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the bizzle
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: heirofgrace]
#10797060 - 08/04/09 07:07 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL an abomination to the lord? are you FUCKING serious?
Innocent magic is stronger than evil, my friend
like I said before, your idea of original sin makes baby jesus cry
Your God and the blackness that destroys it all are one and the same.
Why hate on something that has such obvious healing potential, just because it can get scary. Fear is a lie, and you are buying into it. You are using an idea given to you to justify your fears.
You don't think Jesus ate mushrooms? or at least would approve of them, as well as marijuana. These things have caused me to care about God more than ANY religion or teaching ever could. In fact, before them, I used to wear upside down crosses on my tshirts...now my whole life is devoted to "God", or "Truth" as I sometimes prefer to call it, and I strive to be more like Jesus, more loving towards humanity, the earth, the universe, etc.
But like the child I was before, I still know fear-mongering when I see it.
I could go on about what my beliefs about direct experience spirituality vs. your bible, but then that is only based on my own experience, and I wouldn't want to sound like I have the authority to tell you what the truth is, because I don't.
"You can't sing this song when you've forsaken all you love." I dont think you thought about that one hard enough
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the bizzle
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: the bizzle]
#10797119 - 08/04/09 07:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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God is only on your side when you realize that God is not on your side
"Cosmic love is ruthless and highly indifferent. It teaches it's lessons whether you like them or not."
"black was the color of the crashing wave that set me free. The universe is a monster can't you see? This wilderness of stars never loved thee"
and yet Truth = Love
  
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heirofgrace
Titus 2:11-14; 3:3-7
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: the bizzle]
#10797160 - 08/04/09 07:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shrooms turned you from wearing upside crosses to actually enjoying thoughts of God and imitating Jesus? I will accept that. About two years ago shrooms turned me around from an inevitable, final separation.. to realizing my wife is irreplaceable. An especially good realization when we already had two children.
However, my continued use did not continue to make me closer to God. When a man is high and his head is alight with psychedelic flame, supposedly knowing all things, there isn't any room left for Christ to be everything He is. And Christ will not take whatever you give him, as the following verse implies.
Mark 8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
There was a time when Jesus rebuked Peter, when Peter tried to dissuade Jesus from suffering and dying. Jesus said "Get behind me Satan!" and He also added this, "For you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."
I believe that if you would try to persuade the Lord Jesus Christ to eat shrooms with you, you might find a similar reply.
But you know what? You can do what you want, I'm not going to bother you about it. And if I have, I will try my best not to. Only it may be difficult when everything is posted publicly, but you will have to live with that.
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the bizzle
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: heirofgrace]
#10797175 - 08/04/09 07:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you have some concepts twisted...give me a minute to respond...
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the bizzle
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: heirofgrace]
#10797214 - 08/04/09 08:10 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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heirofgrace said: However, my continued use did not continue to make me closer to God. When a man is high and his head is alight with psychedelic flame, supposedly knowing all things, there isn't any room left for Christ to be everything He is.
I wouldn't say "knowing all things", but being in the all-knowing moment. But any fool can come to realize that you are not intended to be on mushrooms 24 hours of the day (and you never know everything). Nor are you intended to make children with your wife 24 hours of the day. That does not imply there is anything wrong with those things. You have to develop a sense of balance.
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Mark 8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.
What are you saying here? who is He? are you saying that Jesus, while still alive, told people to use the cross as a symbol of following God? or is he saying that to carry a cross to persecute him with would be to deny himself of the truth? Or is that Mark saying that you should follow Mark? I need to know the context of this statement in order for it to hold any bearing.
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There was a time when Jesus rebuked Peter, when Peter tried to dissuade Jesus from suffering and dying. Jesus said "Get behind me Satan!" and He also added this, "For you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."
here is where you have things totally backwards. Mushrooms can be very much like dying. You ego and sense of self dies, and you LOSE your interests that are man's interest, and humbly make yourself a vessel for God's work.
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I believe that if you would try to persuade the Lord Jesus Christ to eat shrooms with you, you might find a similar reply.
How do you know that I have not had visions just as the people of the bible have? I am absolutely certain that what I have seen is truth, I have had revelations about Jesus. and yet I know that I am no authority on anything, so I will keep those things to myself. They can only be affirmed through my own experience, they could not possibly be proven to you or anybody else, at least not as of yet. I can promise you though, that what I am doing has positive intentions and is devotion to God.
