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Soul goes on or are we just worm food?
#1078087 - 11/22/02 09:26 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am just wondering how many of you shroomites think that the your souls continue on in some way or if you just think we die and that's it.
Me personally? Worm food. I hate the idea really but it's about all I am able to....be real w/myself about. I really would rather go on as I kinda like myself at times and would like to explore the universe more but....
I see people die all the time because of the nature of my "job". It is a very real thing for me. It trips me out to watch people realize that they have days to live. I can promise you this, none of them have ever said "Damn, I wish I had made more money"
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078104 - 11/22/02 09:32 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Continue on, into the 4th dimension.
Our bodies will of course, become worm food.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078119 - 11/22/02 09:36 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any answer anyone gives you can never be proven right or wrong. Therefore, most people simply come up with the answer that puts their mind at ease the most and present that as fact. I think you're being realistic. Why would we continue on after death? Just because we hope we do? That alone probably isn't enough to get us there.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1078128 - 11/22/02 09:40 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Opinions, yes opinions, That is what I am after here...
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078131 - 11/22/02 09:41 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't believe in souls.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: xnevermore]
#1078136 - 11/22/02 09:43 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know about souls either but I saw this woman die one time and things got pretty crazy. I felt this swirling about the room best described as a "cosmic tornado". THis went on for 15 seconds or so then came together and shot straight up and was gone. I am not into airy fairy and do not believe in ghosts and such but I did feel this. One remarkable thing about it is that it is a very similar feeling to when a baby is born...
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078137 - 11/22/02 09:45 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is only one soul, and that is love... and that goes on eternally.
Thats my opinion.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078141 - 11/22/02 09:48 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's the opposite for me... I can't imagine how we don't become pure energy... light and sound.. That seems normal to me.. and the thought of our 'souls' dying along with our bodies seems crazy and far-fetched
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078177 - 11/22/02 10:04 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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You see people die all the time (sorry to hear that), but how often do you observe this "swirling"? And what do you mean when you say it is a very similar feeling to when a baby is born? I've never known people to notice this type of thing at birth.
Think about this for a moment: you wanted fellow shroomers to give you an honest opinion on the soul. When the 1st two out of three happened to say "no soul", then you took it upon yourself to make a suggestive argument that there was. Did you really want people's opinions, or were you hoping for reassurance that we're not worm food?
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Grav]
#1078180 - 11/22/02 10:07 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"the thought of our 'souls' dying along with our bodies seems crazy and far-fetched"
I think most of us argued that there is no soul to begin with!
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Grav]
#1078187 - 11/22/02 10:10 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea i gotta stick with Grav on this one!! Since ive been studying KungFu I've been doing Tai Chi and have learned an alot about CHI or Qi, the ENERGY which we produce. I've seen increadable feats, which could only be explainable through the cultivation and harnessing of this energy.. I have NEVER believed in souls or spirits UNTIL i began my martial arts. NOW It only makes sense for us to have this energy if it came initally from a larger source...It has to go somewhere when we die right? (energy neither created nor destroyed) I couldn't tell you how or what this all means but im POSSITIVE we are mearly human-mobiles to be used and discarded, as our pure energy continues on...remains to be seen i guess
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1078191 - 11/22/02 10:13 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was making no suggestive arguments. The story I related was only that. I still don't know what to make of it. I am inclined to think that it was just my head seeing someone die for the first time.
Fat- I too understand the chi thing as I have studied oriental medicine. I also agree that energy just changes form. What I am asking though is if the us we are continues on w/conciousness or is that energy just dispersed back into the universe?
About birth. It was not that swirling thing so much as an energetic thing. THe energy present in the room is very similar. I have been at the birth of 7 live human births now and sort of have an idea of how it is. 4 were my own children and 2 of them I delivered.
I truly want only opinions. In fact, I feel better knowing that I am not the only one who is viewing things from the "worm food" stand point. It is a sucky position and I do wish I believed something else as I am so attatched to my ego....
