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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
zappaisgod said:
That's because the only way they ever impact my personal freedom is by taking my money and giving it to bums.  Otherwise I do what I want.


Nah, they can also tell you that you're not allowed to snort coke.

  Never stopped me.  Ever.



zappaisgod said:
What did you do to yourself?  And who said you had to move?  Most people move to get a job.  You move to quit a job.  Brilliant.


I sprained my right wrist, and it could possibly be broken. I am typing with my left hand right now, and I am right-handed.


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I had to move because my mom broke up with her boyfriend; we were living with him while they were together.


Oy.
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zappaisgod said:
Bullshit.  America is a nation of individuals.  If you are looking for a handout, you greedy dog you, YOU GET THE FUCK OUT.


Nation, community, same shit; you are arguing semantics.

How can someone with nothing be greedy? :confused:


Thieves aren't greedy?
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Why should you have any cake at all?  You did nothing to bake it.


Good point, I guess we need to close down every single soup kitchen. :shrug:


If I want to donate to a soup kitchen I will.  If you force me to give it isn't charity, it's theft.
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Because I knew that it made it harder for me to get work.  Duh.  I also don't much give a shit.  It is a relatively inconsequential issue where I live.


Minimum wage made it harder for you to get work, WTF? :what:

Without it, chances are you'd be just like those no-good leechers you're always talking shit about! :lol:


Even more complete bullshit than most of your posts.  Minimum wage doesn't have a thing to do with what I make now, you are quite crazy.  Yeah it made it harder.  I could have had more jobs if they didn't have to pay me $2.15 an hour.
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Once again, there are more than enough services for them.


Why should there be? They didn't do anything to earn said services! :whatever:


No, they didn't.  Which doesn't have one thing to do with the fact that anybody who says the services aren't there is a lying fool.
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Who's greedier?  Someone who works hard and isn't interested in giving money away to strange bums or someone who works not at all and expects a handout?


You obviously you don't know what greed is. :shrug:
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n.
An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs, especially with respect to material wealth



So I should buy a house for somebody when all they need is a closet?  Foodstamps for cigarettes?  There is a whole lot of welfare crap that goes well beyond "need".  Isn't that greedy?
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Yeah, you ought to try a real restaurant.  I would suggest you get off your ass and get a trade or a skill.  At 20 I had a burgeoning skill even while I went to university.  You really need to stop fucking around and start doing some work with a future.


I'm a broke-ass Mexican cripple who has a horrible relationship with his family - there isn't much of a future for my kind...:sad:


Not with your attitude of entitlement there isn't.  Get the fuck out of the house, by the way.  How did you sprain your wrist?  Take hold of your own life and stop whining.
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No regular drug users of any kind that I know ever amount to anything special.


But many successful people are straight-up drug fiends. :sadyes:


Successful at what?  Many out of 300 million?  What's that?  A few thousand?  The only place I know that works at is the entertainment industry.  And I don't know those people.

My suggestion to you.  Get the fuck out of the house get a job quit taking drugs and stop whining.  You're 20 years old not going to school?  Time's up.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Yrat]
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Yrat said:
anyone can be greedy.  "owning something" is not a requirement in order to be a greedy person.

maybe he's greedy because he expects something he didn't earn


Expecting a pittance in return for society having taken away the means for him to produce for himself (ie farming) is not greed.  We structure our economy to maximize profitability at the expense of self-sustainability.  The citizens that are excluded from this smaller yet highly productive system deserve to be compensated for what we'll call these damages.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Ferris]
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Or they could adapt. :shrug:

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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Redstorm]
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That's a numerical impossibility.  If they "adapt", someone else is going to be unable to find work.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Ferris]
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That is making the assumption that the amount of jobs in the US is static. I believe it is an assumption which is not sound.

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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Redstorm]
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I'm not saying it's static, but these people don't have an unlimited ability to just create new jobs out of the blue.  Even if every employer was working at maximum capacity and every venture was utilized, there'd STILL be a shitload of unemployed or discouraged workers.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Ferris]
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Buggy whips.  We still need 'em for the sex trade.

Ferris is beyond foolish with his protectionist crap.
"If they "adapt", someone else is going to be unable to find work."  It isn't a zero sum game and useless jobs need to be eliminated.  They must adapt.

Until recently unemployment was at an annoyingly low level.  As in I couldn't find employees to do the work I had.  And it had nothing to do with the money offered.  I hadn't even posted the pay as it's always individually based but I got ZERO phone calls from any want ads.  ZERO.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: zappaisgod]
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My guess is you were offering minimum wage for slave labor.  You seem like the type.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Ferris]
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Ferris said:
My guess is you were offering minimum wage for slave labor.  You seem like the type.