I just happen to know that if I say Jesus motherfucker god damn, I'm not going to hell. Because I have God in my heart, or as an atheist might view it, positive intent, and I strive to be what truth (God) would want me to be. Not out of selfish reasons either, because I feel obligated and a responsibility towards the force that has given me the gift of life.
Be careful of YOUR OWN (or any human's for that matter) embellishments and interpretations of words and symbols. They are often distorted. Life is a life-long process of striving to clear this distortion.
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: the bizzle]
#10797378 - 08/04/09 09:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heirofgrace, you seem to be very helter skelter.
You came on this site a month ago after being MIA for months,
talking about taking mushrooms, LSA, and cannibus recently.
Do you feel that you have reached some kind of epiphany,
or might you have been looking for this all along:
a recreational verification that for what you are searching in life
could not be found in psychedelics?
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the bizzle
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
#10797523 - 08/04/09 09:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love your signature
"I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
I was not offended"
that pretty much captures everything
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: heirofgrace]
#10797693 - 08/04/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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the bizzle said: the reason we say you push your beliefs on people is because you talk so much about the bible (even where there is no reason to), as if it is the ultimate and exclusive source of truth. Maybe not exactly that, but you don't realize the air of ego that comes with those kind of preachy statements.
you should read a book written by the dalai-lama, not only does he say that you shouldn't ask anybody to change their religion, but he talks about how Buddha would change the style of his teachings depending on the people he was talking to. He knew if he came off as preachy, no enlightenment would truly be shared.
Everybody is so different...you could say "THIS IS THE SECRET TO EVERYTHING", and hardly anybody would get anything out of it, because people truly only listen to or learn from things that they are ready for. There is no single ladder of knowledge either; what I mean is that everybody is coming from a completely different perspective. A heavy metal or a rap song could help one person find god and not the other, and vice versa, not because either of them are any greater or lesser, but simply because they find meaning in different ways, and are open to different things at different times.
There are some key gems of musicians and texts that take me higher than anything, and I really wish I could share that with the world, but I know that they just aren't going to get what I get out of it. It doesn't mean the meaning and magic isn't there, it just means that experience is relative.
I understand. And I also empathize. And I readily admit that sometimes I have said things here that weren't in the right spirit or disposition. I can't change it, once it's been done, but I do regret it.
But above all, I regret coming on here, acting spiritual, like I'm the convergence of two of the greatest things in the universe, Christ, and Psilocybin mushrooms. Sounds like a joke, but I'm totally serious. And for that reason, the total absurdity of combining the two, and the love I have for my wife and children, the hatred I have for my sin, because it has caused me to walk in darkness, I will have nothing more to do with "magic" mushrooms. They are the lie in my hand, an idol of my heart, an abomination to the Lord.
Isaiah 44:20 He feeds on ashes; a deceived heart has turned him aside and he cannot deliver himself, nor say, "Is there not a lie in my right hand?"
All I need is Christ.
Get a grip mate.
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The Centre
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: monkeyheaven]
#10798815 - 08/04/09 01:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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heirofgrace said: so you are saying you're an atheist because you don't believe in God, but you're spiritual because you participate in rituals?
You're correct on the athiest point, but oversimplified why I identify with the spiritual label.
I said I enjoy participating in the rituals, agree with certain religious principles, & incorporated some happy hindu chanting into my parenting.
I also touched on my reverence for different religions, and how this effects my world view.
I pray, chant, have my kids blessed by priests at our family shrine, and burn incense at the grave of dead family at our temple.
I find it fun, invigorating, and sometimes emotional on such a level that can only be described as spiritual.
I sure as hell don't believe in god, heaven, hell, karma, or spirits, though!
Does that clarify a little? I appreciate your interest, most people don't really care.
Also, to tie this back into your original post, athiests can indeed see all sorts of things with a sense of awe & reverence while using psychedelics. There is no reason to think that they're missing the point or anything, you've just got to open your mind a little bit to allow their way of seeing things to be valid. If you disdainfully invalidate the experiences of others, clinging to this negativity can't be healthy. Do you believe in vibes?
I find it confoundingly obvious there is God! I just find people don't have a clue who or what he is. In the very least, God is the universe, everything, and the infinite eternity of it all. Or he could be more than that (which is inconcievable, yet all is possible.), the creator of this infinite realm. All I know is he exists, who, or what he is, I do not know, or at least am able to put in words.
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Liquid Time
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: The Centre]
#10799065 - 08/04/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Centre said: I find it confoundingly obvious there is God! I just find people don't have a clue who or what he is. In the very least, God is the universe, everything, and the infinite eternity of it all.
