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OfflineLiquidSmoke
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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10827774 - 08/09/09 01:22 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Okay, in the past 10 years and months, they've won 1 playoff game. But getting rid of Shanahan was a bad move, he was THIS close to making something happen.








They fired Shanahan in hopes of finding a coach more like the one who lead them to their only two super bowl wins oh wait....


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10827983 - 08/09/09 02:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, they had won ONE playoff game in 10 years, and had the largest collapse in playoff history. His personnel moves the past 5 years were pretty bad, his defense was awful, changing D coordinators every year, rumors that he had lost a lot of the team.

Bowlen had anointed him "coach for life" and there must have been some serious ka ka going on for Bowlen to let hum go. Serious.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #10827997 - 08/09/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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whattheheck said:


Okay, in the past 10 years and months, they've won 1 playoff game. But getting rid of Shanahan was a bad move, he was THIS close to making something happen.








They fired Shanahan in hopes of finding a coach more like the one who lead them to their only two super bowl wins oh wait....




Times change, the game passes people by.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10828139 - 08/09/09 02:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Or maybe, year in and year out, low draft position finally taking a toll.

I sincerely doubt the game has passed him by.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10828749 - 08/09/09 05:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Six words: Maurice Clarett. Second round draft pick.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10829068 - 08/09/09 05:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Do you really want to go down a list of all the high round busts?  Because the Giants drafted some serious duds, too.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10829113 - 08/09/09 06:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Did they draft Maurice Clarett?


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10829169 - 08/09/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10829443 - 08/09/09 06:58 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:

Ironically, it looks like one of the backs that helped push Shanahan to release Clarett a few weeks after they signed him was....

Ron Dayne.

So at one point, Shanahan had Clarett AND the castoff Dayne in his backfield.

:lol:


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10829452 - 08/09/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

At least he didn't waste a high pick on Dayne.  There isn't one team that doesn't have a high profile bust.  Comes with the territory.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10829538 - 08/09/09 07:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

His defense and D cordinaters have been mostly busts for about 10 years.

Shula, Noll, Parcells to some extent, the list goes on. Coaches as a general rule either wear out, or wear out their welcome.

We'll see if Shanny still has it when he takes over the Dallas job.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10829575 - 08/09/09 07:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well that's an interesting bit of speculation.  It wouldn't surprise me a bit.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
    #10829870 - 08/09/09 08:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It makes sense. Phillips isn't the man to run that team. And Shanahan's offense and ego would fit in perfect in Big D.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10834987 - 08/10/09 06:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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No, he would have tried to bring in Alex Rios to play third because he fits the "system" better and A-Rod would've gotten mad and McDaniels would have forced Cashman to trade him for Willie Aybar.

I can see it now.





You are, ONCE AGAIN, twisting the facts to try and prove a point that you otherwise could not make. The fall out between Jay and McD had already happened when McD made the inquiry for Cassel. Bus and jay used that as the "reason" that Jay "needed" to be traded.

You still, as far as I know, have not answered my question. You are Pat Bowlen, a dignified human and above reproach by every available standard, and your QB and coach are fighting. You are trying to call him, and he's in the media saying, "Pat's lying, I'm here, I want to be a Bronco, I don't know why they're doing this to me".

What do you do?




Come on MTT, what would you have done?


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10835054 - 08/10/09 06:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing.

Why do you need to talk to him?

Listen, I'm not at all denying that Cutler wanted out of Denver.  Obviously, he felt disrespected that the new coach was attempting to trade for what he (McD) clearly saw as a new starting QB.

Is it understandable that Cutler would be angry?  I think so, given that nearly everyone was completely incredulous that McD would do so.

But listen, Cutler is a fucking kid.  He's younger than me, and I'm immature as fuck.  So he doesn't answer the phone?

Big fucking whoop!  The season is four fucking months away!  Who gives a fuck if you talk to him for a few weeks?

The trade was NOT FUCKING NECESSARY.  Even OTAs were months away!  Do you really think Cutler would have not shown up for camp months later?  Do you think he'd hold the grudge that long?  I sincerely doubt it.

And even if you believe he would have, since you seem to think he's Satan Incarnate, you could have traded him at that point.  You seem to think the Broncos got fleeced by only getting *two* first-round picks for him, so it's hard to see how you think they would have done worse at a later date.

Seriously, nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to make the trade.  It was absolutely immaterial to the situation that Cutler wasn't speaking to them almost four months before the start of the season.  Heaps and gobs of players hold out and don't talk to their team up to the end of the pre-season!

It was a panic move, seen by nearly everyone with a football IQ over the average temperature in a Denver winter to be exceedingly stupid.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #10835206 - 08/10/09 07:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

A. I do not think Denver got fleeced.

B. You have a new coach trying to put in a VERY complex playbook, and your starting QB won't talk to him, and is telling everyone he never will.

C. The owner, who has a actual relationship with Cutler, steps in because it's become a "he said, she said" front page story. Cutler won't answer calls, while all the time telling everyone that the owner is a liar and " I don't know why they are doing this to me". :puke:

The players knew what was up. Captains were brought in. Could Cutler have really come back to that locker room?

Maybe they could have held on to him, forced his hand, but why? The guy PROVED he was willing to bring endless drama, lie and poison the waters all he saw fit in order to get what he wanted. Players like that are the very antithesis of what McDaniel's is about.

You keep him?


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #10835231 - 08/10/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Madtown, you are as obtuse as the prison warden in Shawshank Redemption.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #10835310 - 08/10/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The prison warden in Shawshank was going to be a very rich man except that one incredibly smart motherfucker set him up.  Odds on that?  Not real high.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
    #10835388 - 08/10/09 07:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Denver fans have pretty much forgotten to know what it feels like to have a team without a franchise QB.


They've been spoiled by two decades of Elway.



Now they will find out what it's like.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #10835424 - 08/10/09 07:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Elway retired in 1998. Cutler became a franchise guy last year.


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