containers are they?
Size? one gallon. Flavor chocolate!
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You can but understand that when you cover your perlite you lose surface area with the perlite and in turn it does not release as much humidity.
Would that not be the same surface area covered as if I put it directly on top of the perlite? Or are you referring to the surface area covered by the sides of the tub? If thats the case, I could always make the perlite 7 inches, giving the shrooms 8 inches to grow. I have plenty of perlite to go around!
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Agreed, but you could put some legs in there to keep it a 1/8 in abouve the perlite and you wouldnt have any problems with this.
Thats defeats the whole purpose of this post, im not trying to make less room for my shrooms to grow, im trying to make more. I see what your saying though, thats what I planned on doing with my 3 inch trays.
Edited by HiddenIdentity (08/17/09 01:00 AM)
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
#10873977 - 08/17/09 01:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use 5" of perlite and get great results. If you do that and lift the trays up 1/2" off the perlite, you should have more than enough room for them to grow.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
#10873984 - 08/17/09 01:06 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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No you aren't understanding our responses. We are referring to the surface area of the perlite. When you lay something on the perlite, that area that is covered will no longer be releasing moisture (humidity).
Follow?
Example: If you have 18 square inches of perlite.. and cover up 8 square inches with an object, then only 10 square inches will be releasing moisture.
Elemental420's suggestion was to put the tray on top of some stands but to have the stand semi-buried in the perlite so the tray is atleast an 1/8th of an inch off the perlite; which is enough to allow it to release moisture; thus creating humidity.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Satori23]
#10874094 - 08/17/09 01:36 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Elemental420's suggestion was to put the tray on top of some stands but to have the stand semi-buried in the perlite so the tray is atleast an 1/8th of an inch off the perlite; which is enough to allow it to release moisture; thus creating humidity.
Without burying the the 5 inch ice cream bucket? So that leaves 5 inches from the top of the bucket, thats enought hight for the shrooms to grow to their full potential? I was thinking the average highth of shrooms was more like 6 - 7 inches tall
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
#10874110 - 08/17/09 01:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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HiddenIdentity said:
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Elemental420's suggestion was to put the tray on top of some stands but to have the stand semi-buried in the perlite so the tray is atleast an 1/8th of an inch off the perlite; which is enough to allow it to release moisture; thus creating humidity.
Without burying the the 5 inch ice cream bucket? So that leaves 5 inches from the top of the bucket, thats enought hight for the shrooms to grow to their full potential? I was thinking the average highth of shrooms was more like 6 - 7 inches tall
Growing on cakes or what? Cakes will only give you like 4-5" mushrooms most of the time anyway. Rarely have I seen any over 6" tall from a half-pint cake.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Shroominit]
#10874569 - 08/17/09 07:06 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am using a gallon Ice cream bucket as my fruiting tray that is 5 inches high.
No, I am growing WBS spawned to coir and coffee.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
#10874835 - 08/17/09 09:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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You'll be fine doing that. You'll make up for the lost surface area of the perlite by your substrate itself releasing moisture as humidity. A bigger terrarium would work better though. RR
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10876554 - 08/17/09 03:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, thanks everyone!
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A bigger terrarium would work better though.
Damn, I already bought 2 this size, and drilled holes in it for a shotgun style. I did this because I seen your tek on building a shotgun, and I take your word to be the law lol.
After reading around the forums more, I think I may just turn them both into monotubs. Would it be ok to line them with a trash bag to seal up all the holes, then just do the whole monotub thing from there? P.S everyone cross your fingers for my first grow to become a success after 6-7 months of trying to get this stuff right...
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
#10876602 - 08/17/09 03:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn, I already bought 2 this size, and drilled holes in it for a shotgun style. I did this because I seen your tek on building a shotgun, and I take your word to be the law lol.
You can make a shotgun terrarium in any sized tote you want. Two different sized terrariums are shown on my DVD. RR
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10921954 - 08/23/09 06:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have probably spoken with at least 20 individuals this week using shotguns all with the same reported issues of not being able to keep rH up and also bugs getting in. No matter how much perlite you use...you will likely have rH problems. Taping some of the holes up seems to help lol. And using a filtertape on the ones you want to leave open will keep bugs out.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Gretchenmeister]
#10922041 - 08/23/09 07:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Gretchenmeister]
#10922052 - 08/23/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I advise against shotgun FC's they have caused nothing but trouble due to having to tape up over half of it to get my rH up in the 90's. FAE is great but not when you can't maintain humidity.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: ttsk8r]
#10922089 - 08/23/09 07:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would say that the shotgun fc are more trouble then just having fewer larger holes with filter tape over them.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: fargone_]
#10922142 - 08/23/09 07:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like that terrarium is plenty big nuff to maintain humidity for that ice cream bucket. The difference between submerging it in perlite or setting it on top of it is zero. U could just stick w/ your original plan. U can always tape up holes if the humidity is too low. Or u could take a stick and make ridges and valleys in the perlite to increase surface thus raising rh.
Or u eat another bucket of ice cream, put the 2nd bucket on top of the first and tape em together making a double tub.
For advice on hole sizing you could try a search on mini double tub or minimono or mini monotub.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: fargone_]