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1078196 - 11/22/02 10:15 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess you could call this energy the soul, but science often calls it adrenaline.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078201 - 11/22/02 10:18 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fair enough. I was just throwing something out for you to think about.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1078206 - 11/22/02 10:21 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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HuH? Adrenaline?
The only difference between a dead person and a live person scientifically is the lack of measurable energy such as what would manifest on an ECG or EKG. Once the juice quits flowing the little needles quite moving. I work in a very intense and emergency health care setting and when I trip I can't help but deal w/all the human pain I witness. People quit with the small talk when they know they have days left.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078212 - 11/22/02 10:25 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"HuH? Adrenaline?"
The adrenaline comment was in reply to fatnug's post.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1078226 - 11/22/02 10:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes, but from what i've learned adrenaline only seems to hinder the chi. nervousness, doubt, lack of concentration, all seem to have negative effects. Adrenaline is a chemical substance...I've seen healings take place through touch, i've seen and experienced personally the focusing of chi to the point sharp objects WILL NOT pierce the skin. where a man has lain himself shirtlesson top of a sharp spear, his full body weight with no pain or penetration. I've broken multipule blocks of stone using an iron palm technique, when i could not break half as many when nervous, or overly amped up. no adrenaline is mearly a drug such as serotonin. there is much more going on in there than we can imagine my frined
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1078286 - 11/22/02 11:08 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here's an intersting article on the subject:
http://skepdic.com/chikung.html
I'm sure you could find an article that says the opposite, but the main point of the article is that Chi has not yet been proven by a controlled scientific test.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1078323 - 11/22/02 11:19 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen increadable feats, which could only be explainable through the cultivation and harnessing of this energy.
Only explainable by YOU as chi. There is a big difference.
Years of intense PHYSICAL training is necessary to accomplish these feats and are no more nor less amazing than an Olympic gymnast doing a triple somersault fly-away. On the racquetball court, I can hit the ball 120 mph to a target within a 0.5 inch from 35 foot away. Magic or training? To the novice this seems totally impossible.
Notice that no one accesses chi strictly through mental training.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1078536 - 11/23/02 01:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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again comparing apples to oranges...swami what does A have to do with B man for god's sake man,you are truly dense!! im not talking about atheletic abitity here, TENNIS IS NOT QI GONG there is clearly something happening when sharp objects do not pierce flesh. my sifu has healed myself as well as a few other students on various occasions. After a car accident, i had BAD swelling in my elbow, a few days later the swelling was getting worse. My sifu did about a 20-30 minute session with me and the swelling was gone in 2-3 days (as opposed to weeks) the pain nearly left immediatly...i've seen this in various forms on various occasions. Just because the all omipotent Swami has trouble grasping a certain subject, makes it no less real. I have no idea what life exists on the ocean floor, but none the less...there is still life there..
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1078573 - 11/23/02 01:41 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Chi has not yet been proven by a controlled scientific test.
Oh dear, infallable western science has yet to quantify something in a lab setting...IT CAN'T POSSIBLY EXIST!! how could one even begin to measure something like internalized chi? the best we've got is multitueds of personal experiaences, or maybe kirilian photography, which shows supposed "auras"... -remember when people thought cigaretts were harmless...or people thought ADD was caused by red dyes in food,? on and on.. .-I'd hate to think our current scientific community has ALL of the answers, if so we're F'd. Gotta...Go........tosleep
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078588 - 11/23/02 01:50 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Worm food, although I like to entertain the idea of endless spiritual experiences.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Adamist]
#1078655 - 11/23/02 02:22 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm kind of with adamist on this one...
I dunno about love, but there is only one "soul," and we're all tiny "pieces" of it. When one dies, I would assume that at least parts of the "soul" or whatever it is decomposes and gets recycled just like most of the physical body does.
when I die... its all over for the particular arrangement of atoms and whatever our thoughts and "consciousness" are made out of that creates Matt/Strumpling, but those atoms and whatever thoughts and "consciousness" are made out of will certainly have to go somewhere..
