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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
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whattheheck said:
zappaisgod said:
The Yankees?



No.


That's pretty dumb since they make the most money and have won the most championships.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
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He hates that they make money, you forget.

Probably that they win, also.

And he's probably unable to fathom how they can pull it off without McDaniels as their manager.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
He hates that they make money, you forget.

Probably that they win, also.

And he's probably unable to fathom how they can pull it off without McDaniels as their manager.


:rofl2:

Just think how dominant they could have been if they had McDaniels.  Probably would have led to a Congressional investigation.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
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No, he would have tried to bring in Alex Rios to play third because he fits the "system" better and A-Rod would've gotten mad and McDaniels would have forced Cashman to trade him for Willie Aybar.

I can see it now.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
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hey all im saying is,  in any system,  Kyle Orton is not a better fit than Jay Cutler.



Cutler is clearly the better QB, and hes just starting to his his stride.


Orton had a decent year last year, which was surprising.  But Cutler's produced consistent numbers, solid QB rating throughout his career.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Why are you replying to me?


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
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whoops

ZAPPA GET OUTTA THE WAY  :p


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
No, he would have tried to bring in Alex Rios to play third because he fits the "system" better and A-Rod would've gotten mad and McDaniels would have forced Cashman to trade him for Willie Aybar.

I can see it now.



You are, ONCE AGAIN, twisting the facts to try and prove a point that you otherwise could not make. The fall out between Jay and McD had already happened when McD made the inquiry for Cassel. Bus and jay used that as the "reason" that Jay "needed" to be traded.

You still, as far as I know, have not answered my question. You are Pat Bowlen, a dignified human and above reproach by every available standard, and your QB and coach are fighting. You are trying to call him, and he's in the media saying, "Pat's lying, I'm here, I want to be a Bronco, I don't know why they're doing this to me".

What do you do?


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said:
He hates that they make money, you forget.

Probably that they win, also.

And he's probably unable to fathom how they can pull it off without McDaniels as their manager.


I have no problem with them making money, it's how they spend it and mess up MLB with their nonsense, and I ALWAYS put the Cubs, Sox and Dodgers right there with them.


As far as McDaniels goes, well. when A-Rod or Jeter doesn't show up for spring training and starts claiming that Steinbrenner isn't trying to call him, that they keep reaching for their phone and there's no miss calls, then we'll talk.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
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whattheheck said:
Madtowntripper said:
He hates that they make money, you forget.

Probably that they win, also.

And he's probably unable to fathom how they can pull it off without McDaniels as their manager.


I have no problem with them making money, it's how they spend it and mess up MLB with their nonsense, and I ALWAYS put the Cubs, Sox and Dodgers right there with them.


How have they messed up baseball?  Baseball has a greater diversity of winners than football.  In the last 32 championships (since MLB free agency) 18 different teams (out of 30; 60%) have won a WS title with only one team having more than 2.  In the NFL only 14 different teams (out of 32; 44%) have won and 3 teams have done it 4 times and 3 teams have done it 3 times.

A further analysis of standard deviations also supports the case that the NFL is more top heavy.  There are 30 MLB teams.  Examining the last 30 years and assuming perfectly even distribution puts the mean # of championships at 1 exactly.  The standard deviation for all baseball is 0.83.  For the last 32 years of the NFL with 32 teams the standard deviation is 1.09.  By that metric baseball is 1.3 times as diverse in it's championships than the NFL.

Then we have the specific example of the Yankees.  In the last 30 years they have won 5 times (17%) or, if you prefer, 6 out of 32 (19%).  That is significantly lower than their historical success which stands at exactly 25%.  Of course, for many of those years there were fewer teams but their dominance is clearly not a function of their free agent activity.  They had 20 championships before free agency.  One other team (St. L) had 8 and 3 other teams had 5 {Red Sox, Philadelphia A's and Giants).  (If you combine Oakland and Phila. you get 8 championships pre-FA)

I decline to do this analysis for the NBA but I suspect it is even more concentrated than the NFL.
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As far as McDaniels goes, well. when A-Rod or Jeter doesn't show up for spring training and starts claiming that Steinbrenner isn't trying to call him, that they keep reaching for their phone and there's no miss calls, then we'll talk.


