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InvisibleMileHiMycophiles
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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: pfxtc]
    #10832089 - 08/10/09 10:58 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

okay okay lemme respond to all of this without any quotations... :grin:

no you can't take any home. on their website... which all of you who show interest should take time to peruse, they explain how it is endangered and it is more blessed to grow than receive. with their license they provide, you CAN legally grow in five states. arizona, new mexico, nevada, washington, and colorado.
they are not native american. the founder is like, half. and seeing that his grandchildren wouldn't be allowed by our racist, um, i GUESS you could call them "religious freedom" laws, to partake in the sacrament because they would not be a quarter indian (funny how religious "freedom" is based on bloodlines). he started the first non-native chapter of the NAC. of course (and i can say this, i'm mixed, scotch irish cherokee mowhawk.) the Native americans may TALK about forgiveness and, "all nature being one" but they don't practice what they preach. they are some of the most biggoted and racist people out there. of course they have reason... but where the FUCK does that leave all us mixed children in this country? all the 1/8ths and 1/16ths? so the NAC kicked him out with his whole charter one year after. so he went to arizona where he could buy land and the laws were freindly enough so he could start a peyote church for all.

it was just for cost of supplies at first, but then, after being indunated with hippies who had no money and just wanted to get high for free, they started charging. they said it's sad they have to play americas game. but through lawsuits from the government, and cheapo's taking advantage of them, they had to start charging. they still accept some people without the fee, but not reporters or doctors or lawyers.... who they get much of. to me, it makes sense. people don't value things they don't pay for. 90% of a teenagers first cars end up in junk yards, not because they are horrible drivers, but because they don't TRY to be good drivers since thier parents bought the car for them. people don't respect free stuff in this country.

back to the peyote way... they offer several sights from which you can purchase seeds, and they give you full detailed instructions for growing them. but the will never sell or give you extra.
if you want the same high, do what homeskillet suggested and get a peruvian torch or san pedro cactus cutting.

they contain only slightly less mesc, and san pedro was named "saint peter" for it holds the keys to heaven. and peruvian torch was named "peru's torch" for it lights the way to enlightenment.

and easy to make an extract if you follow MJshroomers tech over at www.erowid.org in the cactus vault.

do a google search for san pedro or peruvian torch. and first, read wiki. then read erowid. they will come up first. then, scroll down to the "cutting for sale" sights. find a good one, (bouning bear botanicals, should do fine) make sure it's fresh not dried. then order it. "6 inches is $10 "12 is $20 and then price deals if you get more. you can also buy 2 or 3 of them and trip once to twice a year as they grow an inch or two a year, and you need a "6 to "12 inches to make a good extract shot or smoothie.

but THIS peyote way church is if you want to do it indian style without having the "blood right" (such a racist thing, that blood right.)
BTW if you haven't figured it out, the other leaders of this church are a jewish ex rabbi, and a ex mormon. it's so obvious when you read their charter. they say that in the actual church building they have signs from every faith, and never preach. all church "laws" are only suggestions. they say to live how their only true teacher tells you, and that's the peyote.


williamsii! you hit the nail on the head bra....your concerns are mine too... which is why i started this thread.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #10832217 - 08/10/09 11:44 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

here ya'll. for those of you on dial ups who hate changing pages cause it takes so damn long... :laugh:

i remember those days.

this is from www.peyoteway.org:
The Peyote Way Church of God is a non-sectarian, multicultural, experiential, Peyotist organization located in southeastern Arizona, in the remote Aravaipa wilderness. It is not affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Native American Church, or any other religious organizations, though we do accept people from all faiths. Church membership is open to all races. We encourage individuals to create their own rituals as they become acquainted with the great mystery. We believe that the Holy Sacrament Peyote, when taken according to our sacramental procedure and combined with a holistic lifestyle (see Word of Wisdom), can lead an individual toward a more spiritual life.