#10922179 - 08/23/09 07:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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fargone_ said: I would say that the shotgun fc are more trouble then just having fewer larger holes with filter tape over them.
i 100% agree i dont know why certain people still praise a terarrium with 100000000000 holes ......
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: durka_durka420]
#10922322 - 08/23/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am thinking of making my other tub of the same size into a mono. It has all the holes already for a shotgun, but I can tape them up. Then cut holes and stuff with polyfil.
Check out my new post, I have lots of pins after just 2 days!
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: durka_durka420]
#10922347 - 08/23/09 08:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is this really a thread full of newbs bashing shotgun FC's?
Why?
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Doc_T]
#10922371 - 08/23/09 08:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not dissing them. Mine worked for me pretty good, high humidity. I have never done a mono though, so I have nothing to compare it to.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Doc_T]
#10922395 - 08/23/09 08:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Is this really a thread full of newbs bashing shotgun FC's?
Why?
I was wondering the same. I believe it to be a combination of not actually trying shotgun FC's and reading old/bad info about people doing it wrong.
I've made 3, different sized shotgun chambers, all kept humidity great.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Shroominit]
#10922446 - 08/23/09 08:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no humidity problems at all when I run my coolmist in the same room as the shotgun terrarium. Thanks RR :P
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: HiddenIdentity]
#10922588 - 08/23/09 08:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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HiddenIdentity said: Im not dissing them. Mine worked for me pretty good, high humidity. I have never done a mono though, so I have nothing to compare it to.
I have. My conclusion: holes, lots of holes. Here's my mini mono, drilled shotgun style. Next I'm trying a full monotub drilled that way.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Doc_T]
#10922784 - 08/23/09 09:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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HiddenIdentity said: Im not dissing them. Mine worked for me pretty good, high humidity. I have never done a mono though, so I have nothing to compare it to.
I have. My conclusion: holes, lots of holes. Here's my mini mono, drilled shotgun style. Next I'm trying a full monotub drilled that way.
Just for that, doc. I think I'll do my next mono inside my old shotgun.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Doc_T]
#10922800 - 08/23/09 09:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Is this really a thread full of newbs bashing shotgun FC's?
Why?
I'd bet it's because there's so much variance in local humidity levels that many noobs have tried copying one model or another and found it don't work for em.
My foaf never bothered putting any holes in his perlite terrariums cuz he never grew more than a few cakes at a time and he opened the thing to look at em so much, he never needed any holes.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: ttsk8r]
#10922870 - 08/23/09 09:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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ttsk8r said: I advise against shotgun FC's they have caused nothing but trouble due to having to tape up over half of it to get my rH up in the 90's. FAE is great but not when you can't maintain humidity.
This is a common problem. People used to give bad advice to tape up the holes to increase humidity. However, if the terrarium is built per the tek, it will have upper 90s percent humidity. Taping the holes actually lowers humidity along with providing less fresh air, which is the number 1 pinning trigger. You want lots of fresh air, and then you mist to make up for the moisture that evaporates from your substrate. This ebb and flow of substrate moisture content results in the best pinsets possible. The terrarium works on the principle that air flowing up through the cool perlite absorbs the moisture, bringing it into the air above. Tape up the holes and you defeat the purpose, lowering humidity.
The shotgun terrarium theory of operation is explained in this thread. It's similar to a system I helped put in during one of my first engineering jobs after school. The system in Alaska is still in operation to this day, keeping the ground around the pipeline frozen all year without using electricity. It works. RR
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#11006043 - 09/05/09 08:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do "tek support" in #cultivation and I have seen countless people come in with problems with "shotgun" FC's. Bugs and low humidity are among the top problems. Then they slap tyvek over all those holes and it works. I don't care how you explain it, it does NOT work and you are causing problems for 100s of people. And then you cause trouble for #cultivation staff. Lose this tek.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Eightball]
#11006126 - 09/05/09 08:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's some pics of some trays from my VERY 1st grow ... 1st flush and I used a Shotgun. These are 6 quart sterilite trays.
Here's one tray:

Here's another:

The shotgun did its job for me as a newb. I did quickly switch off to 4 teir greenhouse using an ultrasonic humidification system so that I could grow much bigger trays and more of them per FC.
The shotgun does work. Ya just have to keep everything misted.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Eightball]
#11006132 - 09/05/09 08:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eightball said: I do "tek support" in #cultivation and I have seen countless people come in with problems with "shotgun" FC's. Bugs and low humidity are among the top problems. Then they slap tyvek over all those holes and it works. I don't care how you explain it, it does NOT work and you are causing problems for 100s of people. And then you cause trouble for #cultivation staff. Lose this tek.
Dude. Seriously.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: NineInchNails]
#11006134 - 09/05/09 08:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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By the way ... the 'Lets Gro Mushrooms' video was the BEST video I ever laid eyes on for this hobby more than any other.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: NineInchNails]
#11006213 - 09/05/09 09:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's one tray:

Here's another:

That's the same tray.. not two different trays. Thought I would just point that out.
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Re: Can I bury my tray in perlite in my shotgun? [Re: Satori23]
#11006360 - 09/05/09 09:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good call! PhotoBucked fuck up on my part
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