:yawn:

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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Redstorm]
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Whatever, bottom line is that zappa has zero respect for human beings.  If anyone needs to be whipped and/or thrown off the face of the earth, it's people like him.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Ferris]
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Ferris said:
Whatever, bottom line is that zappa has zero respect for human beings.  If anyone needs to be whipped and/or thrown off the face of the earth, it's people like him.


Nice.  I pay good money for good work.  I do not have any respect for bums, junkies, whiners, losers.  Real people?  Enormous respect.  I know how hard it is to actually accept responsibility for yourself and your family without begging.  How about you?  If you throw people like me off the face of the earth who are you going to panhandle off of?


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
Ferris said:
My guess is you were offering minimum wage for slave labor.  You seem like the type.


:yawn:


Apparently he missed this part
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And it had nothing to do with the money offered.  I hadn't even posted the pay as it's always individually based


No surprise.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Never stopped me.  Ever.


That's not the point - and in any case, it does stop you from doing it in public.


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How?


Overdoing it with a punching bag, bare-knuckled. :boxing:


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Thieves aren't greedy?


Not if they're stealing what they need.


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zappaisgod said:
If I want to donate to a soup kitchen I will.  If you force me to give it isn't charity, it's theft.


I guess all taxes could be considered theft, too, then. :shrug:


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zappaisgod said:
Even more complete bullshit than most of your posts.  Minimum wage doesn't have a thing to do with what I make now, you are quite crazy.  Yeah it made it harder.  I could have had more jobs if they didn't have to pay me $2.15 an hour.


Or they could've just paid you much less. :shrug:


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No, they didn't.  Which doesn't have one thing to do with the fact that anybody who says the services aren't there is a lying fool.


That wasn't my point at all. If you don't mind helping children with your tax money, why are you against helping adults who are in need?


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So I should buy a house for somebody when all they need is a closet?  Foodstamps for cigarettes?  There is a whole lot of welfare crap that goes well beyond "need".  Isn't that greedy?


Nobody could live a fulfilling life in a closet, and it's not like you'd be paying for the whole house, you'd only be paying a miniscule fraction of the cost.


zappaisgod said:
Not with your attitude of entitlement there isn't.  Get the fuck out of the house, by the way.  How did you sprain your wrist?  Take hold of your own life and stop whining.


I've nowhere to go. The high living expenses of my area coupled with the scarce amount of decent paying jobs make my situation difficult.


zappaisgod said:
Successful at what?  Many out of 300 million?  What's that?  A few thousand?  The only place I know that works at is the entertainment industry.  And I don't know those people.

My suggestion to you.  Get the fuck out of the house get a job quit taking drugs and stop whining.  You're 20 years old not going to school?  Time's up.


Pretty much every type of person gets high - business executives, lawyers, and doctors included.

I'm going to go back to school once I find my own place.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
zappaisgod said:
If I want to donate to a soup kitchen I will.  If you force me to give it isn't charity, it's theft.


I guess all taxes could be considered theft, too, then. :shrug:


yes, mandated by law.

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Even more complete bullshit than most of your posts.  Minimum wage doesn't have a thing to do with what I make now, you are quite crazy.  Yeah it made it harder.  I could have had more jobs if they didn't have to pay me $2.15 an hour.


Or they could've just paid you much less. :shrug:



:facepalm:

that's his very point.  they couldn't pay him less, because of minimum wage.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Yrat]
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Yrat said:
yes, mandated by law.


If you think that, then stop fucking using paved roads, or visiting your public library, or even using tap water. :shrug:


Yrat said:
that's his very point.  they couldn't pay him less, because of minimum wage.


Is it really this hard to understand that minimum wage saved his ass? :cuckoo:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Yrat said:
yes, mandated by law.


If you think that, then stop fucking using paved roads, or visiting your public library, or even using tap water. :shrug:



well, other than using roads, i don't do any of those things.  and even then, my LOCAL roads are paid for by my local and state government.  i have no problem supporting my LOCAL community.  it's sending 30% of my worth off to some fairytale candyland never to see it again that i have a problem with.

Poid said:
Yrat said:
that's his very point.  they couldn't pay him less, because of minimum wage.


Is it really this hard to understand that minimum wage saved his ass? :cuckoo:


you still don't understand the point.  it's incredible.  he would have worked several jobs for $1 an hour if he could have found them.  law prevented it.  therefore he could only work a couple jobs that could afford to pay him minimum wage.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
zappaisgod said:
Never stopped me.  Ever.