Peyote is currently listed as a controlled substance and its religious use is protected by Federal law only for Native American members of the Native American Church. Non-Indian Peyote use is protected in five states : AZ, NM, CO, NV, and OR. We do not have access to Peyote where it grows in South Texas and Mexico. As it is an endangered species, we believe an essential and inseparable part of our religious practice is the growing and stewardship of the Holy Sacrament Peyote.

The Church records 140 Associate members and 12 clergy. Vowed clergy members steward church grounds near Klondyke, meeting the church's financial obligations by producing and selling "Mana" black-rimmed earthenware pottery and paintings. The pottery is the work of Rabbi Matthew S. Kent, Rev. Anne L. Zapf and Rev. Immanuel Trujillo. Mana is the secular vehicle and financial arm of the Peyote Way Church of God./i]
The Peyote Way Church of God is a non-sectarian, multicultural, experiential, Peyotist organization located in southeastern Arizona, in the remote Aravaipa wilderness. It is not affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Native American Church, or any other religious organizations, though we do accept people from all faiths. Church membership is open to all races. We encourage individuals to create their own rituals as they become acquainted with the great mystery. We believe that the Holy Sacrament Peyote, when taken according to our sacramental procedure and combined with a holistic lifestyle (see Word of Wisdom), can lead an individual toward a more spiritual life.

Peyote is currently listed as a controlled substance and its religious use is protected by Federal law only for Native American members of the Native American Church. Non-Indian Peyote use is protected in five states : AZ, NM, CO, NV, and OR. We do not have access to Peyote where it grows in South Texas and Mexico. As it is an endangered species, we believe an essential and inseparable part of our religious practice is the growing and stewardship of the Holy Sacrament Peyote.

The Church records 140 Associate members and 12 clergy. Vowed clergy members steward church grounds near Klondyke, meeting the church's financial obligations by producing and selling "Mana" black-rimmed earthenware pottery and paintings. The pottery is the work of Rabbi Matthew S. Kent, Rev. Anne L. Zapf and Rev. Immanuel Trujillo. Mana is the secular vehicle and financial arm of the Peyote Way Church of God./i]

The Spirit Walk


To reach an awareness of the presence of the Holy Light within, we find it necessary to partake of Peyote as the Holy Sacrament. The Spirit Walk is our prescribed manner of partaking of the Holy Sacrament Peyote.

The Spirit Walk is a time of introspection and examination of conscience. It gives the individual a chance to re-evaluate their priorities. Through the Holy Sacrament Peyote, the communicant experiences a loss of selfishness and becomes aware of the god within. This heightened awareness gives the communicant a new perspective of the world and their part in it. Petty squabbles and daily strife become unimportant. Peyote often leaves the communicant glad to be alive and more in touch with the Earth and their deity. The Holy Sacrament Peyote, taken in the Spirit Walk structure, leads one to an orientation towards peaceful resolution of conflicts, empathy towards others, and environmental conscience.

A room will be provided before and after the Spirit Walk. The communicant is advised to be prepared to camp out for the duration of their 8 hour Spirit Walk.


Sleeping quarters for Spirit Walkers
The Spirit Walk is a solitary experience. The presence of another person can be a distraction from prayer and communion with the deity. Should a couple wish to partake of the Holy Sacrament together, we recommend they take a vow of silence for as long as the spirit is upon them. The Spirit Walk communicant must fast for 24 hours on Church land prior to receipt of the Holy Sacrament. The function of the fast is to allow the communicant's body to rest and shed the pressures of conventional lifestyles. During this purification period the communicant may enjoy the quiet grace of Mother Nature on the 160 acres of Sacred Church land.


