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 Fcuerkt
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 Population growth out of control! 
#1080750 - 11/24/02 12:32 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everybody knows that the human population is growing super-fast, but what's to be done about it? Sterilization? Mass killings every 7 years? Will the problem work itself out? Maybe we'll have a huge nuclear war and everything will work out.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1080767 - 11/24/02 12:38 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not sure if the population levels are increasing in rich countries. The first step would be to stop the capitalists raping and devastating Africa so people didn't need to have 10 kids in the hope that one will reach adulthood and be able to provide for them.
Stop forcing the Africans to grow and export crops for us instead of feeding themselves, drop the debt and stop arming and installing dictators who allow western corporations to devastate and rob the land.
That would be a good start.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1080778 - 11/24/02 12:43 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's true that in the richer countries of the world people are birthing children at a sustainable rate, so the key would be to end hunger and make everyone rich.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Dogomush]
#1080784 - 11/24/02 12:47 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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India doesn't have widespread hunger (aside from hunger caused by not eating any meat) and they have the fastest growing pop in the world.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Xlea321]
#1080823 - 11/24/02 01:07 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Not sure if the population levels are increasing in rich countries.
Many (if not all) 'Western' countries are reproducing at below replacement levels for native born people, most increases in population is these areas are due to immigrant birth rates and immigration.
In reply to:
The first step would be to stop the capitalists raping and devastating Africa so people didn't need to have 10 kids in the hope that one will reach adulthood and be able to provide for them.
This is an ignorant statement. To blame capitalists for excessive birth rates in third world countries is silly. All of the world's problems cannot be laid at the feet of capitalists. Pull your head out of Karl Marx's dead ass and enlighten yourself to the possiblity that there may be many reasons for peoples' plights. If you looked at some statistics, you would find that as societies are more capitalistic and their members become more wealthy, their birth rates decline (see previous comments about 'Western' countries).
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1080825 - 11/24/02 01:08 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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rofl of course the problem will work itself out.... this is what diseases are for - they're going to keep getting trickier, IMO, and keep our population under control.
Either that or we're all gunna DIE OFF!
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1080960 - 11/24/02 01:53 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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gimme a break man, if you gave every family in the world right now an acre of land to farm their own food on, they would all fit in the state of texas. if everybody had a square foot to stand in, they would all fit in L.A.
overpopulation is a myth...60% of all first rate countries don't have a birth rate large enough to replenish their current population due to the extremely large use of birth controls and abortions. i mean shit...their are more and mroe old people these days....people are living longer, and less babies are being born....thus, a smaller, generally older population.
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 Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Evolving]
#1080995 - 11/24/02 02:03 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Many (if not all) 'Western' countries are reproducing at below replacement levels for native born people, most increases in population is these areas are due to immigrant birth rates and immigration.
That's definitely the case up here in Canada....
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Evolving]
#1081244 - 11/24/02 06:24 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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All of the world's problems cannot be laid at the feet of capitalists.
No-one said they could. I stated several facts that are known to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Africa. For every dollar given to Africa in aid they pay $13 in debt repayment.
Incidentally, there's a be nice policy in operation so if you could calm down with the third grade insults that would be cool. Thanks.
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 Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Evolving]
#1081257 - 11/24/02 06:43 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I guess it is settled that in so called "developed" countries the birth rate is sustainable but that it is the third world countries that are causing the population problems.
Hmmmmm.... Well my understanding of the population problem is that it has to do with how much resources are used by each person. Am I right? If resources were infinite there would be no problem with the population increasing.
SO, it does not matter if the third world countries are causing overpopulation. ONE SINGLE person in a developed nation uses WAY more resources than an average person in a third world country! (I don't have the exact numbers right now but I have seen statistics and they are ridiculous!)
So next time you blame those people in "third world" countries remember if you are on a computer and you have a car etc. YOU are using as much resources as a whole shitload of Indians or Africans!
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Xlea321]
#1081262 - 11/24/02 06:53 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alex123 writes:
For every dollar given to Africa in aid they pay $13 in debt repayment.
So seven per cent of the money they receive is an outright gift, and the other ninety-three per cent is in the form of loans which are nominally expected to be repaid some day?
What's your point?
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 Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1081264 - 11/24/02 06:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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"India doesn't have widespread hunger (aside from hunger caused by not eating any meat)"
Have you ever been to India Fcuerkt?
I HAVE been to India. How can you say they do not have hunger probelms?
I fucking saw people lying all along the road dying of hunger. I saw a beggar that had a rope tied around his neck and attached to his hands so he could keep his hands in a begging position without using effort. I have never seen a skinier person in my life. I could see the shape of his intestines through his skin. I would like you to go tell one of these people that there is no hunger problem in India.
Go over to India sometime and walk around a little bit, THEN come back here and tell us a little bit about the hunger problem over there!