That's not the point - and in any case, it does stop you from doing it in public.
As you should know by now, I would like the drug laws repealed.  However, that does not detract from the fact that A they haven't stopped from using anything ever and B the single greatest force of government oppression in my life, BY FAR, has been the tax code.  You don't get to say what oppression I feel.  Only I get to say what oppression I feel.


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How?


Overdoing it with a punching bag, bare-knuckled. :boxing:

You should be more careful with your recreation.  Should I somehow be on the hook for your treatment?  No.  You fucked up.  Tough shit.
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Thieves aren't greedy?


Not if they're stealing what they need.

That is hardly a description of most thieves.  And people on government assistance.  I remember that picture a few months back when Michelle was working a soup kitchen and several people in line were taking cell phone photos.  Some need.


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If I want to donate to a soup kitchen I will.  If you force me to give it isn't charity, it's theft.


I guess all taxes could be considered theft, too, then. :shrug:

Nope.  Just the Robin Hood ones.  Somewhere along the way "general welfare" got horribly misconstrued.


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Even more complete bullshit than most of your posts.  Minimum wage doesn't have a thing to do with what I make now, you are quite crazy.  Yeah it made it harder.  I could have had more jobs if they didn't have to pay me $2.15 an hour.


Or they could've just paid you much less. :shrug:

Except they couldn't.  :shrug:


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No, they didn't.  Which doesn't have one thing to do with the fact that anybody who says the services aren't there is a lying fool.


That wasn't my point at all. If you don't mind helping children with your tax money, why are you against helping adults who are in need?

Because adults are adults.  In almost every case their sad plight is a result of their own fuckups.  That includes you.


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So I should buy a house for somebody when all they need is a closet?  Foodstamps for cigarettes?  There is a whole lot of welfare crap that goes well beyond "need".  Isn't that greedy?


Nobody could live a fulfilling life in a closet, and it's not like you'd be paying for the whole house, you'd only be paying a miniscule fraction of the cost.
Now I have to provide a "fulfilling" life?  We have made quite a leap from need to want haven't we?  Anything else you think I should buy?  A nicer car, maybe?  I don't want to pay any fraction.  And how meaningful is a life lived on the dole?

zappaisgod said:
Not with your attitude of entitlement there isn't.  Get the fuck out of the house, by the way.  How did you sprain your wrist?  Take hold of your own life and stop whining.


I've nowhere to go. The high living expenses of my area coupled with the scarce amount of decent paying jobs make my situation difficult.
You are 20 years old, no wife no kids no nothing.  Stop whining and MOVE.  Why should you only take a decent paying job?  You need to take whatever job you can get and stop being a whiny dependent


zappaisgod said:
Successful at what?  Many out of 300 million?  What's that?  A few thousand?  The only place I know that works at is the entertainment industry.  And I don't know those people.

My suggestion to you.  Get the fuck out of the house get a job quit taking drugs and stop whining.  You're 20 years old not going to school?  Time's up.


Pretty much every type of person gets high - business executives, lawyers, and doctors included.

I'm going to go back to school once I find my own place.


People who are smart enough to be doctors, lawyers and executives can sometimes get away with throwing their gloves on the field for the win.  Most people cannot, and that encompasses just about everybody in construction.  And those doctors, lawyers and executives are certainly NOT getting all they could.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Yrat]
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Yrat said:
well, other than using roads, i don't do any of those things.  and even then, my LOCAL roads are paid for by my local and state government.  i have no problem supporting my LOCAL community.  it's sending 30% of my worth off to some fairytale candyland never to see it again that i have a problem with.


What about mail?

Do you not understand that your local community is supported by the federal government?


Yrat said:
you still don't understand the point.  it's incredible.  he would have worked several jobs for $1 an hour if he could have found them.  law prevented it.  therefore he could only work a couple jobs that could afford to pay him minimum wage.


You're assuming two things here: that there will be several businesses that'll pay him $1, and that he would've been able to survive at that salary.


zappaisgod said:
As you should know by now, I would like the drug laws repealed.  However, that does not detract from the fact that A they haven't stopped from using anything ever and B the single greatest force of government oppression in my life, BY FAR, has been the tax code.  You don't get to say what oppression I feel.  Only I get to say what oppression I feel.


How extremely selfish. Since you've never been murdered, then I guess you'd like murder to be legal. :shrug:


zappaisgod said:
You should be more careful with your recreation.  Should I somehow be on the hook for your treatment?  No.  You fucked up.  Tough shit.