-=- Matt/Strumpling -=- our "components" break down and get used by whatever needs them, including consciousness and "souls" or whatever else you can come up with.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Strumpling]
#1078675 - 11/23/02 02:28 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its kinda like the theory of conservation of matter and energy, only with consciousness, or whatever 'immortal' aspect that is incorporated into the physical form. And its not a theory..
The love is essential. Light, love, sound, frequency. Its all there...
Adamist, I love your avatar.
edit: on rereading that, it sounds like I'm stating the idea of 'conserved consciousness' as fact.. I meant that it wasnt a theory in that it literally did not meet the requirements to be considered, by definition, a 'theory'.
Edited by immaculate (11/23/02 02:40 AM)
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1078795 - 11/23/02 03:30 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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-remember when people thought cigaretts were harmless
Ignorance by some in one field, is hardly a valid pointer of the truth in another.
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Edited by Swami (11/23/02 03:33 AM)
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1078803 - 11/23/02 03:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh dear, infallable western science has yet to quantify something in a lab setting...IT CAN'T POSSIBLY EXIST!!
Your words. Your emotionalism is showing.
Using your twisted "logic" if it can't be quantified, it MUST exist! Please see my sig...
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1078844 - 11/23/02 05:04 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Swami honestly your "logic" is absolutly exasperating sometimes, Quote:
Using your twisted "logic" if it can't be quantified, it MUST exist! Please see my sig...
You seem to constantly be spouting the theme that if something CAN'T be lab tested it MUSN"T BE REAL!! The topic asked for oppinions. I gave mine. since it's not completely tangeable, it doesn't pass the Swami test. The point of my logic was NOT to infer that it MUST exist but rather that it should NOT be ruled out simply due to the fact that it cannot be held in your hand, or seen under a microscope. -maybe you should try and take that sig to heart at some point..and Swami,.your egotism is showing!
Quote:
Ignorance by some in one field, is hardly a valid pointer of the truth in another.
-the ignorance is in the same field or community, science. -and Swami if you would only take the time to read what you write man, ignorance of a fact is hardly a valid pointer of the truth...simply because one cannot measure something does not i grant you make it real, but nor should it immediatly dispatch of the theory.....thinking aloud
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1078882 - 11/23/02 05:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Soul...
Is there such a thing? I'm doubting between if there's One Soul (or: no soul, same thing really) or that there's several of them. Today I feel there's only One/None, and that seems to be the direction my theories are headed.
I spend alot of time Seeking. I love it, even tho I know nothing is known for certain: everything is guesswork, nothing more. (Nice paradox, eh?)
Our bodies? Wormfood or fuel for the Fire. But fuck the Flesh: what's going to happen to ME? Lemme say what I feel & leave the mindboggling headache-providing yet fun theory stuff for what it is.
The Universe encompasses everything: matter, energy, space and time, and all of these are interconnected, are all forms of the same energy. Take an Atom: it is ingrained in the fabric of the Universe. Take a Molecule: Same here. Take a bunch of molecules with some structure to it (a rock, your body): Same here. Take the (DNA based? Brain Software? Divine Origin?) Soul: Same story too. Take combinations of forms of energy trough time (you hitting a bong while your GF watches David Letterman): the same applies. What I believe in can be simplified in one simple line:
"Everything that can happen/be WILL happen/be into all Eternity."
This means that all possible lives WILL be your life, every experience to be had WILL happen to you and all this into all Eternity. Anything is everywhere in space: It's TIME that seperates one "Universe"from the other, and to me the Whole of everything equals God(s). We will live on living every life there can possibly be into Infinity.
Needless to say, the Tylenol-truckdriver can find my house blindfolded
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1078918 - 11/23/02 06:24 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im assuming I have a brain in my head.
I know that if I agree that I am my brain; that my personality, memory and what makes me a unique person is encoded in the organisation of my brain. Then I think i'd have to say that if my brain was changed considerably or was all over my floor then i'd no longer have my personality, memory and what makes me a unique person.