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 Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1081290 - 11/24/02 07:39 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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We will spread out into space.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Phred]
#1081331 - 11/24/02 08:44 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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So seven per cent of the money they receive is an outright gift
Often conditional on a lot of crazy "world bank approved" economic conditions. Look at what following "free-market" world bank theories did to Indonesia and you'll have an idea of how catastrophic that is.
and the other ninety-three per cent is in the form of loans
Bearing in mind that the vast majority of these "loans" went straight into the bank balances of western corporations over there via the pockets of corrupt western installed dictators. The people - who never saw any of the money anyway - are the ones left to "pay it back".
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1081827 - 11/24/02 01:28 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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The population problem will sort itself out, I think. It's inevitable.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Revelation]
#1081940 - 11/24/02 02:23 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Define "out of control"
this is a really weird topic dude
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Strumpling]
#1081971 - 11/24/02 02:37 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Too many people...
The earth can't support six billion people. Nearly a third of the population is starving to death. It's an artificial situation that would never usually happen in nature, but then we created agriculture and offset the whole balance. It will even itself out though.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Revelation]
#1082225 - 11/24/02 04:58 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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overpopulation is a myth...60% of all first rate countries don't have a birth rate large enough to replenish their current population due to the extremely large use of birth controls and abortions. i mean shit...their are more and mroe old people these days....people are living longer, and less babies are being born....thus, a smaller, generally older population.
This is false.The average western family produces 2.5 children- That in itself prooves that we grow more than just to replace our parents. Those .5 children grow up and make children of their own. The cycle snowballs until something stops it.
I think we may be able to colonize other planets in our solar system, but probably not before we all die of war.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Murex]
#1082246 - 11/24/02 05:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or tidal waves, earthquakes, flaming balls of rocks falling from the sky, and mercury tainted water.
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 Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1082249 - 11/24/02 05:06 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lets work out this food-air deal!
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: ChubbSubb]
#1082263 - 11/24/02 05:10 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think we will keep breeding 'cracker-spawn'. It seems the stupid breed more than anyone. 
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Murex]
#1082276 - 11/24/02 05:14 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree. Let us try to keep certain people out of the gene pool, such as Adam Sandler and Bush. 
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1082298 - 11/24/02 05:28 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Relax. Nature will take care of everything.
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 Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: ]
#1082325 - 11/24/02 05:48 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everything ends in green. 
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Revelation]
#1082469 - 11/24/02 07:24 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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i still don't understand what that would mean.
How can there be "too many people" too many people for what? its like you said, they die off from hunger, so there aren't "too many" for too long...
Anyway, I agree with whoever quoted Mckenna saying "The world will end in green"
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Strumpling]
#1082531 - 11/24/02 07:54 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, for one, all these people produce a lot of trash. And they take up space, pollute, eat food, drive cars, go to concerts. It's gonna be impossible to get tickets in ten years.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1082561 - 11/24/02 08:10 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha, agreed.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: ChubbSubb]
#1082808 - 11/24/02 09:47 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dissease and all that is allready decreasing due to new medacine. The world population will double in about 30 years.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: ChubbSubb]
#1083103 - 11/24/02 10:59 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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And don't forget Slick Willy! 
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Fcuerkt]
#1083886 - 11/25/02 07:46 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mom's gonna eat us.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Adamist]
#1083892 - 11/25/02 07:49 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mom...please flush it all away
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Xlea321]
#1084411 - 11/25/02 01:18 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to:
I stated several facts that are known to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Africa.
Up to the point of my post you didn't state any facts, only reactionary marxists opinions.
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For every dollar given to Africa in aid...
Government handouts hardly constitute capitalism.
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..they pay $13 in debt repayment.
And they default on their loans. It takes two parties to create a loan transaction. Both parties are responsible. But I do agree with you, U.S. taxpayers should not be underwriting loans to anybody, this goes against the principles of free market capitalism. The lenders should assume full responsiblities for writing bad loans and the government should not force the consequences upon the taxpayers.
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Incidentally, there's a be nice policy in operation so if you could calm down with the third grade insults that would be cool.
As a capitalist who is married to a capitalist, who has a son who is a capitalist and many friends who are capitalists I would like to remind you that the be nice policy applies to your untrue, illogical and inflamatory statement, "The first step would be to stop the capitalists raping and devastating Africa so people didn't need to have 10 kids in the hope that one will reach adulthood and be able to provide for them." African countries are economic basket cases due to their own governments, their lack of well defined property rights and lack of honoring contractual obligations.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Evolving]
#1084498 - 11/25/02 01:44 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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African countries are economic basket cases due to their own governments, their lack of well defined property rights and lack of honoring contractual obligations.
Actually, I feel colonialism played a lot bigger role. They were doing just fine living off the land and what not until "we" (I use the term loosely) came in and forced them from their communally owned lands into privatized individually owned housing, shoved taxes down their throat left, right, and center, and started controlling their food supply while forcing foreign currency upon them.
It's no wonder that they are "economic basket cases" as you put it, since we forced them to become part of a system that they never wanted to be a part of in the first place.
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Re: Population growth out of control! [Re: Insomniac]
#1084528 - 11/25/02 01:52 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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agreed
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