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InvisibleChe_Night_Soil
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Casing layer on bulk poo necessary?
    #1084460 - 11/25/02 03:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I guess my question is: how does not casing poo affect yield in terms of the # of flushes you'll get? I read that it's possible to get only 1 flush (in larger containers?) without a casing layer. Thanks for any help with this.


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Re: Casing layer on poo necessary? [Re: Che_Night_Soil]
    #1084889 - 11/25/02 06:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

If you case your poo, you will cut down on the chance for contamination, it also provides the mycelium with a humid microclimate while providing the fruits a viable surface to fruit from (not to say that it wouldn't have a viable surface without the casing ).


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Re: Casing layer on poo necessary? [Re: Che_Night_Soil]
    #1084891 - 11/25/02 06:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Poo doesnt seem to hold water too well.


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Re: Casing layer on poo necessary? [Re: Che_Night_Soil]
    #1085675 - 11/25/02 11:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

you could case the poo with poo. Here's 3m's dung tek...

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3M's Dung Tek

I have used this particular Tek to grow mushrooms for awhile now. Credit has to go to Psychonaut for turning me on to using dung and also to the gremlin that screwed up and didn't follow my instructions. This is the result of his screw up and if it works for you like it has for me then I doubt that you will want to try any other way.

What I use:

* 1 5x9 aluminum bread pan
* 1 cup of colonized wheat
* a pillow case full of well composted horse dung
* a large pot of boiling water
* a bread knife
* a grow chamber



Step 1: place colonized grain in an aluminum bread pan and allow to sit in chamber until the grain knits together nicely(2 or 3 days). With this size of pan you get a layer about 1" thick.

Step 2: Bring pot of water to boil and submerge pillow case of crumbled horse dung in the hot water. Remove from heat. Allow it to steep for 45 minutes.

Step 3: Drain the dung and allow to cool overnight.

Step 4: Squeeze excess water from the dung with your fist and crumble it over the grain in the pan. Fill the pan to the lip with the crumble dung. Consider the dung as a casing. Place back in your chamber and keep humidity around 85-90%

Step 5: Initiate pinning when mycelium starts breaking through the surface.

Step 6: After you have harvested your flush remove the mycelium from the pan and gently hold it on it's side. You will see the line where the dung joins the grain. Carefully slice off the entire dung layer and recase with fresh dung. Repeat steps 1 to 6.

After the 5th flush remove the dung layer and crumble the grain into fresh dung filling the pan to about 1/2-1" below the edge and case with more dung. Post flush in this phase slice off the top 1" of your mycelium loaf and replace with fresh dung again.

My record using this method is 9 flushes and 4 months before contams claimed the pan. You will find that your subsequent flushes are larger then you are used to since there is more nutrition available to the mushrooms then when using verm or peat based casings.





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Re: Casing layer on poo necessary? [Re: rhizo]
    #1086395 - 11/26/02 02:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks to all for the advice. Thanks, rhizo for 3M's tek...very interesting. 9 flushes is pretty damned amazing.


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Re: Casing layer on poo necessary? [Re: Che_Night_Soil]
    #1086523 - 11/26/02 03:51 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm currently experimenting with cased vs. uncased poo and uncased poo does pretty well really:

It's not a very even flush because the pins only seem to form at the sides and in the depressions where it's most humid. I will probably case it after this flush. But I'm pretty pleased with it's performance.




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Re: Casing layer on poo necessary? [Re: zeta]
    #1086574 - 11/26/02 04:15 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

nice looking fruits. it doesn't look like that top layer can hold much moisture. you think you would have gotten a more even pinset if you had cased? also, what do you case with, coir?


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Re: Casing layer on poo necessary? [Re: rhizo]
    #1086613 - 11/26/02 04:35 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I ordinarily case with 50/50+ (coir not peat)
I just happened to have 2 identical bins of colonised poo, so I cased one and left the other.
I'm quite certain the pinset would have been better if I had cased, I guess we will see when the cased one fruits.
Incidentally the casing layer on the cased one is taking an extraordinarily long time to colonise..


Edited by zeta (11/26/02 04:36 AM)


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