But there is still somthing im not satisfied with: If my brain is indeed all over my floor, where does my subjective experience go? Maybe my subjective experience is my immediate, short and long term memory?
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1078929 - 11/23/02 06:46 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Swami honestly your "logic" is absolutly exasperating sometimes, There really is no "Swami Logic", there is only logic.
You seem to constantly be spouting the theme that if something CAN'T be lab tested it MUSN"T BE REAL!! First of all, it is ALWAYS the believer who sticks the word "lab" in a post. Secondly, I never said it could not be real, but that anecdotal information, opinion, feelings, etc. are insufficient reasons to accept something as fact.
...or seen under a microscope. Your words again. You make up a fictitious comment, then feel angst towards it and you call me schizophrenic. Most peculiar.
your egotism is showing! More personality analysis. So typical when one has no logical rebuttal. Everyone reveals themselves in their post - your point?
the ignorance is in the same field or community, science. Neither the poster nor science has said cigarettes are safe to smoke. Again you invent some fiction, then try to shoot it down.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Asante]
#1078949 - 11/23/02 07:12 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Needless to say, the Tylenol-truckdriver can find my house blindfolded
Be sure and tell him that Freak said hello
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Adamist]
#1078952 - 11/23/02 07:13 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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you coulden?t be more right...........
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: David_Scape]
#1079018 - 11/23/02 08:39 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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If my brain is indeed all over my floor, where does my subjective experience go?
It contributes to the expansion of the ever-growing light.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1079030 - 11/23/02 08:52 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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First of all, it is ALWAYS the believer who sticks the word "lab" in a post. Secondly, I never said it could not be real, but that anecdotal information, opinion, feelings, etc. are insufficient reasons to accept something as fact.
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Years of intense PHYSICAL training is necessary to accomplish these feats and are no more nor less amazing than an Olympic gymnast doing a triple somersault fly-away.
Actually you did say that the kind of Chi FatNug is talking about is only the result of years of physical training. You denied that any of the supposed 'chi energy' exists in a person prior to that intense training.
I might just be putting words in your mouth.. but thats just what I attempted to gather from the argument. Man i must be bored.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Grav]
#1079038 - 11/23/02 09:01 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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A girlfriend might help...
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1079055 - 11/23/02 09:15 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"i've seen and experienced personally the focusing of chi to the point sharp objects WILL NOT pierce the skin"
Do you mean "WILL NOT pierce the skin", or do you mean "WILL NOT pierce the skin if applied in a precise manner chosen by the subject?" If you mean the 1st, I'd bet $1,000 that I could pierce the skin of any so called "master" with a sharpened knife without even trying too hard.
"I've broken multipule blocks of stone using an iron palm technique, when i could not break half as many when nervous, or overly amped up"
You might have been tought that you weren't "overly amped up", but I'd bet your body released some adrenaline as you mentally prepared yourself for this task.
"infallable western science has yet to quantify something in a lab setting...IT CAN'T POSSIBLY EXIST!!"
I didn't say that it CAN'T exist. I said it hasn't been proven to exist. Big difference. The real question is if something hasn't yet been proven to exist, how can you possibly KNOW it exists?
"how could one even begin to measure something like internalized chi? the best we've got is multitueds of personal experiaences, or maybe kirilian photography, which shows supposed "auras"..."
The link I posted talks about why it's so easy to believe in something that can't be measured (because it's difficult to disprove).
".-I'd hate to think our current scientific community has ALL of the answers, if so we're F'd."
They clearly don't have all the answers. But if they did, why you you say we're fucked? The opposite would be true. We'd have a cure for every disease, we'd be able to explain everything, etc. Maybe you say we're fucked because it might disprove chi???
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1079065 - 11/23/02 09:21 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now Blue you see what I am up against. The hoardes cling to their superstition as if it were sacred.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1079081 - 11/23/02 09:44 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL - I hear ya. The interesting thing is that the purpose of me coming to these boards isn't to tell everyone they're wrong. My goal is to get people to tell me why they're RIGHT! And to my disappaointment, they can't do it.