Baseball players don't worry about that shit because they have guaranteed contracts which they negotiate freely (after a certain number of years).  Football players need more coddling because they have no security and little freedom.

Face it.  You started with a premise born of animosity for the Yankees and an irrational hatred of success and extended that to a false conclusion not borne out by facts.

You reckon we're far enough off topic yet?


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
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why the hell are you guys talking about baseball?



fuck baseball


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
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just as a rebuttal to what you were saying previously....



despite the conflict they had, mcD has to realize something.


he may be the coach, but he's also  the NEW guy.  HES the one coming into a team which had already developed a repoire with each other.


The Broncos were on to something last year.  They finally had certain aspects of their offense clicking again, despite the horrendous carousel at RB.



McD comes into a system, without any respect whatsoever for what had been built over the past few seasons.


He wasn't even in his place to even HAVE a personal conflict with Jay Cutler.




You didn't see Mike Tomlin coming into Pittsburgh and bossing Ben Roethlisburger around about changing up the systems and giving Dick Lebeau  the boot, in order to take over plays at D coordinator.




McD fucked up.  He tried to bring the patriots magic with him instead of trying to respect and work with what he had available.



Now he's stuck with Kyle Orton, and it's his own damn fault.


Jay Cutler is going to continue to perform better and better.  Last year he looked to continue to improve.  And finally with a team that has a bonified defense, and one of the best up and coming RB's in the league...



The closest thing the bears have ever had to a franchise QB was Jim McMahan.  SO of course they will know how to appreciate Jay Cutler in ways he was never appreciated in Denver.  It's no secret how Denver fans used to rag on him non stop.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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The Broncos were on to something last year.  :lol:


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: zappaisgod]
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The reality is that every Yankees fan that I ever met where I grew up, and there were only 15-20, were the BIGGEST ares holes in the world. It wasn't just my observation either.

I had no reason to dislike the Yankees growing up, they sucked, but I loved Don Mattingly :shrug:


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: LiquidSmoke]
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Again, I can see why Jay was upset, but the way he handled it, and the way he handles himself at times, shows what his real heart is.

And with all due respect, the broncos were NO WHERE near what the Steelers were when McD showed up. They haven't won a playoff game in a decade, and really could have easily gone 4-12 last year. The roster is paper thin and the defense is about as bad as you can get in the NFL.

Jay can play, but I had problems with his playing style, for my taste, long before there were issues with him. I'm glad he's gone. I never thought I would see it happen.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
The Broncos were on to something last year.  :lol:



:foreheadslap:


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
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whattheheck said:
They haven't won a playoff game in a decade.



They beat the Patriots in the Divisional round playoffs in 2005.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
whattheheck said:
They haven't won a playoff game in a decade.



They beat the Patriots in the Divisional round playoffs in 2005.



At a couple of the sites I went to, that win was omitted. I stand corrected.

Okay, in the past 10 years and months, they've won 1 playoff game. But getting rid of Shanahan was a bad move, he was THIS close to making something happen.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
The Broncos were on to something last year.  :lol:





Last time i checked, they were leading their division going into the final week of the season.



Brandon Marshall is also disgruntled with the new coaching staff.  It was only a couple weeks ago he was also demanding a trade.


Which makes me think also that it was less Cutler being the problem.


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Re: Jay Cutler dissing Denver fans [Re: whattheheck]
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whattheheck said:
But getting rid of Shanahan was a bad move,


As an utterly dispassionate observer of all things pony related I agree.  I don't know how close he was, and we never will know, but it struck me as a change for change's sake move with a side order of "not so smart".


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