Spirit Walker's canopy-protected site in Aravaipa landscape
During the fast, the communicant may find a place on Church land where they feel comfortable to partake of the holy sacrament. Enough water for the 8-12 hour experience should be taken to the site, as well as spiritual reading material, a pad and pen (or art supplies--for recording one's thoughts, insights, plans, needs, desires and resolutions or inspired sketching), a warm sleeping bag, hat, flashlight, a lighter or matches and clothes that can be layered to accommodate daily weather changes in the Aravaipa Valley. The Spirit Walk may take place during the day or at night, as this walk is spiritual, not physical. Depending on weather conditions and after obtaining the Church steward's permission, a small fire ring may be made and a fire lit.


Broader view of Spirit Walker's site (white dot in center)
The Holy Sacrament Peyote is taken as a tea, ingested slowly, giving the stomach a chance to adjust to its nauseating effect. Once the nausea is overcome, another sip of tea may be taken, until all the sacrament has been consumed. The communicant must not be in a hurry for results. The Holy Sacrament comes on slowly and wears off gradually. Relax and enjoy the peaceful Aravaipa outback.

Penitence, forgiveness of self and others, renewed confidence, desire for self improvement and improved health and a healthy attitude are all benefits of partaking of the Holy Sacrament Peyote.

For first time Spirit Walks we suggest a $300.00 donation including membership dues. We are asking church members who have previously taken Peyote on church land to make a $300 donation for their Spirit Walk. The church is open Thursday through Monday all year round. No spirit walks are scheduled in November, December, January or February, as we experience winter weather during these months.


Spirit Walker campsite at dawn near end of Walk and beginning of rest of life.


Spirit Walks by appointment only



Spirit Walk Checklist:

Spiritual reading material
Hat with a brim
Sleeping bag
Pen and notebook
Flashlight
Layered clothing (for hot summer days and brisk cool nights)
Lighter or matches
Walking shoes
Water vessel
Food for a small meal after breaking the Spirit Walk fast.
Optional:

Grapefruit
Tent
Cookpot (for making tea over a fire)
Foam pad
Please don't bring:

Tobacco products (for other than ceremonial use)*
Sugar*
Meat*
Coffee*
Alcohol or any other drugs*
Firearms
*We recommend abstention from these addictive substances while on the Spirit Walk, if at all possible.

Mission

The mission of the Peyote Way Church of God is:

To preserve and protect the Holy Sacrament Peyote and its religious use
To make the entheogenic experience available to seekers
To encourage the cooperative spirit among all people
The Peyote Way is a spiritual ethic.

People often want to know what we believe, but our purpose in designing the Peyote Way Church was not to create more dogma. Our purpose was to make the Holy Sacrament Peyote available to seekers in a safe environment. So, when you ask what we believe, our answer may be a bit vague.

What we believe is personal, and we are not interested in forcing our beliefs on anyone else. We also believe that the government has no place inside your conscience.

We focus more on conduct and being present. The mural on the Congregation House depicts symbols of five major religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism. Peyote is available to the communicant regardless of his/her religious preference.
Although the thornless, ground-hugging Peyote cactus grows naturally only in North Central Mexico and a small part of southwestern Texas, there is archaeological evidence that dried Peyote "buttons" were an item of widespread trade among the American Indians of the Southwestern United States as much as 1,000 years ago.

Many mind-altering plants were used by the pre-Colombian Indians for religious purposes, almost universally referred to as "spirit helpers." European conquerors were not sympathetic to such use of Peyote, however, any more than they were to the sacred mushrooms of the Mazatecs or the oliluquoy (a variety of morning glory seed) of the Aztecs.

The cultural gulf between the two world views is still well-illustrated by a single widespread misconception: Americans of European extraction almost universally believe that native shamans or "witch doctors" feed their patients hallucinogenic brews as "medicine." In fact, the almost-universal practice among Native cultures is for the doctor to ritually consume the consciousness-altering drugs in order to perceive, through revelation, the nature of the patient's illness.

Showing little interest in such distinctions, the conquistadors dismissed the resultant states of consciousness as mere "drunkenness," called the sacramental use of the plants "witchcraft," and tried ruthlessly to stamp out the practice. Those sacred or revered plants which were not banned - like tobacco and cocoa - were debased into casual recreations.