Well shit happens to everybody, not just rich people. Hey, why don't we make poor people's lives worse by forbiding them from engaging in their recreation of choice because the potential health care costs far outweigh their relative importance! :awesome:


zappaisgod said:
That is hardly a description of most thieves.  And people on government assistance.  I remember that picture a few months back when Michelle was working a soup kitchen and several people in line were taking cell phone photos.  Some need.


How do you know that these people didn't pay for the cell phones thwmselves? What if they need it inorder to make money?


zappaisgod said:
Because adults are adults.  In almost every case their sad plight is a result of their own fuckups.  That includes you.


That's hardly relevabt; we help a child because it is a life, an adult is no different.


zappaisgod said:
Now I have to provide a "fulfilling" life?  We have made quite a leap from need to want haven't we?  Anything else you think I should buy?  A nicer car, maybe?  I don't want to pay any fraction.  And how meaningful is a life lived on the dole?


You are not providing shit; there is a cost for living in this country, and the government decides how to allocate its money. Most people are fine with helping the poor. That's how it wotks.


zappaisgod said:
You are 20 years old, no wife no kids no nothing.  Stop whining and MOVE.  Why should you only take a decent paying job?  You need to take whatever job you can get and stop being a whiny dependent


A decent paying job is absolutely necessary if I'm to find a room for myself in my area.


zappaisgod said:
People who are smart enough to be doctors, lawyers and executives can sometimes get away with throwing their gloves on the field for the win.  Most people cannot, and that encompasses just about everybody in construction.  And those doctors, lawyers and executives are certainly NOT getting all they could.


The fact remains that pretty much every type of person uses pretty much every type of drug.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Poid]
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> Do you not understand that your local community is supported by the federal government?

An unfortunate trend for the Federal government to be involved in the local community. There used to be a saying, "Don't make a federal case out of it".  Pretty much meaningless anymore, but at one time the federal government stuck to "big issues" and left the communities to govern themselves.  The US is a republic of states, or at least it was.

> How do you know that these people didn't pay for the cell phones thwmselves?

The point that managed to miss is that they are unable to buy food, yet able to afford a cell phone?  Which of the two is vital to life, food or phone?  These people have some seriously misplaced priorities... or do they... free food, thanks to handouts, allows them to enjoy the "finer" things in life; and it doesn't cost anybody except for the taxpayers.

> Most people are fine with helping the poor. That's how it wotks.

That explains why we don't need government welfare; because people are fine handing out their hard earned money to take care of the lazy- no need for the government to force the non-lazy to volunteer a handout.

> A decent paying job is absolutely necessary if I'm to find a room for myself in my area.

Oh, the horror.  Find a roommate.  Get married, don't have kids, and share the cost of living with your spouse.  Move somewhere cheaper to live.  Work two jobs.  Lower your standard of living to something that you can afford.  Oh wait, I forgot, your mommy told you that you were special and that you are entitled to whatever you want in life and if you can't afford it then others should provide it for you.

> The fact remains that pretty much every type of person uses pretty much every type of drug.

The fact, eh?  Maybe in your fantasy world, but none of th professionals that I know, and as a small business owner, I know a lot of them, use any drug beyond alcohol.  I'd be willing to bet that not a single CEO of all fortune 500 companies uses heroin.


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Re: We could feed and house everyone in America [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Yrat said:
well, other than using roads, i don't do any of those things.  and even then, my LOCAL roads are paid for by my local and state government.  i have no problem supporting my LOCAL community.  it's sending 30% of my worth off to some fairytale candyland never to see it again that i have a problem with.


What about mail?


i use those private shippers, remember their names?  the US postal service is losing billions a year, and yet it is kept open against profitable competitors.  shows you how good government is at cutting unnecessary costs.

Poid said:
Do you not understand that your local community is supported by the federal government?


it shouldn't be.  we'd be better of supporting ourselves, and not everyone else in the country.  that's what states are supposed to be for.

Poid said:
Yrat said:
you still don't understand the point.  it's incredible.  he would have worked several jobs for $1 an hour if he could have found them.  law prevented it.  therefore he could only work a couple jobs that could afford to pay him minimum wage.


You're assuming two things here: that there will be several businesses that'll pay him $1, and that he would've been able to survive at that salary.


i wouldn't sell my labor for $1/hr, but it would certainly be better than making nothing. 3 part time jobs at $1/hr is better than one at $2.  too bad $1/hr is illegal because of minimum wage laws.


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