Ok, time to go watch the biggest football game of the year (Michigan / Ohio St). GO BLUE!
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1079087 - 11/23/02 09:54 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I here ya my brother. For two years, I have tried to accomodate by coming up with every kind of fair, unbiased test. To date all I have seen is tons of back-peddling and double-speak befitting a lawyer. But have heard lots of g-r-e-a-t anecdotes which is the sum total of substance. But then again, I am just a hard-bitten, angry, disgruntled skeptic.
Even had one so-called shaman from the Ayahuasca board put a black magic spell on me. Other than getting fired, finding my woman in bed with another man and being diagnosed with prostate cancer, nothing bad happened.
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Edited by Swami (11/23/02 07:41 PM)
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1079133 - 11/23/02 10:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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When we die we become *Charleton Heston flashback* Soylent Green!
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1079137 - 11/23/02 10:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great with cream cheese!
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Evolving]
#1079143 - 11/23/02 10:44 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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With chives or garlic?
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1079214 - 11/23/02 11:34 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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There really is no "Swami Logic", there is only logic.
You have yet to use logic yet tho, that's the problem. All we ever hear is "swami logic" which is something entirely different.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Xlea321]
#1079245 - 11/23/02 11:49 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was wondering where my little puppy was. Sit boy and I will give you a little doggy treat. *pat pat*
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1079268 - 11/23/02 11:59 AM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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A girlfriend might help...
Damn straight it would...
oh yea, I win!
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1079271 - 11/23/02 12:01 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't worry swami, i'll be calling you on your bullshit whenever you post.
What was your latest brainfart? "tripping will deplete your serotonin". That was a hoot!
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Xlea321]
#1079282 - 11/23/02 12:06 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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What was your latest brainfart? "tripping will deplete your serotonin". That was a hoot!
Hey Alex, i'm not trying to start and/or continue anything here that doesn't really concern me, however i thought you might find some of the material contained in this link re E(specifically) and serotonin depletion(amongst other things) to be of some interest
http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Prohibition/Drug%20Information/Ecstasy/MDMA%20Neuron%20Depletion%20Notes
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
#1079289 - 11/23/02 12:09 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Er..we're talking about tripping not Ecstasy. Mushrooms work by a completely different mechanism than Ecstasy.
Ok?
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Xlea321]
#1079299 - 11/23/02 12:15 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Er..we're talking about tripping not Ecstasy. Mushrooms work by a completely different mechanism than Ecstasy. i didn't actually see any specific reference to mushrooms in your post, it's of no real concern to me anyway, have a GR8 day
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Xlea321]
#1079486 - 11/23/02 01:57 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"You have yet to use logic yet tho, that's the problem. All we ever hear is "swami logic" which is something entirely different."
I don't understand. Can you give one example where Swami's logic was flawed?
"Don't worry swami, i'll be calling you on your bullshit whenever you post." "
"Calling bullshit" isn't a very effective comeback unless you follow it with "because..."
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FatNug]
#1079501 - 11/23/02 02:06 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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"The point of my logic was NOT to infer that it MUST exist but rather that it should NOT be ruled out simply due to the fact that it cannot be held in your hand, or seen under a microscope."
You have no understanding of what science is. You're more ignorany of science than swami is of chi.
Science won't necessarily be able to let you see or feel chi. Science will be able to tell you if what is happening is the result of some invisible magical force, or simply self deception caused by wishful thinking.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1079508 - 11/23/02 02:07 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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So who won the football game Blue? i have remembrances of (then) coach Woody Hayes of the ohio state.....um.......Buckeyes(sorry but i used to be rather rude in dem ole daze ) punching an opposing player as he ran down the sidelines in a playoff/championship game.......btw, do they still award those little buckeye stickers to be placed on a player's helmet for every astounding play they make? Just wonderin'
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Phluck]
#1079509 - 11/23/02 02:07 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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For anyone who thinks science is flawed, here is a good explanation of what scientific testing means: http://www.skepdic.com/control.html
Oh, and by the way, there is no possible way anyone can know what happens when you die.