Although the natural hallucinogen continued to be used - along with such non-chemical methods as fasting and sweat lodges - by holy men in private, by the early years of this century, anthropologists could find only one tribe where Peyote religious rituals seem to have survived intact from pre-conquest times: the Wixarica or "Huichol." However, in the late 19th century, a new and defiant religion, the Ghost Dance, arose among the last surviving free Indians of the American West. Practitioners danced at night around fires, believing that participation would make the warriors invulnerable to the army's bullets.

It didn't, and many of the surviving leaders of the Ghost Dance became road chiefs of the less-confrontational Peyote churches which began to organize on the reservations around the turn of the century, attempting to recapture Indian spiritualism in a non-violent form, organizing Peyote use into group ritual, often involving the passing of a bowl of Peyote tea during an all night religious ceremony, similar to the practice of the Huichol.

Jonathan Koshiway, a former missionary for the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, was one of the leaders of the Oto Church of the First Born, which in 1914 became the first of several Peyote churches seeking legal incorporation. Koshiway saw no conflict between Christian doctrine and Peyote use. Koshiway eventually split from the Oto Church over its use of tobacco, and became one of the founders of the Native American Church in 1918. All-night meetings of the Native American Church, considered by adherents to represent an "Indian version of Christianity," are generally held on Saturdays, with members partaking of the hallucinogenic sacrament under the guidance of experienced "road chiefs."

The federal government recognizes the use of Peyote by members of the NAC, but grants this exception to the Drug Abuse Control Act of 1965 - which lists Peyote as a Schedule 1 "narcotic" - only for those who can prove 25 percent Indian blood, putting government in the odd position of allowing selective degrees of religious freedom based on racial bloodlines.

Reverend Immanuel Pardeahtan Trujillo, who had joined the NAC in 1948, was central among prominent members of the church who objected to the government's imposition of this racial exclusivity. Trujillo, son of a French mother and San Carlos Apache father, was raised by an adoptive family in New Jersey. Although Trujillo himself is 50 percent Indian, his children are only of 25 percent Indian blood. He testified in court in a Dallas Federal court in 1982 that he feared his grandchildren could "be barred from the church and from partaking of the sacrament" despite his teachings. Thus, Trujillo became a founding member of the "all-race group" within the NAC, consisting mostly of Korean veterans, in the mid-1960s. But the church quickly responded to political pressure and revoked the charter of the all-race group. Trujillo left the NAC in 1966, establishing a church that would eventually evolve into the Peyote Way Church of God.


Trujillo purchased the 160-acre Peaceful Valley Ranch in the isolated Aravaipa Valley in Southeastern Arizona in 1970, on the "backside" of one of the Apaches' most striking sacred sites, Mount Graham. In 1977, the Peyote Way Church of God was founded at the ranch by Trujillo, Right Sister Anne L. Zapf, and Rabbi Matthew S. Kent, for the specific purpose of "stewarding, ingesting, distributing and growing the Holy Sacrament Peyote as the essential and inseparable part" of the members' religious beliefs.

Much of the dietary doctrine of the Peyote Way Church is drawn from Mormonism, and particularly from Section 89 of the Doctrine and Covenants of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which Church members interpret as prohibiting alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, and foods containing white sugar or white flour, as well as sharply restricting the use of meat to "times of famine and excess hunger."

Church members see no conflict between Smith's "Word of Wisdom" and the ingestion of Peyote, since they distinguish between the casual, unsanctified use of purified pharmaceutical "drugs" and the ingestion of whole complex plants like the Peyote cactus in the pursuit of spiritual enlightenment. In fact, Smith's Word of Wisdom specifically states "Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving."

