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Dostoyevsky
    #1079439 - 11/23/02 03:31 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Any Dostoyevsky fans here? I have read "The Brothers Karamazov", "Crime and Punishment", and "Notes from Undergound".

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Re: Dostoyevsky [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1081755 - 11/24/02 02:53 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

'Crime and Punishment' will always hold a little soft spot in my heart as my first existential experience. By a wide and wacky road it led me to all sorts of interesting places.


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Re: Dostoyevsky [Re: Discordja]
    #1082312 - 11/24/02 07:35 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

It's weird how Dostoyevsky so thoroughly explored existentialism, but he did not believe in it(he was a Christian).


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Re: Dostoyevsky [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1084401 - 11/25/02 03:13 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

So was Kierkegaard. A lot of the existentialists didn't even consider themselves existentialists, some even resented the label...That's one of the reasons I've always liked existentialism, its such a varied school of thought (if you can even call it that). Nihilism, mysticism, absurdism, they got it all.


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Re: Dostoyevsky [Re: Discordja]
    #1085307 - 11/25/02 08:54 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Dostoyevsky [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #1087321 - 11/26/02 11:56 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

I've always had trouble with Dostoyevsky. Part of it, I believe, is due to his wrtitng style, the other is just the fact that it is translated Ruskie. I've tried to read C&P (not to be confused with CP) about half a dozen times. Each time I've gotten about half way through it and then I've had to put it down. Last time I tried to read it was about 4 years ago, when I was 17...should probably give it another shot. Got any other recomended works?


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Re: Dostoyevsky [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1087359 - 11/26/02 12:25 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

I'd say give it another shot. I've found that there's always a right time for every book. It took me a few years before I could truly enjoy the Illuminatus Trilogy, likewise for the Bronte sisters, Naked Lunch and a host of others that I now consider my all time favorites. Maybe there's a better translation out there. My first time through I had an awful translation from the library. Didn't enjoy it at all.

As Flagg said, Notes from Underground is good. Its shorter than C&P, plus its written in a totally different style. Existentialism in general, Camus is my favorite. Try the Myth of Sisyphus for striaght up philosophy, or The Plague for a good existentialist novel. Kafka is good too, but a leeeetle more esoteric.


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Re: Dostoyevsky [Re: Discordja]
    #1087932 - 11/26/02 04:26 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

I think getting a good translation is the key. I've read "Hunger Artist" by Kafka in two differntly translated versions, one was great, the other was, well...let's just say it wasn't the best way to introduce somebody to Kafka. I am really bad about reading in that, if I am not enjoying the book, I stop reading it. I won't plug through it. I've got some books on my bookshelf that I have started half a handfull of times before I've finished them. I enjoy existentialism, though I am more of a realist. Steinbeck, Salinger and Hemming kind of deal. I'm like that with everything though, movies, books, video games I don't dig the fantasy or sci-fi stuff. Existentialist stuff is always a good read though.


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Re: Dostoyevsky [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1089364 - 11/27/02 01:32 AM (14 years, 14 days ago)

"Crime and Punishment" seems to be his most recognized work, and I thought it was a very good book. But, "The Brothers Karamazov" was in my opinion, so much better.

(The following description will probably get kind of corny)

When I read through "The Brothers Karamazov", I was almost breathless. In this book, Dostoyevsky tackled the most profound questions that Man will ever ask. Such as, "is there right and wrong", "do we have the right to determine our own morality", "do we have the right to reject God", and these are only a tiny amount of the things that he brought up and examined. The book's arguments that Man should be allowed to control his own morality are very compelling (more compelling than any other anti-religious or extistentialist piece ever was), yet at the same time, the book is the most beautiful and resounding argument for the obligation of Man to follow God, that I have ever been exposed to.

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    #1091757 - 11/27/02 07:51 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

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    #1091787 - 11/27/02 08:04 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

Does it have big words?

Hehe. A few, but not too many.

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    #1092784 - 11/28/02 01:49 AM (14 years, 13 days ago)

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