-------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Phluck]
#1079562 - 11/23/02 02:30 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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FUCK i just spent 20 minutes replying, and i fucked it all up...Bah, maybe ill do it again later, like any of you care -Swami read my posts I NEVER called you schizophrenic...I said that not everyone in this forum is.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
#1079569 - 11/23/02 02:33 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ya, Ohio St won 14-9 and was FINALLY was able to keep an undefeated season alive thanks to a Michigan turnover near the end of the game. As you may know, Michigan spoiled EVERY undefeated season for Ohio St since 1979 (spoiling perfect seasons in 1993, 1995, and 1996). Since 1986, Michigan also kept Ohio St out of the Rose bowl five times (in 1986, 1990, 1993, 1995, and 1996), and even beat them the one year they made it in (1996).
It's about time Ohio St fans can celebrate. They've been in misery for nearly a quarter century. Now they're off to the national championship game on Jan 3. May the best team win.
Oh ya, and yes they do still stick those silly marijuana leafs on their helmets.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: GoBlue!]
#1079587 - 11/23/02 02:40 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey there Blue, thanks for responding....best of luck on Jan 3rd, gotta love dem Wolverines A quarter of a century eh?(canadian dialect) Try being a Minnesota viking fan over that time period hehe go F.......um..........buckeyes go!!!!!
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: upupup]
#1079728 - 11/23/02 03:52 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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When my body dies it will become worm food. My essence will continue to exist and perceive. Anybody who disagrees or tries to argue my opinion with logic will probably experience an eternity of nothingness, void of emotion when they die, because that is what they believe in. Personaly, Id rather continue to exist and learn than to cease to exist all together. I will become one with the eternal light and love.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: postanaldrip]
#1079884 - 11/23/02 05:23 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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To every subject there are multiple points of view. To use joy as an example: you won't know what the totality of the term 'joy' means unless you have experienced it yourself, but it can also be conveyed through music, plastic arts, poetry, proze, etc. Furthermore, it can be described and explained by the exact sciences and the social sciences. Now, on the subject of the soul: I believe our bodies rot away (but then again, they don't disappear, because they're recycled). I don't believe in what most people would call a 'soul': I don't believe in our conscious personality migrating from host body to host body. I believe our consciousness exists on a different level than our material body. That level is, to me, a form of 'finer' energies - energies we can't detect yet. Auras and Qi (if they exist) would fall under the collective term finer energies. Our brain is the instrument that links our body to this finer energy. Interaction is possible in both directions, the mind can manipulate the body and the body can influence the mind, because the two 'dimensions' overlap. The 'soul' doesn't perish, but it doesn't keep existing, it needs the body (which doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist without the body). At least, that's how I see it.
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Edited by Alan Stone (11/23/02 05:28 PM)
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Phluck]
#1080145 - 11/23/02 07:48 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have no understanding of what science is. You're more ignorany of science than swami is of chi.
Progress! I am no longer at the bottom of the barrel.
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Swami]
#1080178 - 11/23/02 08:05 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dunno about love, but there is only one "soul," and we're all tiny "pieces" of it. When one dies, I would assume that at least parts of the "soul" or whatever it is decomposes and gets recycled just like most of the physical body does.
I believe we are fragments of a larger soul as well.
Could this be proof of something?
-------------------- What if everything around you Isn't quite as it seems? What if all the world you think you know, Is an elaborate dream? And if you look at your reflection, Is it all you want it to be?
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Murex]
#1080185 - 11/23/02 08:08 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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ah now I see why you didn't know I was talking to you in that other thread - you don't click "reply" next to the correct person!
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Re: Soul goes on or are we just worm food? [Re: Strumpling]
#1080213 - 11/23/02 08:19 PM (21 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- What if everything around you Isn't quite as it seems? What if all the world you think you know, Is an elaborate dream? And if you look at your reflection, Is it all you want it to be?
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