Joseph Smith taught that the Christian canon was incomplete and thus necessitated the reopening of the "windows of heaven." He also taught that it was the ability to "comprehend by the inspiration of Almighty God," which distinguishes the human from the beast. The Peyote Way Church of God teaches that direct religious revelation remains available to anyone who seeks it, and is directly beneficial providing it is sought in the right spirit./i]

and i loved this people. this poem is awesome whether you like the church or not.

Revelation One

We believe that people all over the world have the benefit of sacramental plants growing in their vicinity. At one time, many tribal groups used these sacraments to create social order and guide their lives, and some still do. There are Biblical references to soma, which some people believe to be the sacred mushroom, and a great deal of Hindu art features the datura plant winding around Shiva's hair. There are those who believe sacred texts are full of references to marijuana as the "burning bush." Although we have a preference to Peyote as our Holy Sacrament, we recognize and acknowledge that others hold other plants to be sacred. In the following revelation, we honor each of them.

Listen to the people who have the knowledge of the sacred plants.
Hear the words of the people who hold the sacraments of Peyote,
Marijuana,
the Holy Mushrooms
and all the other plant,
animal,
or any other thing or way that brings us
closer to an experience of Oneness.
Open your ears to what they have to say
and save yourselves from the foolishness of temporal ways.
Hemp is a holy and essential plant.
Listen to the Hemp people.
The Hemp people will show you the way out of the darkness we have made.
Be good to each other.
There is enough trouble in the world.
Night will always follow day.
Prepare while you can and give thanks at the end of the day
to the source of all
and you will be free.
No greed, no possessions, no fear.
Treasure life while you have it.
It is as fragile as a piece of pottery.
There is no ultimate condemnation.
The judgments that we make
and execute upon each other are all vain
and have no real value
in spiritual realms.
Earth is our Mother,
Sky is our Father.
We are the children of that union
and all things visible and invisible
are as well.
Celebrate the gift of Life.
Share it.
Sustain it while you can.
Forgiveness is what we should be busy doing to each other.
Love is what we're here for.
We all end up becoming plants.
From animal, to mineral, to vegetable...
Plants are our teachers and healers.
Listen to the plants and let them be your medicine.
The directors of petro-chemical/drug companies
are the conspiring men
of whom we have been forewarned
by the Word of Wisdom.
Herbs of the earth are the only true way to health.
We are of the Earth and the Sky.
Animals are our friends.
They are here to teach us and to help.
They are not here to be wantonly destroyed
without need.
They are truly divine.
They have no prejudgment.
Only the divine is completely
unprejudiced.
The way of the divine is the path to
freedom.
Listen to the medicine people.
Cherish what you have at this moment.
As long as you are truthful you will never have a need to look back.
Do not be afraid.
Death is a door that opens.


and for more information once again... shoot thru their website. i'm fascinated damn it. they even have the scripts of their lawsuits and court proceedings with Dr. Andrew Weil giving testimony on thier behalf here


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #10832231 - 08/10/09 11:50 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Of course the smiley was sarcastic, I live in California where their right to get married was actually taken away :shrug:




Glad to hear it.  Sorry to question, it's just that it is hard to interpret sarcasm in written text.

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Not very respectful? The seeds don't 'belong' to anybody, their seeds, nature's gift to us all.




My point is that the people selling these seeds as a product may construe this as stealing.

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You're bigging much too critical of things - we all need to make money, they're just playing the card they were dealt.




Sounds like they set it up themselves and were not 'dealt' anything.  $300 sounds extortionate to me.  The high price might have something to do with there being a captive market rather than just 'trying to get by.'  Also, any religious orginisation based on charging its congregants and members deserves the highest level of scrutiny.  It does not make the church safer just because peyote is involved.

MileHiMycophiles: are the plants wild or planted?

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you can also buy 2 or 3 of them and trip once to twice a year as they grow an inch or two a year




More like 12" a year when well established (although it has more to do with an increase of mass than height).