If God is everything, then WTF is the point of calling it God? It's just an argument of labels. I think the word "god" should be reserved for supernatural concepts for the sake of avoiding confusion.
A buddy of mine believes God exists in everything as energy. I agree with him that the entire universe is essentially just made up of energy, and all matter in fact has energy (or is a form of it) as shown by E=mc^2. I also am starting to suspect that the all parts of the universe arranged as wholes within each other, like fractals, from subatomic particles to groups of galaxies, etc., have some sort of consciousness. But even if THAT were true, I still think calling all of it God is totally meaningless.
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Shad0w
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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: Liquid Time]
#10799240 - 08/04/09 02:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Centre said: I find it confoundingly obvious there is God! I just find people don't have a clue who or what he is. In the very least, God is the universe, everything, and the infinite eternity of it all.
If God is everything, then WTF is the point of calling it God? It's just an argument of labels. I think the word "god" should be reserved for supernatural concepts for the sake of avoiding confusion.
A buddy of mine believes God exists in everything as energy. I agree with him that the entire universe is essentially just made up of energy, and all matter in fact has energy (or is a form of it) as shown by E=mc^2. I also am starting to suspect that the all parts of the universe arranged as wholes within each other, like fractals, from subatomic particles to groups of galaxies, etc., have some sort of consciousness. But even if THAT were true, I still think calling all of it God is totally meaningless.
Well, -who- was worried about wether it was called "god" or not until YOU said something about it. I think we were all fairly in agreement on -what- God meant....... just not exactly what/who it is/was/will be................etc
"I want my lawyer, my tailor, my servants, even my wife to believe in God, because it means that I shall be cheated and robbed and cuckolded less often. ... If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." [Voltaire]
Has anyone read this quote before?
BTW, I believe in God. I am just not so SURE about the whole Jesus thing. Sure. I think he was an awesome guy, he told the truth....... AND... HE -might- be the son of God....
So I should automatically believe that He Is God?
ORrRrRr I can suspend the jump in logic, assuming that God is merciful enough , that if I MAKE A DOGMATIC mistake based on a "might be" that contridicts other verses which imply GOD IS NOT MAN, or that no other Gods should be taken beyond YHWH.
I think God will forgive me for being less than guillable.
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otherwhitemeat

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Re: Shrooms and the Presence of God [Re: heirofgrace]
#10809414 - 08/06/09 01:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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heirofgrace said:About two years ago shrooms turned me around from an inevitable, final separation.. to realizing my wife is irreplaceable. An especially good realization when we already had two children.
Judge a tree by its fruits.
The shrooms didn't show you your wife was irreplaceable. They were a tool, a gesture you employed to seize hold of and nurture the truth of your love and obligation to your wife and children.
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heirofgrace said:There was a time when Jesus rebuked Peter, when Peter tried to dissuade Jesus from suffering and dying. Jesus said "Get behind me Satan!" and He also added this, "For you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."
I believe that if you would try to persuade the Lord Jesus Christ to eat shrooms with you, you might find a similar reply.
I think it's infinitely presumptuous, ultimately idolatrous, to "believe" you know how you would spend time with Jesus embodied, whether he would be riding a bicycle or not, and whether, indeed, this doesn't happen all the time without your knowledge. "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Shrooms could help ET get home, is what I'm saying.
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heirofgrace said:But above all, I regret coming on here, acting spiritual, like I'm the convergence of two of the greatest things in the universe, Christ, and Psilocybin mushrooms. Sounds like a joke, but I'm totally serious. And for that reason, the total absurdity of combining the two, and the love I have for my wife and children, the hatred I have for my sin, because it has caused me to walk in darkness, I will have nothing more to do with "magic" mushrooms. They are the lie in my hand, an idol of my heart, an abomination to the Lord.
It may be that you idolize shrooms, and you should maybe deal with that. That you cast them as an abomination, an idol, a lie etc. independent of the ideas you yourself have dressed them with is a different matter. Judge a tree by its fruits, not by the pie you bake from them.
If they have helped you, they may help you again. They are a tool, like every other thing in creation potentially, only one shrouded in taboo and fear for its power. Perfect love casts out fear.
i think you may be trapped in a non-evolving, self-referential belief system. remember, christianity is barely 2000 years old, a blip unless you subscribe to the universe-is-5000-years-old strain of bible-thumping brain damage.
Edited by otherwhitemeat (08/06/09 01:41 AM)
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