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the founder is like, half. and seeing that his grandchildren wouldn't be allowed by our racist, um, i GUESS you could call them "religious freedom" laws, to partake in the sacrament because they would not be a quarter indian (funny how religious "freedom" is based on bloodlines).



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but THIS peyote way church is if you want to do it indian style without having the "blood right" (such a racist thing, that blood right.)




This church is breaking the law then, yes?

Are you involved with the preparation of the tea?  Do you see how much gets put in?


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: Williamsii]
    #10832357 - 08/10/09 12:35 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

wow they really grow that fast? can we pm? i'd love to talk to you about the legal cati's more, williamsii.

and no, they are not breaking the law. in those five states afore mentioned, it's legal REGARDLESS of bloodline to practice true religious freedom.

and yes, they do charge ALOT. they will drop $100 off the price if you arrange to work for them.

but it's still sucks for how much they charge. it looks to me as if it was a great idea... and then they got jaded.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #10832361 - 08/10/09 12:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

oh yeah.... they totally let you see the plants, the farm, the tea making, everything.


there's no cloister once you pay. so it's half good, half bad from waht i can tell.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #10832465 - 08/10/09 01:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah sure, shoot me any questions you like in a PM.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: Williamsii]
    #10832478 - 08/10/09 01:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

sorry if this is off topic

Are trichocereus species ever used or cultivated by the NAC or Peyote Way?
and how would the laws providing exemption for religious use for NAC and Peyote Way members apply to the use or cultivation of trichocereus species.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: Williamsii]
    #10832506 - 08/10/09 01:13 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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the Native americans may TALK about forgiveness and, "all nature being one" but they don't practice what they preach. they are some of the most biggoted and racist people out there. of course they have reason... but where the FUCK does that leave all us mixed children in this country? all the 1/8ths and 1/16ths? so the NAC kicked him out with his whole charter one year after.


my friend looks native but he is not a member of a federally recognized tribe, his ancestors came from a mexican indigenous group.  - technically it is illegal under the same law for him to use peyote. and yet he does participate in praying with the medicine. and i will get to participate as well despite that i am not native.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #10832536 - 08/10/09 01:21 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)



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$300 sounds extortionate to me.  The high price might have something to do with there being a captive market rather than just 'trying to get by.'




there is indeed a captive market. entheotourism is rampant in other parts of the world like mexico and south america. it's huge business. people will pay a lot of money to try a new experience and for lodging and food while they undergo their adventures. these plant medicines are sold/bought like a commodity. you can buy ayahuasca in markets in iquitos. you can go to real de catorce and pay a guide to take you to the desert to pluck peyote (and possibly die). kind of strange but such is the imbalance that exists in our world today.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #10832627 - 08/10/09 01:44 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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my friend looks native but he is not a member of a federally recognized tribe, his ancestors came from a mexican indigenous group.  - technically it is illegal under the same law for him to use peyote. and yet he does participate in praying with the medicine. and i will get to participate as well despite that i am not native. 




touche, my brother. i should clarify that not all native americans are hostile and racist. but it's like with all ethnic groups. ist present and hurts those of us that don't fit into any category.

but i would love it if i could find this same thing. this same... opportunity or gift. perhaps i should check out my local NAC branch. i have not been so lucky.

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Are trichocereus species ever used or cultivated by the NAC or Peyote Way?
and how would the laws providing exemption for religious use for NAC and Peyote Way members apply to the use or cultivation of trichocereus species




what a fucking awesome question. :smirk: seriously, they are used for the same purposes by different people. could not the NAC start a branch of the church that prayed with trichocereus instead of williamsii? it would... be amazing. i'm in correspondence with peyote way right now, and i think i should now drop an email to the national NAC and ask this. wow. that's fucking brilliant sherm...

of course they might object saying their not the same thing.... but any religion that gets caught up in rules and comparisons and money gathering just for the sake of it, disproves themselves...
and this might be the case for peyote way. i have, as i afore mentioned, queried them about this, and am still waiting on a response from anne.

this is my email. i tried to keep any accusations or assumptions out of it and be polite. ya'll pardon my

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you said in an article that it was once a cheaper service. in fact, just a few short years ago you only charged $200 and $40 for a membership. i understand the prices are all gowing up everywhere, and that, apparently you have to pay for some hefty court proceedings from what i've read. but you claim that you're almost at max compasity in one article (the one where the reporter wanted to just "trip for free" grrrrr. that guy was a jerk) but you said that, and then the rabbi said "there's a person doing a free spirit walk right now, we worked it out, but people don't appreciate what they don't pay for. now we get doctors, and lawyers...."

i understand wanting to keep the lazzy hippy type bums from taking advantage of you. but should we, all being precious children of the earth Mother and sky Father, not be careful that we don't become jaded and too drawn into this game of money and success that is killing america?

i am not saying that i would ever need to come for free. but you claim it is done. and if you don't work with the truely sincere people... are you not contradicting some of your mission as stated on your website?
and no, i'm really really not trying to be rude or shiesty. life is SO hard these days. and i am trying to live organically, which is expensive. and i am a father. and i am self employed. which in this wonderful country (but horrible administration) self employed gets taxed more. plus i am fighting legallities from when i was younger and went to jail for standing up for my beleif in cannibis as a holy substance.

in short i'm barely getting by financially. so if you are all struggling and on the brink of losing it all... then it is my DUTY as your brother to pay all i can to assist you. but if, by chance, you have overlooked your original mission a bit due to pesky reporters and advantage taking people.... then please, i just ask you to not make your desicion about me until you have prayed about it. offer it to the sacrament. i will do what it says.

i believe all plants are holy. some (poisonous) are SO holy, they will take you to the deathly door that opens immediantly.

by the way, the poem that is on your sight... a revelation? ..."listen to the hemp people..."

i am that. the plants are my saints. the earth is my mother, the sky is my father.... and we are siblings.





anyway, she said she would charge $200.00 if i arranged a work stay. that's not bad i feel.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #10832834 - 08/10/09 02:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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i don't think they are Native Americans at peyote way. correct me if i'm wrong.





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    #10833434 - 08/10/09 04:35 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

so, i found a sight while researching my mohican/munsee/cherokee blood... and this guy puts it pretty plainly. and he's right, no matter how Peyote Way church justifies it. nobody with any native influence would EVER charge for a spiritual service, and no true native would ever induct an interested party into his religion over the internet.

so this may be spritual, but so is getting peyote anywhere and praying with it with sincerety. okay, after two days of research, i declare them to be useing something holy to make money. or they wouldn't be so quick to say no if you didn't have the money. which they did to me. "too bad!"

the earth is your mother. period. that's not spiritual, it's fact. if by mother, we mean, "that from whence we came." and so, these entheogens are supposed to be free and medicinal. these people are doing a very evil thing if you look at it this way. no better than drug dealers. if when i emailed them, they were quicker to offer assistance because they beleived all the beautiful things on their sight, then i wouldn't think this.... but basically they aren't practicing what they preach. once you can see hypocrisy and money hunger in a religion... it's all gone. it's just another false messiah.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #15762930 - 02/05/12 03:25 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I live close to Austin, Tx. How can I find a contact? It's so fucking ridiculous how the Native American's are the only ones who can take peyote because of their religion, but those who aren't NA cannot possess peyote for their religion. Why the fuck not, because their religion is better? Because they were doing it long before the laws were passed? At least Torch/Bridgesii is not illegal.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: AlexandrSupertramp]
    #15763478 - 02/05/12 10:30 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

A couple of points:

MileHiMycophiles, I just spent 15 minutes staring into spongebob's eyes, thanks a lot, I'll never get that time back.

Secondly, I don't think 3hundy is too much, and I don't think they are a money making venture. If so, then they wouldn't be asking people to abstain from bringing tobacco, meats, sugar, coffee, etc.. and they wouldn't request people fast for 24 hours.

The more restrictions they place on people, the more they limit the type of person that is willing to come and partake. Obviously they believe in what they are doing. If they were only in it for the money, or motivated by money, they'd say "bring whatever you like, hell bring firecrackers with you, as long as you bring your checkbook, we're fine with whatever."

These guys are legit.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: bollocks]
    #15763596 - 02/05/12 11:15 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I, too, was looking into this spirit walk offered while living in Arizona.  Thought it wasn't the way I would like to experience the peyote.  So I dug around online findings a supplier of 'the divine cactus' seeds and successfully ordered some.
I also had supply of 2C-B and 2C-T-7, which I consider mescaline's family member.
While in Arizona, I met a full blooded native American who shared his grandfathers peyote vision.  The vision peaked with the grandfather seeing a tree as his wife's face, noticing a disturbing image within her dome.  Later, at the doctors office... gosh darn.  I forgot what that thing is called.  ?  ... was found and successfully removed.
I know I will remember what that thing is called here in the near future.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: HugaDeadHead]
    #15772891 - 02/07/12 11:06 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I was really excited when I found the Peyote Way Church online.
Unfortunately I contacted them multiple times over a few months with no response.
Last year they lost one of their founders and haven't posted news in over 6 months.

I really hope they get things together, it sounds like a wonderful place.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #18266405 - 05/15/13 12:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I know this is quite old but I'm interested in how ya'll proceeded after those posts? I'm thinking about getting the card but MileHi, totally made me think about the price vs what they preach. Personally, I use money to buy things but I don't believe in capitalism or the monetary system we use at this moment, so I could use this membership to practice my own beliefs. As far as the price, I saw a little tiny button, about an inch maybe an inch and a half across, about a dozen pups around it, and it was 6 years old! It was sooo small and sooo much older than I had expected, I'm not surprised they charge so much for so many years put in. As well as Medical Marijuana cards are about that per year, it's just the price we have to pay for putting up with such a convoluted system. If We, meaning anyone who uses these substances and believes in Peace and Love towards all beings, got up all at once and said "fuck no!, that's bull shit and doesn't make sense, this is how we're gonna do it." The "higher" ups would have nothing to do but bend to the will of what would be the majority.
Also, I would plan to grow my own, I'm not in a hurry to eat Peyote.

I'm also curious, I read on the ONAC website that Mushrooms, Ayahuasca and other Natural "spiritual herbs" are covered by their card/membership, anyone know if this is legit?


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
    #18267659 - 05/15/13 09:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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i'm mixed scotch




you must be a big hit at parties!


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: paulhogandog]
    #18267708 - 05/15/13 09:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i don't know.. every native American I have met in Arizona are not the type of person I could enable myself to trust sober, granted I have never been on a reservation but there's a reason for that too.

I would buy some SP or p.torch or bridgesii some lye some xylene or tulene and some acetone, extract your own and set up your own ceremony, and save a few hundred buck's.


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Re: Peyote Way Church... Legit Peyote use for all? for a price. is this a scam? [Re: bishlap]
    #18267811 - 05/15/13 10:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Money isn't an object to me, no I'm not loaded, I just think it's silly to limit ones self based on something that is so meaningless, in the grand scheme of it all. Anyways, there's a HUGE difference between San Pedro resin, Mescaline HCL and Peyote. As well as I like the legal security. Which a lot of people seem to think is a waste of money. I just wanna know if anyone knows if other things such as aya and mush are protected by the law that the NAC and PW fall under.
I'm gonna get a membership card, even if it cost me $500, if I had one sketchy incident that I was saved from due to the card, well that's completely worth that $500, and it's not $500, it's $50, the spirit walks are expensive, but grow your own cacti and then what's so expensive about ensuring your ass doesn't go to jail for something like sacramental use.


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